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[JosephDucreux]

itzLWM wrote...
I would blast Legion to a million tiny pieces.

[BentOrgy]

To be fair, I'd probably blast him anyway; a traitor in the middle of a war is one of the last things I'd need. Keeping Tali as a romance would be a bonus at that point.

[The Elder King]

BentOrgy wrote...

To be fair, I'd probably blast him anyway; a traitor in the middle of a war is one of the last things I'd need. Keeping Tali as a romance would be a bonus at that point.

Where do you read that Legion is a traitor?

[DiegoProgMetal]

The geth are just toys created by quarians. Being a computer programmer that likes to deal with AI myself, I can say that even if they look/sound/act like real living beings, they are just a really well programmed software. They aren't even capable of much if there is only one program at a time. Legion is more than 1 thousand processes running. But, even if we took the same situation for our real lifes, having to choose between the life of the girl you love (and loves you too) or the life of one friend, I would kill my friend right away. No, I'm not kidding.

Back to Tali: I really hope BioWare shows her face, as I said a thousand times here on BSN. The thing Grunt said about Quarians being "not so soft" only makes my curiosity meter go sky high.
Yeah, her feets are weird... But, I remember when Bioware made that fanart competition, they used one with an unmasked Tali that looked very human. I guess they are going for the "Protheans pollinated our ancestors in various planets across the Milky Way, and that's why there are similarities between species that evolved so distant, like Asari being basicaly blue female humans, hence Quarians are also similar to humans". This is only my guess.

And there is no way Bioware will make something that will let everyone happy. If they show her face, those who dont care about her wont give a damn, and between those who want to see her face, there will surely be some that wont like it, cause some want her to be more "human like" (me) and some want her to be completely alien, with all the range between those 2. I have no problem if Tali doesn't look as human as I'd like, as long as she is not some kind of disgusting creature, or reptilian, or avian, or whatever "thing" that would make her not possible to stare without pukeing... If they don't show her face, those who don't care would still not give a damn, and those who want to see her face would be very frustrated.

I believe (another guess) that more people would be annoyed by not knowing her face, than by not liking what is shown. Either way, some will get annoyed. I really hope it's not me.

Modifié par DiegoProgMetal, 05 janvier 2012 - 02:04 .

[pizu]

I'll be honest here. Tali wears a mask, she has weird feet and she's not really good in combat, but... I've always liked Tali. It's her insecure and sincere personality that makes her such a lovable character. She was the second female character I romanced in the game and it was totally worth it. She's really adorable and unique. So, yes, I'd like to see her again and if possible see her face as well.

[exelsis]

pizu wrote...

I'll be honest here. Tali wears a mask, she has weird feet and she's not really good in combat, but... I've always liked Tali. It's her insecure and sincere personality that makes her such a lovable character. She was the second female character I romanced in the game and it was totally worth it. She's really adorable and unique. So, yes, I'd like to see her again and if possible see her face as well.

I don't even...

[pizu]

exelsis wrote...
I don't even...

Yes?

[exelsis]

Tali is one of the most useful squad members, and THE best for missions where all enemies are synthetic. Maybe you just don't use her right/have good synergy the way you play, but for me she is godlike. Geth plasma shotgun + heavy energy drain = wrecking ball.

[BentOrgy]

hhh89 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

To be fair, I'd probably blast him anyway; a traitor in the middle of a war is one of the last things I'd need. Keeping Tali as a romance would be a bonus at that point.

Where do you read that Legion is a traitor?

It was in response to da hizz nizz's question. So to answer, nowhere. He's quite the opposite in fact.

[AVPen]

pizu wrote...

exelsis wrote...
I don't even...

Yes?

He's refering to your comment that Tali isn't really good in combat, which is frankly flat-out wrong as far as I and others who use her during missions are concerned.

exelsis wrote...

Tali is one of the most useful squad members, and THE best for missions where all enemies are synthetic. Maybe you just don't use her right/have good synergy the way you play, but for me she is godlike. Geth plasma shotgun + heavy energy drain = wrecking ball.

^ This. (though I prefer having Area Energy Drain on her, lol)

Modifié par AVPen, 05 janvier 2012 - 05:34 .

[BentOrgy]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

I guess they are going for the "Protheans pollinated our ancestors in various planets across the Milky Way, and that's why there are similarities between species that evolved so distant, like Asari being basicaly blue female humans, hence Quarians are also similar to humans".
.

I'm probably the only one, but did anyone else get a Macross vibe from this? Its a little like how the Protoculture made the Zentradi, then humans.

Which I always loved; it was an interesting way to explain why there are both humans, and monkeys still running around.

[pizu]

Take it easy, boys. I'm not insulting your one and only... I was just, you know, sharing my thoughts. I may be wrong, who knows, it's just what I think and it's not like I said that she's bad in combat; I said that she's not the best. That's all.

[Ruthac_Arus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

AVPen wrote...

pizu wrote...

exelsis wrote...
I don't even...

Yes?

He's refering to your comment that Tali isn't really good in combat, which is frankly flat-out wrong as far as I and others who use her are concerned.

He probably hasn't downloaded the Geth Plasma Shotgun.

How I love that thing.

Yeah, the GPS ups her lethality and survivability a LOT, being less likely to suicidally charge at enemies. As for my experience with her combat prowess in ME2... her powers are more situational than is perfect, but when I need her to drop a drone down at a critical moment, she always comes through. Saved my Infiltrator-Shep more times than I'd like to remember. Took her along for all missions for a full run of ME2 once, discovered plenty of ways she's useful in combat.

[Unschuld]

DiegoProgMetal wrote...

The geth are just toys created by quarians. Being a computer programmer that likes to deal with AI myself, I can say that even if they look/sound/act like real living beings, they are just a really well programmed software. They aren't even capable of much if there is only one program at a time. Legion is more than 1 thousand processes running. But, even if we took the same situation for our real lifes, having to choose between the life of the girl you love (and loves you too) or the life of one friend, I would kill my friend right away. No, I'm not kidding.

 


Eh, I'd still say this really really really depends on the context. I think if I was just told one day to flat-out murder my best friend in cold blood for no reason, I would keep the best friend and get a new girlfriend. Of course, that situation changes entirely if the best friend turned out to be up to something dastardly. I'm sure in game if Tali were to ever ask for the elimination of Legion, there would be a damn good reason, not just "or I won't love you Shepard" or "you can't touch my boob until you do". 
 Legion is "just a machine" but still. The whole reason for his inclusion in the story is to bring out a certain gray area where the idea of what meets the definition life/sentience resides. To me, the geth are a curiosity in that they are synthetic, but have life-like behavior and *maybe* are developing emotions. All in all though, they're still synthetic to me and I'll almost always side with another organic, but it's enough to give me pause. 

DiegoProgMetal wrote... 
Back to Tali: I really hope BioWare shows her face, as I said a thousand times here on BSN. The thing Grunt said about Quarians being "not so soft" only makes my curiosity meter go sky high.
Yeah, her feets are weird... But, I remember when Bioware made that fanart competition, they used one with an unmasked Tali that looked very human. I guess they are going for the "Protheans pollinated our ancestors in various planets across the Milky Way, and that's why there are similarities between species that evolved so distant, like Asari being basicaly blue female humans, hence Quarians are also similar to humans". This is only my guess. 

 

You know what? This would please me, probably better than the other options. I had a hunch about it since ME1 when you find the prothean artifact that starts the whole text sequence about them experimenting on cavemen. I guess I forgot about it. It would certainly help more in explaining why almost every race in Mass Effect is bipedal and human shaped (from a lore perspective, not the developers' because they used humans for skeletal animation). Every time I hear a "not alien enough!" arguement I get the urge to facepalm since every race in the game has essentially been the computer animation version of a Star Trek human-in-a-suit. And yeah, no matter what it ends up being people will be upset. I'm pretty sure Bioware has been juggling the possibilities since the ME1 release when people started to get curious, and is trying to pick the option that pisses off the least amount of people (they hope) at this point.

What fanart competition are we talking about, anyway? Now I'm curious, was the winning idea you talk of the one where tali was drawn with skin flaps stretched back from her face and into her hair, or "bathtub Tali"?

[Someone With Mass]

She'll be better in ME3 too, when the Talon pistol becomes available and other shotguns with their weapon mods.

I wonder what her new power is, though the script hints at a power called Decoy, which spawns smaller drones that hovers around the user and only attacks enemies that gets within a certain range.

[pizu]

Someone With Mass wrote...

She'll be better in ME3 too, when the Talon pistol becomes available and other shotguns with their weapon mods.

I wonder what her new power is, though the script hints at a power called Decoy, which spawns smaller drones that hovers around the user and only attacks enemies that gets within a certain range.

Interesting. Will every charcter get a new ability?

[AVPen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

She'll be better in ME3 too, when the Talon pistol becomes available and other shotguns with their weapon mods.

I wonder what her new power is, though the script hints at a power called Decoy, which spawns smaller drones that hovers around the user and only attacks enemies that gets within a certain range.

Couldn't her ME3 version of Energy Drain now damage armor and barriers, or am I thinking of a different power/character's ability?

[Someone With Mass]

pizu wrote...

Interesting. Will every charcter get a new ability?

Looks that way.

Garrus will get proximity mines as well as his loyalty power, AP ammo.

Same thing with Tali. She gets a new power and Energy Drain.

Her passive power seems to favor stronger shields and shorter recharge time as well. She can even give the whole squad a tech boost that lowers the cooldown of all the tech powers.

[Someone With Mass]

AVPen wrote...

Couldn't her ME3 version of Energy Drain now damage armor and barriers, or am I thinking of a different power/character's ability?

Not armor, only shields and barriers. It seems to be able to be evolved so it gives a slight armor boost, though.

[Unschuld]

Someone With Mass wrote...

She'll be better in ME3 too, when the Talon pistol becomes available and other shotguns with their weapon mods.

I wonder what her new power is, though the script hints at a power called Decoy, which spawns smaller drones that hovers around the user and only attacks enemies that gets within a certain range.

But, if she's better in combat in ME3, that'll just mean that Bioware is catering even moar to Tali fans!

I dunno, I found just about all the squad members in ME2 were extremely skilled in the art of wading out into the middle of a group of enemies and getting mown down in a hail of gunfire, leaving me to pick up the tab. In ME1, I had no problems at all once explosive bullets became available. Garrus  had them in the spectre sniper rifle and Tali had them in the spectre shotgun. After that, they never died. The ultimate kill squad, that was.

[pizu]

Someone With Mass wrote...

pizu wrote...

Interesting. Will every charcter get a new ability?

Looks that way.

Garrus will get proximity mines as well as his loyalty power, AP ammo.

Same thing with Tali. She gets a new power and Energy Drain.

Her passive power seems to favor stronger shields and shorter recharge time as well. She can even give the whole squad a tech boost that lowers the cooldown of all the tech powers.

Souns good. Stronger shields are always a good thing and the tech boost sounds great.

[Someone With Mass]

Unschuld wrote...

But, if she's better in combat in ME3, that'll just mean that Bioware is catering even moar to Tali fans!

I dunno, I found just about all the squad members in ME2 were extremely skilled in the art of wading out into the middle of a group of enemies and getting mown down in a hail of gunfire, leaving me to pick up the tab. In ME1, I had no problems at all once explosive bullets became available. Garrus  had them in the spectre sniper rifle and Tali had them in the spectre shotgun. After that, they never died. The ultimate kill squad, that was.

That would probably depend on the fact that the ME2 squad was nothing but blank sheets of identical paper until you put some points in their passives.

[S.A.K]

Sounds like they are making Tali a lot more useful this time around. Should give the hates something to think about.

[Unschuld]

Someone With Mass wrote...

That would probably depend on the fact that the ME2 squad was nothing but blank sheets of identical paper until you put some points in their passives.

I made sure to allocate all the points. I think my issue was more with the squadmate AI, which looks like it might be vastly improved in ME3 (one case in point being that .gif you posted of Liara ambushing a shield troop and shooting through the viewport).

S.A.K wrote...

Sounds like they are making Tali a lot more useful this time around. Should give the hates something to think about.

As if they didn't have enough "ammunition" already. I swear, the Character X is getting more attention than my favorite character therefor I hate your character and you  arguements are some of the most retarded things I've ever seen on a forum.