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PseudoEthnic wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I really think bioware has done a horrible job with marketing, just compare it to ME2's, we got a trailer for EVERY squad memer.

ME2 marketing spoiled WAY too much. Also, we didn't get a trailer for every squad member.

I wasn't around when ME2 was getting release so I honestly can't comment on it's marketing spoiling the game for players, but in my opinion, the marketing for ME3 has been god-awful in just how LITTLE BioWare has given up until this point (essentually going off in the opposite extreme of showing too much). If it wasn't for the leaked beta and the info from the leaked script, I'd be far more concerned and nervious over the state of ME3 right now :?.... instead of being quite excited and optimistic for it, like I am. :lol:

Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

whos hoping to see tali in the demo?:happy:

Would be totally awesome, but I'm not getting my hopes up..... more likely, we'll be getting the standard "Garrus/Liara" duo that we've been seeing since Forever.

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Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

im really considering writing a fanfic of shepard and tali... but ikd if i should. i get writers block way too easliy, and the only thing that helps is illegal for now. but everyone who reads what i write (when im trying to write) says im amazing at it. SO im asking you, fellow talimancers, should i attempt the monstrous feat?

Do it.

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To everyone who's complaining about marketing: I am so, SO glad it's nothing like ME2, and I'm personally just as hyped if not more hyped because of the lack of info we've gotten. I've never been so hyped about any other game period. Even so, because of the leak it's still been impossible to avoid spoilers entirely with people posting them all over the forums and the internet in general. I'm not criticizing people like SWM etc for doing this, but the people who've been posting without tags and warnings.

Yeah, i think the admiral thing is a bit odd, even if it is just a political figurehead title. It's kinda like they couldn't think of any other official position title to give Tali, lol.

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No shit, Spectre status and Quarian admiral status are two very different things. You could not have missed the point more if you were aiming in the wrong direction and the point was in another country altogether. It does not matter what position it was the Shepard was offered. The circumstances surrounding the offer and what the offer really means is what matters.


No, YOU missed the point.

It is not the same because Shepard WAS A SPECTRE and they merely agreed to restore his title under certain conditions.

This is not the case for Tali. She was never an Admiral she was just an officer of unspecified but not especially high rank. At least nothing approach "Captain" or "Admiral" or anything close.

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Spartanburger wrote...

No shit, Spectre status and Quarian admiral status are two very different things. You could not have missed the point more if you were aiming in the wrong direction and the point was in another country altogether. It does not matter what position it was the Shepard was offered. The circumstances surrounding the offer and what the offer really means is what matters.


No, YOU missed the point.

It is not the same because Shepard WAS A SPECTRE and they merely agreed to restore his title under certain conditions.

This is not the case for Tali. She was never an Admiral she was just an officer of unspecified but not especially high rank. At least nothing approach "Captain" or "Admiral" or anything close.




you are missing the point, its not the rank given that is important is that its only done as a political ploy. In shepard's case reinstated as a political ploy (do avoid bad pr at not supporting the savior of the citadel) and tali (a popular indiviudal in the flotilla and renowed geth specialist) raised to admiral as a political ploy to raise support to the actions of the admiralty board in me3 (regardless of what tali thinks of it). Its not speculation is what its said in the script by pretty much everybody in regard to her rank if not exiled.

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Tali's an icon to her people (Provided you didn't blow her trial.) and a very capable person, thrown in the fact that, like others have said, she herself admits that the title is "In name only,"  and the previously mentioned politics that are probably involved, and I really don't see that big of a problem here. The Admiralty probably just threw her the title so that she could get things done faster, because with things like the geth and the reapers, time is very important.

Its not like Shepard's trial being held on Earth; which still severely irritates me.

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BentOrgy wrote...


Its not like Shepard's trial being held on Earth; which still severely irritates me.


Because he's being prosecuted by the Alliance military which he still belongs to, and what better place than Earth, I guess?

As for Tali, I'm really curious as to how they're going to make that little reunion with Shep go, and possibly (hopefully) explain what happened to her between Shepard being hauled off in cuffs and the reaper invasion, from her perspective.

No direct spoilers though, please!

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Unschuld wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...


Its not like Shepard's trial being held on Earth; which still severely irritates me.


Because he's being prosecuted by the Alliance military which he still belongs to, and what better place than Earth, I guess?


The Alliance is its own Sovereign Nation, and as such has its own government, which is headquatered at Arcturus Station; which is where he/she should have been tried. Not to mention the fact that not al Sheps are Earth Born. That, and provided you reinstated yourself, as a Spectre, you don't answer to the Alliance anymore anyway, so it really makes no sense.

But... Tali.... Yush.... Mmm.... :wub:

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Weird thing is, I don't recall what prerequisites there are for being an Admiral- don't think they were ever stated. If they were, please feel free to correct the statements I'm making below.

Going by the Admiralty Board as of ME2, I don't think they're Captains. The Admirals never stated they were, or necessarily implied it. And Zaal'koris vas Qwib Qwib talks about the possibility transferring to another vessel. Given how valued and hard to come by ships are in the Fleet, somehow I doubt another Captain would just give up their ship, even for an Admiral. A given ship belongs to a Captain, and they work hard to maintain and improve the position of that ship within the Fleet.

The Admiralty Board, as the name implies and Tali states, is military, overseeing matters pertaining to the defense and survival of the Fleet, while the Conclave decides day-to-day matters. Also plainly stated. So to get on the Admiralty Board, it must be important that a candidate be knowledgeable about military matters, defense of the fleet, and so on- their very survival. Which Tali is, when the Fleet returns to Rannoch, given they expect to fight the geth.

Out of all living quarians (with the possible exception of Xen, though in different areas), Tali is almost certainly the most knowledgeable about the geth- fought *many* of them, as well as studied them hands-on (not to mention potentially interacted at length with Legion, a unique experience offering special insight). Additionally, Tali received exceptional training in military, cultural, combat, and scientific skills on her father's orders, recognized in the Fleet as truly remarkable. Yet as we've seen, she's really not squad leader material, miscalculating how well ground troops would do when conversing with Kal on the Rayya, and being unable to keep her squad in line on Freedom's Progress.

So Tali as an Admiral... she doesn't need to be a Captain to be an Admiral (the fact they were even thinking of making her one in the second game implies this too). Nor necessarily even have a huge force of personality, be used to commanding large groups, given that she wouldn't need to be a Captain. Which is probably to the liking of the other Admirals: she can greatly add to the discussion on the geth and other scientific matters, help them make informed decisions in the war above and on Rannoch, yet is not likely to have the force of personality necessary to turn the tide on their decision-making, try to throw around orders and the like.

It would also help unite the quarians, after the debacle of her trial. It's an olive branch thrown out, one the general quarian public can get behind, given they know Tali by reputation ("the pride of the fleet") and her father's name, rather than personally, her actual skills and shortcomings. A Fleet undivided by political squabbling will have a much higher chance of success in however they decide to handle... whatever happens in ME3.

Plenty of political and practical reasons for why Tali would be made an Admiral... in the short term at least. An emergency posting, basically. Weirdly, this parallels her usefulness in Shepard's squad for away missions too. Put her up against the geth, and she shines. Otherwise, her effectiveness is reduced. That's basically what the quarians look to be doing in ME3, just on a different playing field.

And again I've typed way too much, but perhaps not enough. :?
(please pardon any typos or unusual phrases- I'm in a bit of a hurry at the moment, no time for a full proofreading)

Modifié par Ruthac_Arus, 09 janvier 2012 - 06:01 .


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BentOrgy wrote...

The Alliance is its own Sovereign Nation, and as such has its own government, which is headquatered at Arcturus Station; which is where he/she should have been tried. Not to mention the fact that not al Sheps are Earth Born. That, and provided you reinstated yourself, as a Spectre, you don't answer to the Alliance anymore anyway, so it really makes no sense.

But... Tali.... Yush.... Mmm.... :wub:


I know... but... :?  the reapers needed the lead in for a big entrance.

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Is it really that hard to just accept that they were looking for a replacement for Tali's father and Tali happened to be available at the time and if she's exiled she's merely an adviser?

I really don't see the big deal there. Especially when she said herself that she'll quit when it's over. Among other things that makes me think that she does not intend on keeping the admiral title for long.
It's just a perk with the job, nothing more.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 09 janvier 2012 - 07:06 .


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Someone With Mass wrote...

Is it really that hard to just accept


Apparently.

Oh! And how do I upload pictures?

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Without the stars.

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Let's see then... BWAHA! It worked, thanks.

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This is a fanart of Kal; one with hair. Please Bioware, look how sexy he is? :wub:

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Is it really that hard to just accept that they were looking for a replacement for Tali's father and Tali happened to be available at the time and if she's exiled she's merely an adviser?

I really don't see the big deal there. Especially when she said herself that she'll quit when it's over. Among other things that makes me think that she does not intend on keeping the admiral title for long.
It's just a perk with the job, nothing more.


im I SERIOUSLy the ONLY person who talked to tali in mass1?..

it is usually expected/tradition in quarian culture for an admiral's son or daughter to take his place.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

Is it really that hard to just accept that they were looking for a replacement for Tali's father and Tali happened to be available at the time and if she's exiled she's merely an adviser?

Its still a stupid idea. You don't make someone a leader because they were related to the former and had some useful information unless you are in North Korea.

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im I SERIOUSLy the ONLY person who talked to tali in mass1?..

it is usually expected/tradition in quarian culture for an admiral's son or daughter to take his place.


That, and it was foreshadowed something fierce in ME2.

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Tali will NEVER become an Admiral for the fleet, as that would mean she would have to leave the Normandy crew and stay on the 'Fleet permanently. Two reasons why it will never happen.

1.) Bioware would face a **** STORM of fans of her character and Talimancers alike.

2.) They've already confirmed her as a permanent squad mate.

Unless I'm being thick skulled and she could be an Admiral and still stay with Shepard, I'm pretty sure it won't happen. Only reason it was forshadowed in ME2, in my opinion, is because they were thinking of making her a temp/non squadmate in ME3, an idea they quickly realized would be a BIG, BIG mistake for them in the long run.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

im I SERIOUSLy the ONLY person who talked to tali in mass1?..

it is usually expected/tradition in quarian culture for an admiral's son or daughter to take his place.

Exactly. The game pretty much tells us she is going to become an Admiral.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

im I SERIOUSLy the ONLY person who talked to tali in mass1?..

it is usually expected/tradition in quarian culture for an admiral's son or daughter to take his place.


Hello everyone, first post on the BSN. I've been lurking these forums for ages and decided that it's finally time to contribute to the discussions :)

No, she actually said that it's unlikely for her to become an admiral in Mass Effect 1. Her being the daughter of an admiral has nothing to do with it. It's her knowledge about the geth that is the reason for her becoming an "admiral" so to speak.

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First. Tali may have been given the imbecilic title of Admiral BUT that does not put her automatically on the Admiralty Board. That, as we learn from Tali, is made up of the 5 TOP (senior) Admirals in the Migrant Fleet. Tali, in no way fits this and any military organization that would advance such a junior member in that military to one of such stature would cause me to question the mentality OF that organization.

Second. Again, Tali herself says "No, it doesn't work like that." in regards to her being royalty. Great things WERE expected of her on her pilgrimage but that is all. There is no path from son/daughter of an Admiral to being one themselves. It is through their own abilities and not by birthright.

Third. At best, Tali should have been moved to an Admirals staff. A figure the Admiral could hold up to their people showing that they were not entering an endeavor blindly (such as war). Tali would have fit the consultant bill just fine but making her an Admiral really, really, really irks this ex-Navy guy to no end.

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This is how leadership succession works among Quarians:

1. My daddy is an Admiral.
2. People notice me.
3. Therefore, I am qualified.

Admiral Tali, it will be my pleasure to have you watch the demise of your species, in the orbit of your filthy little homeworld.

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Guys - Tali being an Admiral a political farce just like her trail... its not serious. She'll have no kind of sway,power or pull. Its a shame, a smoke mirrors game used to drum up support for retaking the homeworld in a foolish head on offensive... nothing more.

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Ticktank wrote...

This is how leadership succession works among Quarians:

1. My daddy is an Admiral.
2. People notice me.
3. Therefore, I am qualified.

Admiral Tali, it will be my pleasure to have you watch the demise of your species, in the orbit of your filthy little homeworld.


I used to think Shepard was an idiot for asking her if she was royalty in ME1 but it turns out I was wrong.

Now I'm expecting the FCW to be revealed to have really been another genophage......

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Tali is qualified in not being qualified to lead. Over the past 2 games, there has been no example, no instance where she demonstrated herself to have any leadership capabilities of any kind.