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[AVPen]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
Well, to be fair, it's not like Tali ends up having the deciding vote anyway.

True. They can still pull rank, but I think it's not really that important how she and Shepard can affect the outcome with mere titles, anyway.

She's there, she matters. It's good.

Haters gonna hate.

Posted this same image in another thread, but it seemed relevant here as well. 

[Unschuld]

dam dem tim fans b hella rude tbh

[BatmanPWNS]

New page, new picture.

Modifié par BatmanPWNS, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .

[Runescapeguy9]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

New page, new picture.

That's not a new picture. Not even close.

Modifié par Runescapeguy9, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:04 .

[Spartanburger]

Nor is it a new page...

[nitefyre410]

Troodon80 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...
Is it really that hard to just accept [...]

SWM, I am surprised at you asking a question like that. Even the codex can't be accepted by some. Debating about whether or not this should be accepted is a little pointless, some people will argue regardless of how much logic you bring into it.

Someone With Mass wrote...
I really don't see the big deal there. Especially when she said herself that she'll quit when it's over. Among other things that makes me think that she does not intend on keeping the admiral title for long.
It's just a perk with the job, nothing more.

I know I've said it before, way-back-when, but I could see this happening; Tali becoming an admiral. To call what she says in ME2 foreshadowing is a bit of an understatement. However illogical it may seem to some that's the direction, and it is plausible since it was mentioned in ME2.

Plausible does not equal logical, however.

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Its still a stupid idea. You don't make someone a leader because they were related to the former and had some useful information unless you are in North Korea.

It may not be the most logical choice to some, but think of it this way:

People on both sides want different things; one side wants war, the other wants peace.

Now, you take into consideration how many "friends" (acquaintances or allies) she still has on the fleet, including both Han and Shala (assuming you didn't get her exiled), and neither Daro nor Zaal actually hate her.

Now, consider what the trial was all about, in reality. It was a farce, a political ploy, to further their own particular agendas at that time.

It is my opinion, when taking this into account, that Tali can be used as a banner, a figurehead, for political reasons among the other admirals. This, as I said, is not always for logical reasons, but it still happens. If I am honest, comparing it to North Korea is a bit over the top, I think.

Tali is not necessarily being promoted because she was the daughter of an admiral, though that likely does have something/quite a bit to do with it, she could simply be promoted due to others pushing for it. As it was said in ME2, some people were putting her name forward. Who better to have as a political ploy, advisor, or figurehead, than the person "who knows more about the geth than any other quarian alive."

 


See the Panda gets it.. 

She not being made an Admiral because any qualification  - its a potlical move to  drum up support for what most of the Admirals wanted and who better to run out there then the daughter of  Rael.  Who tragical lost her father  to the Geth. Oh part of me can wait to see how that  whole mess was spun.

[Pottumuusi]

Yes, they probably could have found someone else more experienced for the job, but it's not like she is totally incompetent.

Seriously, everyone's suspension of disbelief should be able to handle this. If not, well, tough ****.

And mabey she went to like... I dunno, war college or something between the games.
(That is a joke)

[HellBovine]

Saphra Deden wrote...
She wan'ts the homeworld but doesn't want war.
She doesn't want peace.
She doesn't want to control the geth.
So what does she want? She's useless.

She does want peace.
*spoiler



She and Legion try to convince the other admirals of geth peace but loses the vote at 3-2. With only Koris supporting her.

Modifié par HellBovine, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:11 .

[Eyerock]

 Sooo...

Are people pissed because Tali doesn't deserve being appointed to admiral, or that the admirality board doesn't deserve Tali?

Or is this one of those lore things again;)?

[NuclearBuddha]

Eyerock wrote...

 Sooo...

Are people pissed because Tali doesn't deserve being appointed to admiral, or that the admirality board doesn't deserve Tali?

Or is this one of those lore things again;)?

In the past, the dislike for the idea was based on the prediction that if she was promoted to admiral, she wouldn't have time for Shepard.

(according to the leaks this doesn't appear to be the case, so the dislike remaining is reflexive at this point)

[Kid Buu]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Eyerock wrote...

 Sooo...

Are people pissed because Tali doesn't deserve being appointed to admiral, or that the admirality board doesn't deserve Tali?

Tali doesn't deserve to be an Admiral but the very fact that they'd consider making her one of them is proof that the Admiralty board sucks and is incompetent so in that sense they do deserve eachother, yes.

Daro Xen is on the admiral board however.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes, it is hard to accept. There are
some 18 million quarians on the Migrant Fleet and they couldn't find
another high ranking officer to bump up a rank?

Considering that those 17 million quarians mostly consists of ship captains and all those ships are mostly civilian ships, I doubt that they have that kind of luxury.

Saphra Deden wrote... 
Not to mention that Kal'Reegar has an educated and mature position on the war where as Tali has no useful position. 

She wan'ts the homeworld but doesn't want war.

She doesn't want peace.

She doesn't want to control the geth.

So what does she want? She's useless.

Oh no, she's not another warmonger who's not out to get her entire race killed in a huge war and is one of the few that wants to solve the whole thing peacefully if there's such a chance. What's wrong with her? Starting a war with the geth when the Reapers are on their doorstep must be the most logical thing to do.

And Kal'Reegar? Really? His best answer would be to shoot everything. As he said. He just shoots things.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

She's there, she matters. It's good.

No, it's bad.

Oh, now I may have to kill her too.

That's just sad.

Modifié par Someone With Mass, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:55 .

[Unschuld]

in be4 "Xen iz zomg genius awesum charikter tali sux".


edit: Dammit!

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:43 .

[HellBovine]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Daro Xen is on the admiral board however.

...and very out of place. One day soon she'll rise far above them and put them in their place.

Hahahaha, yeaa.... I don't think that is quite how it will turn out.

[Nashiktal]

Eyerock wrote...

 Sooo...

Are people pissed because Tali doesn't deserve being appointed to admiral, or that the admirality board doesn't deserve Tali?

Or is this one of those lore things again;)?

For me its because tali doesn't deserve to be an admiral, or more accurately she is not experienced enough to be an admiral. Which doesn't matter because it seems tali's admiralty status is in name only, she really doesn't do much an admiral would actually do.

Which makes me wonder why they don't just make her an advisor or something even if she isn't exiled. She doesn't do anything an admiral does as far as I am aware.

Ah well. Bioware doesn't have the best track record when it comes to anything military anyways.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 09 janvier 2012 - 08:50 .

[Troodon80]

nitefyre410 wrote...
See the Panda gets it..

I would like to think that logic will prevail in most circumstances... though logic doesn't always make one right. Nor is it widely accepted amongst quite a few BSNers, it would seem.

Saphra Deden wrote...
Yes, it is hard to accept. There are some 18 million quarians on the Migrant Fleet and they couldn't find another high ranking officer to bump up a rank?

Approximately 17 million - but how many of those have left an impression, such as someone shouting down the very admirals who sought to use Tali's trial as a political ploy?

Tell us, Saphra, how many other quarians were at the Citidel, serving alongside Shepard, when Sovereign was destroyed?

In a time when all knowledge about the Reapers is essential, and few know much about them other than those who served with Shepard, that narrows down the list of choices by quite a large margin.

Saphra Deden wrote...
She wan'ts the homeworld but doesn't want war.

She doesn't want peace.

She doesn't want to control the geth.

So what does she want? She's useless.

She does want the homeworld, but she also doesn't see war as the option. She doesn't see Daro's plan as a viable option in any sense of the word, either. I would say, that currently, she is unsure. It was also noted that Shala was "on the fence," too. Meaning, obviously, that she is also quite useless. Only for the fact that she is a simple NPC rather than a squad mate, so it is expected and accepted.

Saphra Deden wrote...
No, it's bad.

She is in the game, which is good by anyone's reckoning, regardless of her title.

Saphra Deden wrote...
Oh, now I may have to kill her too.

You have said that quite a few times, Saphra, perhaps you could say something new for a change?

[mauro2222]

It's like Shep Spectre status in ME2, not real, just some crappy title.

[Nashiktal]

I disagree about not being any other quarian for the job Troodon, bioware is excellent and at creating characters and it could have been a great opportunity to flesh out the quarians more without giving tali such a confusing title.

Just because she was at the citadel does not maker her admiral material. During the battle she was either fighting a ground war with the geth, or keeping the engines warm on the normandy. One would even explain how she got assigned for special missions on the fleet, none give her any sort of political or fleetwise combat experience.

Which is why I strongly prefer her to be called an advisor, and from the sounds of it getting tali exiled is the best rout to go.

[Spartanburger]

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mauro2222 wrote...

It's like Shep Spectre status in ME2, not real, just some crappy title.

FINALLY. Someone who gets it.

[mauro2222]

Spartanburger wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

It's like Shep Spectre status in ME2, not real, just some crappy title.

FINALLY. Someone who gets it.

But...but, I've saying this since it was announced

Everyone ignores me