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#11951
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Unschuld wrote...

My main goal throughout my time living in Japan was not to end up in a Japanese prison.


Hopefully my words convey humor, and don't offend...

Interesting to find out you're from Japan though. I had a wonderful time living on Okinawa, though I guess it's not exactly the same as living on the main island. Unfortunately I don't think I could ever live there, only visit. Now that I have a tattoo, I'd be sad if I were to live there but be forever barred from entering a bathhouse/hotspring because of my markings.


Back on topic though...
Yeah, the trial of Tali as a whole wasn't even that realistic. I mean come on, that speech at the end refuting any evidence and acquittal of charges? Um... my advice though is to increase your suspension of disbelief.


You know what's ironic? I've never been to Okinawa before. :lol: But I don't think you would have needed to worry; most officers are fairly lenient with most foreigners. Its trying to fit in that can be a hassle; like trying to get a drivers license, or a house. Sad but true.

But yes, Tali.... Poor, mistreated Tali; good thing Shepard's space jesus, and can solve anything with enough paragon points. :P

EDIT: And about the poll; I'm just happy that ME1's squad seems to be the most popular.

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Unschuld wrote...

I think I've seen that, and it seems really nicely done (better than most fan-made armor). I'd really like to know how they made the light synch to voice though. The engineer in me always likes to think of possibilities for fabricating compact circuitry for things like that, or voice modulators that add effects like vibrato and flanging to the users voice.


I'm the lucky lady who gets to wear it. ;) I ordered a sound activated el-wire kit from http://www.thatscoolwire.com and we tucked the battery pack into my hood to hide it!

Modifié par MarqueAZ, 10 janvier 2012 - 06:49 .


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As a note Saphra, some European countries (IE: The "enlightened West") still follow Napoleonic Code of Law stating guilty until proven innocent (France, Italy, etc). So don't be a bigot.

On topic, Tali is awesome and I am excited about seeing her role in ME3.

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MarqueAZ wrote...

Tali'Zorah's helmet by Allen Amis. :) The mouth light is sound reactive like Tali's, too!

Interesting. Must have taken a long time to build.

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Muaddib195 wrote...

As a note Saphra, some European countries (IE: The "enlightened West") still follow Napoleonic Code of Law stating guilty until proven innocent (France, Italy, etc). So don't be a bigot.

Nope, they do not.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Interesting. Must have taken a long time to build.


Lots of stress! Over 4 months, on and off, he'd never worked with a helmet like this before. He put so much work into this version that he can't wait to take what he learned and make a second one already. :)

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MarqueAZ wrote...

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Interesting. Must have taken a long time to build.


Lots of stress! Over 4 months, on and off, he'd never worked with a helmet like this before. He put so much work into this version that he can't wait to take what he learned and make a second one already. :)


Well color me impressed. That's one piece of work there. =]

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Saphra Deden wrote...
I think the truth is you'll defend anything Bioware does, especially with Tali, because you have no spine.

And this is a clear sign that you have no idea what you are talking about. I have made it quite clear that I do not agree with everything BioWare does. Nothing could be farther from the truth.

And again with the baseless insults? Never change, Saphra, we love you just the way you are :).

Saphra Deden wrote...

It's more like... firing her. Actually it's for her benefit. Same reason I'm going to kill Ashley and Mordin. I'd rather Tali die and not have her character tainted by such horrible writing than to force her to exist. It's a sign of respect.

So, a mercy killing? You would rather kill the character than adapt to a small change that, as I have already said, was all but actually guaranteed from ME2? It is this one's opinion that you just not play the game. That will ensure you stay happy and not have to bother adapting to change or having to kill her.

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If Tali's position is just PR then who the hell is in charge of Rael'Zorah's former responsibilities?

Same person as it was just after Rael died. i.e. no one.

I don't see why Tali couldn't take some basic duties and responsibilities, but actually leading and making huge decisions are pretty much out of the question. Aside from the fact that no one admiral can make a decision that affects the entire fleet.

MarqueAZ wrote...

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Tali'Zorah's helmet by Allen Amis. :) The mouth light is sound reactive like Tali's, too!

That looks beautiful. Very nicely made. My only critique with it would be that the visor separates from the rest of the helmet, leaving the cables that connect air or chemicals as a separate piece (the bulk of the helmet). Other than that, and I'm sure that could be explained (new type of helmet, etc.), it looks very good.

Modifié par Troodon80, 10 janvier 2012 - 08:02 .


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It is never said outright, but it is fairly obvious. He is the only one inherently invested in the trial, and the one who pushes for both the stripping of her ship-name and her exile. He also attempts to declare her exiled regardless of whether or not she survives the retaking of the Alerai. Shala and Han would not attempt to charge her without proof and Daro has no desire to dismiss Rael's research. The only member of the admiralty who has an agenda in this is Zaal.


I have to agree. Zaal seems to be only one, who had any real agenda with this trial, which is ultimately showing showing that war against the Geth is not wise and that people should favor peaceful option. Now you could ask how exiling Tali would help with this goal? Well I see it like this.

Tali, being daughter of Rael Zorah, who is well known for his stand to take back the homeworld and even by force. And if this wasn't bad enough, then Koris found out that Rael must have even tested some weapons or something against the Geth as they took over the Alarei. Now this of course is really bad for Koris political agenda as if Rael would have found something useful against the Geth, then war would have been more likely.

What comes to Alarei and blowing/taking it back, well I think that Koris would have wanted to destroy Alarei right away, but I don't think he wanted to do that right away. After all every ship are valuable for Quarians and if there were any way to get it back, then it should be attempted. Also attempting to saving the ship and failing did work in favor for Koris as it clearly showed how uneffective Quarian forces are against the Geth. I mean if best of Quarian marines lost in few quite newly build Geth, then how can they believe they could beat the battle hardened Geth, which where behind Perseus Veil?

So, I would say that this attempt to save Alarei and then failing at it was something that Koris wanted to use in favor for his political aganda. However it seems that it was not enough as it only showed how dangerous the Geth are. But Rael'Zorah was still quite popular character amongst the fleet and Koris couldn't outright attack against him as it wouldn't have worked. No, he would have needed to disgrace him and his image in order to further his own agenda. And Koris got perfect opportunity to do this "disgracing" via by using Rael's daughter and the fact that she had been sending Geth parts back to the fleet. To make it force, she did that because Real had asked/ordered it. This gave Koris opportunity to show how Real didn't really care about the fleets safety and how this whole war supporting would endanger to whole fleet. Anyway because of this, Koris had now a way and facts to discredit Real and his ideas. But Koris still needed to best possible way to make his case, so that he could get widest possible support for his aganda. And he find his way in this public trial for Tali. 

Now putting Tali on public trial was best way to advance Koris goals as in this case everyone on the fleet would know of this trial and after stating the facts  during this trial everyone would hear how Real'Zorah and his ideas had endangered the whole fleet. And this attempt is quite masterfully done as every attempt Koris makes during the trial support this. 1. Using Tali to discredit Real. 2. Then stipping Tali from her ship name. 3. Clear attempt to get widest possible reaction from public by using stating that Geth had over take Alarei only after they had talked about Tali sending Geth parts back and that she had said they were totally harmless. Now only thing that Koris didn't see was that Shep as Tali's defence councillor. Of course he did attempt to discredit Shep and his/hers precence on the trial, but as we know, it didn't work. However it's possible that he had believed that Shep wouldn't know how to defend Tali and he/she being human wouldn't get much support from other Quarians, so Koris might have thought that this was for his benefit.

But if Koris wanted to discredit Rael and use Tali to do that, then why he wanted to give Tali permisson to try and take Alarei back. Wouldn't this work against him and his goals? Now I believe that it would have worked against him. However in this case he was pressured from other Admirals (namely Shala and Gerrel) and he was forced to comply with it. There are two things, which supports this. First is that when Gerrel mentions that if Tali dies on Alarei, Admirals would posthumously pardon her. Koris was against this. Second one was after the Alarei mission as you clearly hear be enteting the court room than Koris is wants to continue the trial and declare Tali and Shep death, which of course would work for his favor. So, Koris tried his every possible way to discredit Tali and throught her Rael during the public trial, which failed as it now seems that no matter if you gave or kept the Alarei evidence, it's what leads to this whole Geth/Quarian war in ME3 as Quarians new weaponry was based on that data. 

Anyway, like I tried to state in this small book, Koris really seemed to have his own agenda in this trial and I wouldn't be at all surprised if he would have been behind it.

#11961
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I never bothered to really read the leaks, just a few bits, cause they were too disconnected and sometimes senseless. But since some nice people did the work of finding and joining the pieces together, there is one thing I can say now: I like how the romance with Tali will roll. Now I just hope she shows her face. She does it and ME will take the first place from Half-Life series as my favourite game ever.
I know it's out of the discussion that is going on here, but I think this thing about "should Tali be admiral or not" too boring. My opinion is: I don't fu***ng care. Tali will be with Shepard 'till the end and that's all that matters to me.

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...
I know it's out of the discussion that is going on here, but I think this thing about "should Tali be admiral or not" too boring. My opinion is: I don't fu***ng care. Tali will be with Shepard 'till the end and that's all that matters to me.

I don't think I could have said it better. Well, actually I probably could have, but you said what most are thinking. There's only one or two people truly invested in this topic, to the point of killing the given character, even. As long as Tali's in the game, and not altered beyond recognition, I think most people are at least content.

Also, I like your signature. Eager, are we?

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Troodon80 wrote...

...snip...

Also, I like your signature. Eager, are we?


Dude, I pre-ordered the game in june 30 last year... More than six months now. As the release date gets near, the expectations go sky high. It's like when you really need to take a leak/dump and you're going to your home. While you're in your way it feels like you can hold for a long time, but when you finally get home, finding the keys and opening the door feels like centuries! :D

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kind of hoping they show tali's face, cuz is a lose end

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So, what does everyone think? Will we be able to recruit/help Tali right after the Citadel or will we be forced to follow a script? IE: krogan/salarian first then asari....

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DiegoProgMetal wrote...
I know it's out of the discussion that is going on here, but I think this thing about "should Tali be admiral or not" too boring. My opinion is: I don't fu***ng care. Tali will be with Shepard 'till the end and that's all that matters to me.


Yeah, Tali admiral or not doesn't really matter at the end, if things go like in leak script.

Also it seems that BW hadn't really thought this matter either. I mean it seems that they just wanted to make Tali easily recruitable character in ME3 or why else they would have make even exiled Tali being in the fleet, when Shep arrives there? Only thing they seemed to want to do is making Tali position a slighty different, so it would seems that players decision in previous game would matter somehow.

Anyway, I just really happy that we have change to have Tali back in our crew.

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Calinstel wrote...

So, what does everyone think? Will we be able to recruit/help Tali right after the Citadel or will we be forced to follow a script? IE: krogan/salarian first then asari....


Well I think that the order of character recruite would be something like this.

Earth
Mars
Citadel
Something to do with Turians, so that we got Garrus.
Sur'Kesh
Then Tali and Geth/Quarian issue.
(Or then you can choose where you go after Citadel visit).

Anyway I thin that we could get Tali quite early in the game.

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Calinstel wrote...

So, what does everyone think? Will we be able to recruit/help Tali right after the Citadel or will we be forced to follow a script? IE: krogan/salarian first then asari....

Hope tells me that she'll be available near the start, as with most 'permanent' squad mates. Logic, on the other hand, which always gets in the way of things, tells me that it will be similar to ME2; where you recruit her near the end.

I'd like to hold on to my hope...

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kind of hoping they show tali's face, cuz is a lose end

The closer it gets to the release of ME3, the more I think it is not going to happen. One can always hope, though.

There's nothing that specifically mentions her removing the visor in the script. I expect that there's a particular scene where she could remove it, I'm sure there's people who know which one I'm talking about :). But there's no reaction from Shepard about Tali removing her visor in a non-sterile environment (or anywhere else, for that matter). Plus, I think her removing her visor anywhere other than in a relatively clean environment, like the ship, would be going against everything that has already been said in ME2. As much as people complain about the whole "Tali should have died instantly as soon as fresh got past her visor" thing, it is going to be a lot worse if they do it anywhere than in the Normandy, or in a cleanroom.

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PhantomSpectre wrote...

Calinstel wrote...

So, what does everyone think? Will we be able to recruit/help Tali right after the Citadel or will we be forced to follow a script? IE: krogan/salarian first then asari....


Well I think that the order of character recruite would be something like this.

Earth
Mars
Citadel
Something to do with Turians, so that we got Garrus.
Sur'Kesh
Then Tali and Geth/Quarian issue.
(Or then you can choose where you go after Citadel visit).

Anyway I thin that we could get Tali quite early in the game.


im probably gonna get my hopes diminished, but im hopin we can see tali in the demo, idc if its in party, or just a cutscene that would be what i need to keep on truckin to march 6th

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I'm going to try avoiding the demo. It probably won't work.

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I hope that I can pick the quarian/geth conflict as soon as I'm off the Citadel.

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Someone With Mass wrote...

I hope that I can pick the quarian/geth conflict as soon as I'm off the Citadel.


Hmh.

Go there or get Prothy first.


Tough decision.


Liara: But Thessia is getting des...

SHUT UP!
I'm trying to make had decision. We'll have road trip to Thessia later.

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Troodon80 wrote...

There's nothing that specifically mentions her removing the visor in the script. I expect that there's a particular scene where she could remove it, I'm sure there's people who know which one I'm talking about :). But there's no reaction from Shepard about Tali removing her visor in a non-sterile environment (or anywhere else, for that matter). Plus, I think her removing her visor anywhere other than in a relatively clean environment, like the ship, would be going against everything that has already been said in ME2. As much as people complain about the whole "Tali should have died instantly as soon as fresh got past her visor" thing, it is going to be a lot worse if they do it anywhere than in the Normandy, or in a cleanroom.

Judging from a few of the dialogues between the two (especially the "My system has adapted, no more negative reaction to you anymore" line), it does sorta suggest that there is maybe a few times or at least once where Tali's speaking to Shepard without her visor. ^_^

As for when we might be able to recruit her, I do hope that we can pick up squadmates by personal choice and not through pre-scripted events (always hated that Tali, Thane, etc., couldn't be recruited till after Horizon in ME2, but that was due to the limitations/size constrants of XBox 360 discs at the time, so hopefully they've changed it around for ME3).

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AVPen wrote...

As for when we might be able to recruit her, I do hope that we can pick up squadmates by personal choice and not through pre-scripted events (always hated that Tali, Thane, etc., couldn't be recruited till after Horizon in ME2, but that was due to the limitations/size constrants of XBox 360 discs at the time, so hopefully they've changed it around for ME3).

You can always use gibbed save editor to recruit her earlier. :whistle:

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Well, they have more space to work with and improved compression methods, so space shouldn't be much of a problem this time.