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[Demonique]

Tali seems to have a mean streak in her some times, she's definately not 'the Mass Effect version of Fluttershy' as some people seem to think she is.
Case in point the 'I have a shotgun' conversation with Garrus in ME2, she snapped at Udina when he referred to her as 'The Quarian' and if she's with you for 'like a Quarian with a tummy ache' line on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Though I can't see her going as far as this


epantiras.deviantart.com/

[Troodon80]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well you're either a drone or your just have very poor taste.

I think you will find that I am not a drone nor do I have poor taste. In fact, I would go so far as to say I have very high standards when it comes to character development. Some of my opinions, as well as the debates, can be remembered by the other users here, I'm sure. And not all are going to agree with them. At least I didn't throw insults around, and tried to defend an opinion until it got nowhere.

I'm like a dog with a bone panda with a bamboo shoot...?

Saphra Deden wrote...

There is no need for Tali to be made an Admiral. The game even acknowledges this because in some scenarios she is, surprise-surprise, not an Admiral.

So it's just some kind of weird "reward" on Bioware's part.

True, there is no need, they could have someone else do it.

But then again, people would be complaining that the game wasn't going the way they wanted, since Tali's decision will likely be based on something Shepard does; Tali trusts Shepard, after all. If she wasn't an admiral, that choice either wouldn't be given to you, or it would seem unrealistic that a choice affecting the entire fleet is being granted to Shepard by some unknown quarian we've only met once, or not even once.

But, as I already said, I don't understand why some people are so invested in this. If the title is so meaningless, why not just ignore it? Perhaps if you gave a sound and rational opinion rather than throwing around insults about people having a lack of taste or being a drone, I could actually understand where you're coming from. So, how about it, are we going to do the same song and dance as yesterday and day before that, or are you going to be civil?

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yes I would. It's a way of preserving the character as I knew them. Of-course it's also possible I won't even play the game. That's a little up in the air right now.

I can somewhat understand that, as a video game aspect it's easy to do and not feel particularly bad, provided you're not a truly invested fan at heart (most thoroughly engrossed Tali fans like that probably wouldn't be able to live with themselves if she died (I know I ALT+TABed out of the game and closed the process in the Task Manager when I found out Tali had died in my first run, I made a note that it would never happen again, since it only happens through carelessness)), though I still find it too extreme.

S.A.K wrote...

Not this sh*t again! Didn't we have enough of that arguement yesterday?

I prefer not to see it as an argument. It's more of a debate, really... or at least for me...

Truth be told, though, I would prefer a more civil debate...

[Troodon80]

Demonique wrote

Tali seems to have a mean streak in her some times, she's definately not 'the Mass Effect version of Fluttershy' as some people seem to think she is.
Case in point the 'I have a shotgun' conversation with Garrus in ME2, she snapped at Udina when he referred to her as 'The Quarian' and if she's with you for 'like a Quarian with a tummy ache' line on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Though I can't see her going as far as this

*snip*

epantiras.deviantart.com/

And I now have the same expression as Shepard(?) in that picture.

[Demonique]

Troodon80 wrote...

Demonique wrote

Tali seems to have a mean streak in her some times, she's definately not 'the Mass Effect version of Fluttershy' as some people seem to think she is.
Case in point the 'I have a shotgun' conversation with Garrus in ME2, she snapped at Udina when he referred to her as 'The Quarian' and if she's with you for 'like a Quarian with a tummy ache' line on Mordin's loyalty mission.
Though I can't see her going as far as this

*snip*

epantiras.deviantart.com/

And I now have the same expression as Shepard(?) in that picture.

You mean a nose bleed because you're turned on?

I'm not sure if Wrex is naked in that picture because for that parody comic the artist draws his armour like he's wearing skin-tight lycra

[Troodon80]

Demonique wrote...

You mean a nose bleed because you're turned on?

I'm not sure if Wrex is naked in that picture because for that parody comic the artist draws his armour like he's wearing skin-tight lycra

No, I mean the facial expression; eyes slightly widened and mouth partially open. It's gone now, though. It's just the first time I think I've really seen it. Not sure I want to see the other pieces of the comic...

... But... curiosity compels...

[Unschuld]

Calinstel wrote...

*snip* 

I'm not saying it's the best option, but it would have been a better option to myself.  As I stated, now, the way things are playing out, we have to cram 2 to 3 games worth of material into a single one.

I see what you're saying, I just don't see it as a possibility unfortunately (just from my understanding by trying to get inside the heads of the devs, not the fact that it won't be happening). As for a promised ME2-ME3 bridge, I never remember anything like that, but then again I haven't been active at all on these forums since a couple days after the ME2 release. I guess in that sense, Arrival is a really short bridge. LotSB was essentially one too. My guess is that if there ever was any plan to implement more game content between the two games, they decided that it was better to concentrate more effort into making a single product, and figured that by instead releasing text updates (CDN) and comics they could get the same effect.

Calinstel wrote... 
And, for the record, as a Navy vet, my irritation with Tali being an Admiral has to do with my background.  It is stupid to put such a junior (officer?) into that position for any reason.

Yeah, or for me its also 29 year old Lieutenant Commanders, Lieutenants gaining 4 O ranks in the span of just over 2 years (or transitioning 5 ranks from E to O), bearded pilots within limping distance of a sink and a razor, and the CO of a ship leading point in every ground operation. I just keep pumping air into my ever-inflating bubble of suspension of disbelief.

[Unschuld]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This is relevant.

Leave it to Monty Python to have already created BSN decades ago.

No one expects the Quarian TIMish BSNquisition!
                       more relevant^

Modifié par Unschuld, 11 janvier 2012 - 05:25 .

[AVPen]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I have honestly have no clue where I'm going to go first in this game. I'm guessing Earth won't be an option as a first priority, rather the end goal, so I'll probably try to hit Palaven and then Rannoch first if possible. Unfortunately Thessia is at the bottom of my list.

Pretty much my plan as well (sorry Liara  )... plus if Thessia actually falls during my playthrough, at least I'll have a good dialogue exchange between Shepard and Tali in compensation.

Well if you believe leak script, then Liara's recruit have nothing to do with Thessia.

Not sure why exactly you felt the need to bold that part, but yes, I've read the leaked script and yes, I am well aware that Liara's recruitment has nothing to do with Thessia.... I was refering to her reaction if Thessia falls to the Reapers. 


Anyway, back to Tali (and my favorite piece of Shepard/Tali fanart):

Modifié par AVPen, 11 janvier 2012 - 05:20 .

[Troodon80]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This is relevant.

I laughed. Monty Python had it figured out even back then.

Also:



It's good, but... it's still missing that third toe (just kidding in this case).

[Unschuld]

Troodon80 wrote...

Also:

*pic snip*

It's good, but... it's still missing that third toe (just kidding in this case).

Best TotP Tali pic ever. :happy:

[Zkyire]

Jesus Christ, every time I come back to these forums and think about posting in this thread there's a bloody argument about nothing going on.

[Troodon80]

Saphra Deden wrote...
I've given you all three. You either see a rational opinion and understand it or you don't. You can't get passed the attacks on your character. Are your feelings that easily hurt?

Ah ha ha ha. /sarcastic laugh.

I couldn't care less what you say about me. But, what I have been trying to ... politely point out, although you fail to see it (remarkable since you're a genius), are the rules.

So let me just post this, and not make another reply:

People are going to have differing opinions, both good and bad about a character. Respect the opinions of the other posters. Argue the topic, not each other. If you feel the person is only being contradictory to get a rise out of others, this qualifies as trolling and you can send a PM to a moderator letting them know.

Now, if you want to act like a wilful little troll, then fine. The only reason why I engaged you in the first place is because I know you are not actually (as hard as that might be to believe for some) a troll .

But all I got was a blunt insult about having no taste, not exaclty a great "rational opinion." I mean, I understand why, somewhat, you think the way you do, but if you were to be ever-so-slightly less demeaning to others, it would get across much better. So, carry on with that. I thrive off your wilful ignorance.

Now, I'll just quote this bit again, just for some clarity in case a moderator should happen to see this:

Saphra Deden wrote...
You can't get passed the attacks on your character. Are your feelings that easily hurt?

The answer is no, friend .

Saphra Deden wrote...

My experience with you so far as indicated you are just a rabid Tali fan and as long as Tali is in the game you are happy. In fact you've said this. You'll support anything Bioware does with Tali as long as she gets more screen time, I'm sure.

I'm happy so long as she is in the game. To be honest, I don't care how you see that or my opinion. I know not everyone is going to agree on everything . And, personally, I never said it was the right choice for BioWare to make Tali an admiral, only that I could see it coming. You are the one arguing black is white over this whole issue. I haven't even given a proper personal opinion on BioWare's choice to make her an admiral.

As I have already said, we all know (as in it is guaranteed) that she is getting a decent role in the game, how good or bad it is beyond a title that you argue so adamantly over to the point of killing that character has yet to actually be seen. So I am deliberately not acting like a rabid fan demanding that BioWare do more.


Also, Calinstel, I think you might be proud of my smilie usage .


Now, as far as Tali related content goes for my post, I'll just clarify where I stand on her being an admiral.

As far as her becoming an admiral, I think it's a bad choice. She is only young, and it is extremely unlikely to happen in real life (but then again, this is not real life, this is a game). I don't oppose the idea strongly, though, as in demand that BioWare change it because, and I quote, "it's meaningless and unnecessary, so I hate it." I am prepared to go with it, more to do with the fact that she, herself, says she's too young and that the position is basically meaningless (if you're going to hate everything in life that is meaningless, then that's a lot of hatred). But also because she suggests that it is a possibility in ME2.

Now, as I have said before, possibility and plausibility do not equal logical. But I'm prepared to accept that this is a time of war, so urgent decisions need to be made. This is not a casual rising-through-the-ranks moment. This is war. Not like Iraq, not like WW1 or 2, I mean... intergalactic.

Also, four people on a board can easily be deadlocked and never come to an agreement, an odd number is always better. In this case, why not bring in someone who actually knows something about the enemy? Now... the way I see it, as an advisory position, she has no real power to make any choice, only, you know, give advice.

If it were come to a point where you could trust someone like Tali to make a choice by your own (Shepard's) making, or have some random NPC (who likely won't get a proper back story because their sole purpose is to make a single decision) make a choice for you; my question is which would you all prefer?

This is all hypothetical, of course, I'm basically being as hyperbolic as others. People need to stop looking at this as a title or position, since both positions are likely going to be interchangeable to cut down the time making it. e.g. "Hey, Shepard, I'm an admiral." or "Hey, Shepard, I'm an advisor." The titles themselves are likely going to be as meaningless as the Spectre status was in the case of Lia'Vael. i.e. "You're going to turn in a Spectre?" or "You're going to turn in the (?) Hero of the Citadel?"

Were it to actually mean anything more than a couple of interchangeable lines of dialogue (and none of us currently have anything other than speculation to go by), then yes, I would say it is a bad choice, and that BioWare shouldn't do it.

Now, Saphra, go ahead and rip is all apart, commenting only on the pieces you know you can, and then say that I have no taste or whatever other insult you can think of.

Modifié par Troodon80, 11 janvier 2012 - 07:38 .

[Troodon80]

Unschuld wrote...

Best TotP Tali pic ever.

Oddly enough, that's exactly what I was thinking. It's certainly... different from the usual.

Zkyire wrote...

Jesus Christ, every time I come back to these forums and think about posting in this thread there's a bloody argument about nothing going on.

It's a reasonably calm debate by other standards .

[jamesp81]

Troodon80 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This is relevant.

I laughed. Monty Python had it figured out even back then.

Also:



It's good, but... it's still missing that third toe (just kidding in this case).

There are a number of extraordinarily horrible comments I could make about this.  I shall refrain.

[Troodon80]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Should've been here the other week; this thread got trolled hard.

Yep, I know. I generally make a habit of purposefully staying away when the thread is actually getting trolled .

jamesp81 wrote...

There are a number of extraordinarily horrible comments I could make about this. I shall refrain.

Ha. I know full well .

[jamesp81]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Troodon80 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Jesus Christ, every time I come back to these forums and think about posting in this thread there's a bloody argument about nothing going on.

It's a reasonably calm debate by other standards .

Should've been here the other week; this thread got trolled hard.

Not to engage in any one-upmanship, but what passes for trolling and general misbehavior around here isn't really all that bad, relatively speaking.

[jamesp81]

Troodon80 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Should've been here the other week; this thread got trolled hard.

Yep, I know. I generally make a habit of purposefully staying away when the thread is actually getting trolled .

jamesp81 wrote...

There are a number of extraordinarily horrible comments I could make about this. I shall refrain.

Ha. I know full well .

I didn't try to think of those things.  They just...popped into my head.  I couldn't help myself.  It's not my fault:(

[Unschuld]

Troodon80, remember the phases I told you about. Additionally, without sustenance, it starves and goes into a torpor.