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[Troodon80]

jamesp81 wrote...

Not to engage in any one-upmanship, but what passes for trolling and general misbehavior around here isn't really all that bad, relatively speaking.

Very true. But compared to any other "civilised" discussion forums, this place is like it has no rules. Compared to the fact that everyone is supposed to be over 16+ to play Mass Effect depending on what country you come from, it seems very juvenile at times. ¬-¬

But enough about the thread, I have civil post to reply to .

Saphra Deden wrote...

My opinion is that Tali being an Admiral isn't necessary. As proof of this I pointed out that some imports, where she was exiled, do not have the Admirals make Tali an Admiral too. So therefore none of your reasoning for why the Admirals would need to make her an Admiral to fulfill their needs hold true. This is why your argument doesn't hold up.

If you agree that it is a bad choice then why do you defend it?

And I never said it was necessary to actually make her an admiral, so I think there's a miscommunication somewhere along the line. The only thing I'm defending is that it is plausible (which I have said numerous times, and also stated that "plausible" does not equal "right," "correct," or "logical"), and, well, people shouldn't just jump a bandwagon based on a few lines of -almost certainly- interchangeable dialogue.

Contrary to your apparently belief, I am not defending BioWare's choice to actually make her an admiral, only (as I have said numerous times, too) that ever since it was mentioned in ME2, I have had a feeling BioWare would take this route. However, not that they are correct to do so, I just can't be bothered to argue that they change it, since the scene where she has it and then she doesn't is going to last all of about, what, 1 hour? And, on the downside, if they do remove it, they are just going to give her the exact same advisory position that she would have if she was exiled? Where is diversity in choices there? What's the point in even making tough choices, everyone may as well just go for upper right or upper left for every single scene in ME2, since it's going to go to the exact same place.

I don't like linear games. I like it when my choices have some meaning in a game like Mass Effect. Both pros and cons. If I were to make the choice in what things are made during the development of this game, I would say give Tali an advisory position for anyone who didn't get her exiled. For those that do get her exiled, you just don't get help from either the quarian or geth. Hence you feel what you've done in the previous game has some meaning. In this case it would severely hinder your progress, so you would have to go elsewhere to find allies.

But, I am not in charge of development, and if I was I'd would quite likely make a complete and total mess of it . And to be honest I think BioWare has handled this the best way they could. There's already numerous fans complaining about how things (models and environments) are re-textured and reused so often throughout every level. Imagine if every character had identical roles regardless of your choice.

[Troodon80]

Unschuld wrote...

Troodon80, remember the phases I told you about. Additionally, without sustenance, it starves and goes into a torpor.

It's fine. I'm enjoying it, somewhat, as long as people are civil. If it goes to phase 2( or 3, then I'm out.

[hand-o_death547]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

jamesp81 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Troodon80 wrote...

Zkyire wrote...

Jesus Christ, every time I come back to these forums and think about posting in this thread there's a bloody argument about nothing going on.

It's a reasonably calm debate by other standards .

Should've been here the other week; this thread got trolled hard.

Not to engage in any one-upmanship, but what passes for trolling and general misbehavior around here isn't really all that bad, relatively speaking.

Trust me, if you saw the pages I'm speaking of (too lazy to find them now), you would understand what I'm talking about. It was bad.

Edit: I guess I wasn't too lazy after all. Read at your own risk... http://social.biowar...dex/7625998/439

Haha that stuff is worse than the socom and bf3 (which are extremely trolled) forums combined.  Seems like this thread is a free for all.

[Troodon80]

Saphra Deden wrote...
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!

You're playing the wrong game, kid.

So, again, rather give me an opinion as to how the game is linear, you take an offensive stance.

*Sigh*

You're not a fast learner, kid. (You want to act like a juvenile, you'll be treated as one.)

Saphra Deden wrote...

Why not? You can be bothered to argue that they don't change it.

I'm pretty sure you didn't even read most of my post, so I'll just copy and paste, just for you, because we all love you .

Troodon80 wrote...

And, on the downside, if they do remove it, they are just going to give her the exact same advisory position that she would have if she was exiled? Where is diversity in choices there? What's the point in even making tough choices, everyone may as well just go for upper right or upper left for every single scene in ME2, since it's going to go to the exact same place.

BioWare keeps telling us that "more choices are better." Now, what you propose is actually going back on that and purposefully making a linear game. Regardless if you think the game is linear already (and, I'll give you that, so far it is, but it's not the end yet, is it?), you want BioWare to actually make a linear game, where all choices amount to nothing more than one or two interchangeable lines of text. If anything, there's at least two possible endings (and before anyone says otherwise, I already know about the some six or whatever endings, but I'm breaking this down), you win or you lose. That's two, so it's already non-linear .

Given your arguments in other threads, you believe this whole fight against the Reapers is utterly futile, thus, this game, in your mind, is going to end badly regardless of what happens, because that's how you're going to play it. And I say: more power to you; your playthrough, your rules, I hope it goes really well .

[Jog0907]

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

People seem to think that
the consequences of tali being admiral or not are unimportant and thus
think her position is unnecessary. I disagree, from what was shown
there's some pretty serious consequences to the way the geth/quarian
conflict is handled by the player and its evident that her position in
me3 is related to how the player can approach the matter.

To me
its not unnecessary and as I already said it continues nicely from what
me1 and 2 showed to us in regards to tali's political role, first the
daughter of and admiral in society in which heritage is greatly valued,
and in the second an individual whose family ties made her the target of
political manipulation which once again can be exploited depending on
how her trial was resolved (the admirals are well aware of how tali
admiralty position was manipulated by abusing the conditions of the
moment and loopholes)

What I like is that despite being in a
similar position (if admiral, as a political tool just like me2 with her
"trial") she reacts in a different and IMO more mature way to being
used like that. It shows progression on her part.

Modifié par Jog0907, 11 janvier 2012 - 10:06 .

[Jog0907]

Calinstel wrote...

Jog0907 wrote...

*POSSIBLE SPOILERS*

People seem to think that
the consequences of tali being admiral or not are unimportant and thus
think her position is unnecessary. I disagree, from what was shown
there's some pretty serious consequences to the way the geth/quarian
conflict is handled by the player and its evident that her position in
me3 is related to how the player can approach the matter.

To me
its not unnecessary and as I already said it continues nicely from what
me1 and 2 showed to us in regards to tali's political role, first the
daughter of and admiral in society in which heritage is greatly valued,
and in the second an individual whose family ties made her the target of
political manipulation which once again can be exploited depending on
how her trial was resolved (the admirals are well aware of how tali
admiralty position was manipulated by abusing the conditions of the
moment and loopholes)

What I like is that despite being in a
similar position (if admiral, as a political tool just like me2 with her
"trial") she reacts in a different and IMO more mature way to being
used like that. It shows progression on her part.

I am unsure just where you are getting that feeling/information.  Nowhere in ME1 or 2 was it inferred that because Rael was an Admiral, that Tali would become one.  At best, Tali would be expected to join the Military side of the Fleet.   From there, it would be a natural progression of her abilities within the fleet, to advance.

Maybe I didnt explained it well, Im not saying that because her father was an admiral she would be expected to become one, but that she would inevitably end involved in politics even if she tried to keep away from them, just like what happens in me2.

Modifié par Jog0907, 11 janvier 2012 - 11:36 .

[sites32]

Troodon80 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This is relevant.

I laughed. Monty Python had it figured out even back then.

Also:



It's good, but... it's still missing that third toe (just kidding in this case).

Okay now I have seen it all. My mind has been blown. Its....just... I'm at a lose for words. I mean really?

[mauro2222]

Tali vas Suck?

[mauro2222]

Oh god! No, haha I didn't think before writing it. Lol!

[da hizz nizz 3]

I would buy that vacum cleaner and hell It'd make me keep my house tidier cuz i'd use it every day.

Edit: a Miranda one would be better tho. I would take it around the house saying "Suck Miri Suck!"

Top: here's a classic, After i take rannoch I demand this in ME3

Modifié par da hizz nizz 3, 12 janvier 2012 - 01:26 .

[Spartanburger]

I'm just... not even going to go there.

[sites32]

Lets just say "if" the homeworld is reclaimed and the quarians begin to rebuild their society on the surface, I'd imagine they would keep the structure of government ( admiralty board/ conclave) sense it has kept them alive for 3 centuries in the most dangerous environment imaginable. but eventually maybe not in tali's lifetime the board would be dissolved and what ever the quarians had in place before exile can be reconstructed. But sense we have no knowledge what quarian culture was like before the Morning War, what type of gov do you folks think they had?

[Nashiktal]

I doubt they would keep the system as it is sitesun, the system was built to adapt to fleet life on the flotilla. Having a planet makes most of the admiralty boards utility duties largely obsolete, and with most of the fleet no longer being individual "cities" the conclave will also have to be changed since unless they still plan to live on their fleet for the long term (unlikely since the infrastructure on rannoch was repaired and kept by the geth) their people will no longer be of individual tribes, but larger and much more concentrated populations. Makes no sense to have a conclave made up of representatives of many ships, when the population will be divided between a handful (if that) of large cities.

I suspect some sort of hybrid between what they had during planet life, and what they had during fleet life.

[sites32]

da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

I would buy that vacum cleaner and hell It'd make me keep my house tidier cuz i'd use it every day.

Edit: a Miranda one would be better tho. I would take it around the house saying "Suck Miri Suck!"

Top: here's a classic, After i take rannoch I demand this in ME3

This image doesn't make sense to me. umm... swimsuit and helmet?

[Starfishsicko]

>>This image doesn't make sense to me. umm... swimsuit and helmet?

Its for quick and easy scubba diving of course.

[S.A.K]

Troodon80 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This is relevant.

I laughed. Monty Python had it figured out even back then.

Also:



It's good, but... it's still missing that third toe (just kidding in this case).

That sucks man!

[hand-o_death547]

S.A.K wrote...

Troodon80 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

This is relevant.

I laughed. Monty Python had it figured out even back then.

Also:



It's good, but... it's still missing that third toe (just kidding in this case).

That sucks man!

For some reason that just made me laugh so hard and I almost shot mountain dew all over my computer.

[IndigoWolfe]

sitesunseen wrote...

da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

I would buy that vacum cleaner and hell It'd make me keep my house tidier cuz i'd use it every day.

Edit: a Miranda one would be better tho. I would take it around the house saying "Suck Miri Suck!"

Top: here's a classic, After i take rannoch I demand this in ME3

This image doesn't make sense to me. umm... swimsuit and helmet?

She's kinky that way.

[Thargorichiban]

So what kind of DLC do you guys think is going to be coming with Tali's action figure for ME3?

[da hizz nizz 3]

Thargorichiban wrote...

So what kind of DLC do you guys think is going to be coming with Tali's action figure for ME3?

Probably just an alternate outfit or a codex entry or something of little signifigance   

[da hizz nizz 3]

I'm not either. $17.99 is too much to pay for a action figure, especially ones of as low quality as those