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And the war both begins and ends over the course of ME3, so it's not "late" in the war or something. If Shepard can realistically start a brand new relationship with either VS or Liara then I think he or she can do the same with Garrus or Tali.

If Shepard can start a "new romance" with Tali in ME3 (and again, everything I've read sorta points to the answer being "no", but that's just my interpretation on the leaked script), then obviously we're missing some sort of variable/s which determine whether or not Tali stays single enough for Shepard to woo her or she starts up a relationship with Garrus instead. Maybe it's a matter of Shepard's gender, when we acquire her in the game, or if Shepard's already in a relationship with another character?


I've also been debating on her new Bonus Power and how she (and other characters' BP) acquires it - in the last game, it was based on gaining her Loyality, but since that's already gained (at least, for the majority of Shepards) and individual character loyalty is not as big a central gameplay aspect in ME3 like it was in ME2, then how does she unlock it? Perhaps completing a character's "homeworld" missions in a way that favors his/her side (ie, for Tali that would mean destroying or making peace with the Geth) or perhaps there are other missions and assignments throughout the game that factor into a character unlocking his/her BP?

Perhaps you don't need to unlock the BP at all, and the character can use it right from the start (like Liara could use Stasis in LotSB). As for the the starting up a new relationship with Tali/Garrus in ME3, I don't think it'll happen, as there's already 7 or so "new" romances  present in ME3.

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I would never be so petty to do it to any character, and Garrus is probably my favorite squadmate in the game, but I still have to point this out anyway: Garrus could easily be dead in ME3. What excuse does Tali have to no longer be remotely interested in Shepard in this case? It'd be kind of insulting if her attraction for Shepard was just something fleeting that she abandons for no reason. It'd make her romance in ME2 seem completely shallow.


There seems to be some misunderstanding, but there's only three "new" romances present in ME3. Vega (bi), Spoiler (Gay male) and Spoiler (Gay female). There are four "old" romances: VS, Liara, Garrus and Tali.

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Errr.... James Vega is the new soldier squadmate.

No game with Shepard dead is importable, for that save the series ends there at ME2 with Shepard's death. You have to go back and reload your game so that Shepard doesn't die at the end, or start a new game that ends with Shepard not dying, or start fresh with a no-import ME3 run.

*snip*


Oh, you can start a new ME3 with Shepard not dying? Must have misread somewhere that you begin ME3 as a whole different character(James Sanders which is now James Vega) if you did not have an import an ME2. Makes a lot more sense now.

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Atemeus wrote...

I would never be so petty to do it to any character, and Garrus is probably my favorite squadmate in the game, but I still have to point this out anyway: Garrus could easily be dead in ME3. What excuse does Tali have to no longer be remotely interested in Shepard in this case? It'd be kind of insulting if her attraction for Shepard was just something fleeting that she abandons for no reason. It'd make her romance in ME2 seem completely shallow.


There seems to be some misunderstanding, but there's only three "new" romances present in ME3. Vega (bi), Spoiler (Gay male) and Spoiler (Gay female). There are four "old" romances: VS, Liara, Garrus and Tali.

I meant "new" in that "you can start up a new relationship with them", not as in "new character". And there's apparently one other character you can romance as well, although I believe it's more of a Kelly-level thing than what the rest of the romances are.

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 Alright, spoiler time guys. Don't read my post if you're not knowledgable because I need clarification.


Alright, there's Vega (Bi), Cortez (Shuttle Pilot and gay) and Samantha Traynor (Your comms person, gay) Who else is new to the series?

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Atemeus wrote...

 Alright, spoiler time guys. Don't read my post if you're not knowledgable because I need clarification.



*snip

You're color-coding is off, btw. :pinched:  EDIT: Never mind, you got it. =]

There's also Diana Allers, a reporter that you can invite onto the Normandy, who's a new ME3 LI and sorta fills the "Kelly fling" role more than the two S/S LI (speaking off Kelly, she also has a slightly expanded romance this time around as well).

Also, we don't really know yet whether or not Vega is bi or not - some dialogue suggests that he is, while some others seem to conflict a bit.

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AVPen wrote...

Atemeus wrote...

 Alright, spoiler time guys. Don't read my post if you're not knowledgable because I need clarification.



*snip

You're color-coding is off, btw. :pinched:  EDIT: Never mind, you got it. =]

There's -Spoiler- who's a new ME3 LI.


So many characters that can be romanced this time. I think Bioware really does believe that the Normandy is a love-cruise.

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Gotcha, I noticed the script stuff for her but I only read one full dialog scene with her and it didn't have anything romantic involved, so I wasn't aware. Good to know.

Still, cutting off Tali remains a bad concept to me if Garrus isn't around. And if you don't cut her off if Garrus is around, then why are you cutting her off at all? If Tali has time to start a brand new romance with someone she's known for two games, she has time to start a brand new romance with another- and one she has already previously shown interest in. It would seem very, very arbitrary.

Plus, what if Kaiden is alive, and you're male and straight with no romance from ME2?

Your option is Liara then. That's it.

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I kinda hope that tali ( and other ME2 LIs) cannot be newly woo-Ed in Mass effect 3. I have numourous reasons

1. It would make romancing old characters feel more like an achievement. Something you aimed for.
( other than kaiden or Ashley, I feel they should be able to be newly romanced)
2, it COUlD not will, deviate from the writing of the established relationships
3. I'll be extremely dissapointed if Romacing tali in ME3 bears the same end/results as romancing her in ME2 (this x9000+)

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As opposed to she just plain got over you after six months? She held her crush after you were permanently (as far as she knew) dead for 2 whole years, but six months in jail and Shepard is old news? And then, her attraction for Shepard stems from how she admires your ability to accomplish the impossible... and what does Shepard do before recruiting her in ME3? Think about that. That sounds like deviating from her writing pretty far out there. 

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Atemeus wrote...

As opposed to she just plain got over you after six months? She held her crush after you were permanently (as far as she knew) dead for 2 whole years, but six months in jail and Shepard is old news? And then, her attraction for Shepard stems from how she admires your ability to accomplish the impossible... and what does Shepard do before recruiting her in ME3? Think about that. That sounds like deviating from her writing pretty far out there. 


i agree with you, as you said, the fact that she got over you in 6 months, when she wasnt over you when she thought shep died for 2 years

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Atemeus wrote...

As opposed to she just plain got over you after six months? She held her crush after you were permanently (as far as she knew) dead for 2 whole years, but six months in jail and Shepard is old news? And then, her attraction for Shepard stems from how she admires your ability to accomplish the impossible... and what does Shepard do before recruiting her in ME3? Think about that. That sounds like deviating from her writing pretty far out there. 


i agree with you, as you said, the fact that she got over you in 6 months, when she wasnt over you when she thought shep died for 2 years

Yes, but if you didn't romance her in ME2 doesn't mean that you either a) rejected her B) chose someone else over her or c) lost/failed to gain her loyalty? In the case of any of those situations I don't see why she would continue to persue Shepard.

Edit: And TotP. Being too lazy to go picture searching right now, I'll just take this pic that was recently posted in another thread:

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To join into this conversation, I think getting over Shepard and accepting he cares for another is something else

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Well, that's true. I assume automatically that he only reason you wouldn't romance Tali in ME2 is that you didn't progress the dialog to that point after her Loyalty mission, as in Shepard remained oblivious to her feelings across the events of ME2 and didn't romance anyone a second time in a row, just like ME1. Her feelings would be first revealed to him in ME3.

If Shepard already turned Tali down outright, then there's clearly a very good reason for Tali to move on there, but then again if you turned down Ashley in ME1 or Liara in LotSB I'd expect the same kind of "moving on" level. I mean, there's a new trigger that could justify the resurfacing of her feelings spoiler-wise so it could still be argued that a new romance with Tali would make complete sense, but it's not as bad in that case.

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Edit: And TotP. Being too lazy to go picture searching right now, I'll just take this pic that was recently posted in another thread:

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That is one fine  profile, ain't it? ^_^

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It is indeed, and a lovely custom mod texture as well. I always loved those little glowing disks.

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Really we are lucky to have any type of extended relationship material at all in 3, being that the entire galaxy is at war and at the brink of mass extinction. Although one can loose themselves to that kind of pressure and stress and forget what their fighting for, and thats when a warm moment is needed to remind you what your trying to save. ( insert loving tali hug here! ) : )

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not anything that is going on, but i say they should include more paragon hug interrupts, and renegae butt pinch/slap interrupts :]

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Butt pinches? Really?

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Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

not anything that is going on, but i say they should include more paragon hug interrupts, and renegae butt pinch/slap interrupts :]

You mean like this:

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/248

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Yeah, that should be more of a Paragon interrupt clearly. I see where Jerkface's objection comes from immediately.

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AVPen wrote...

Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

not anything that is going on, but i say they should include more paragon hug interrupts, and renegae butt pinch/slap interrupts :]

You mean like this:

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/248


I love you for finding this, Have my children

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robmokron wrote...

AVPen wrote...

Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

not anything that is going on, but i say they should include more paragon hug interrupts, and renegae butt pinch/slap interrupts :]

You mean like this:

http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/248


I love you for finding this, Have my children


hah this is somewhere in the thread from around 6 months ago... i have 2 tabs open, ones on page 93 and one on the current page:P

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Atemeus wrote...

I would never be so petty to do it to any character, and Garrus is probably my favorite squadmate in the game, but I still have to point this out anyway: Garrus could easily be dead in ME3. What excuse does Tali have to no longer be remotely interested in Shepard in this case? It'd be kind of insulting if her attraction for Shepard was just something fleeting that she abandons for no reason. It'd make her romance in ME2 seem completely shallow.


Mmmmh , you made a point .
Cut off Tali from the ""new"" LI's can be a huge mistake and would make her  previous romance less serious and mature since i don't completely understand why she suddlenly have the same crush for Garrus .
But their weren't the final leak, so , we have to wait for a clear answer.
But if the old characters are romanceable again (Liara, VS ) i would find pretty stupid cut off two of the most beloved characters  <_<.
(sorry for my English)
P.S : Nice pic indeed :lol:

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The Garrus crush really only makes sense if Shepard is female. Otherwise, it crosses into space whales territory.

The entire "Normandy becomes a loveboat in ME3" is something of a put-off to me.