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[schemata]

currently replaying and I often have tali and garrus, and they just had their own conversation over missing the talks on the citadel elevator. Are these two suppose to end up together?

[schemata]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

schemata wrote...

currently replaying and I often have tali and garrus, and they just had their own conversation over missing the talks on the citadel elevator. Are these two suppose to end up together?

Define "supposed to".

Its hard to put to words, b/c they like to push the idea there is no canon; however there are... general thrusts. Things... memes maybe that you can pick up on like which way the wind is blowing. I know they get together if she isnt your LI, but does anyone else get the feeling...  its the direction devs wanted?

[schemata]

jreezy wrote...

schemata wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

schemata wrote...

currently replaying and I often have tali and garrus, and they just had their own conversation over missing the talks on the citadel elevator. Are these two suppose to end up together?

Define "supposed to".

Its hard to put to words, b/c they like to push the idea there is no canon; however there are... general thrusts. Things... memes maybe that you can pick up on like which way the wind is blowing. I know they get together if she isnt your LI

Do you?

not now! lol

[AVPen]

 

schemata wrote...

currently replaying and I often have tali and garrus, and they just had their own conversation over missing the talks on the citadel elevator. Are these two suppose to end up together?

 
And you got that from a single, random conversation, which was more like Garrus trying to tease Tali before she threatens him with her shotgun?  

schemata wrote...

Its hard to put to words, b/c they like to push the idea there is no canon; however there are... general thrusts. Things... memes maybe that you can pick up on like which way the wind is blowing. I know they get together if she isnt your LI, but does anyone else get the feeling...  its the direction devs wanted?

Nope. <_<



Anyway, back to the previous topic:

Cthulhu42 wrote...

da hizz nizz 3 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Atemeus wrote...


Tali thread, riddle me this. Should my import save be clean sheets Tali, or some ME1 romance before Shepard moves on to Tali in ME2?

I've never seen the appeal in a "cheating" playthrough myself; you should just wait through ME1 single.

It's kind of hard to do that tho, I mean Liara is a great Character. But I personnaly have 3 playthroughs a tali one, one where I cheat on Liara for Tali, And a Liara one. I mean I don't see the point too only have clean Tali playthroughs. You'd miss out on a lot of content.

It's simple; just romance Liara in a different playthrough (plus, that way you can do it with FemShep). That way I still see all the Liara romance content, and I don't have to cheat on anyone. Unless you were referring to cheating-related dialogue being the content that I miss out on, in which case I can do without it.

You can only end up with one LI at the end of it all anyway.

And I know this sounds incredibly cheesy, but I like the idea of Tali being the only girl any of my MSheps were ever seriously interested in.

I have to agree with this sentiment a lot, which also worked very well with my canon Shepard since he has the Spacer background (kinda gave the Shepard/Tali relationship and romance in my ME playthrough a sort of "kindred souls" vibe to it, which I really liked). 

 

Modifié par AVPen, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:48 .

[schemata]

The gameplay brought me back to play different classes in ME2, and with that I wanted to explore more of the content and try out the other L.I.s. I pretty much like all of them for Male shep anway. Never played a Femshep personally. Jack was a tough nut to crack but the encounter felt personal.  Ash felt thrown on me, and Liara felt like it was more an intellectual connection; which was better than the alternative.  Most the L.I.s felt rushed. Samara felt forbidden! I felt tali's was the most genuine out of all of them, and I never saw it coming. These lines hit like an uppercut

Tali: If it were just me? You risked your own life to save colonists on feros, two years ago, nobody else could have saved them.I watched your face as Lieutenant Alenko died on virmirie. I watched you stand strong against everything the galaxy threw at you. I watched you for so long and I never thought you'd see past.. this.

Tali kind of tied the adventure together and for my playthroughs had been with me through a lot in both Me1, and me2. I felt like she's the one L.I where your trials and what tie you two together aren't implicit like most of the other L.Is, but explicit through that monologue above.  I could see where she was coming from and it felt real for once. 

Her LM was amazing and I loved being introduced to the Migrant Fleet, and standing up for her in the trial. 

but I am wondering; what did most people do for Both her Lm, and Legions?  did you persuade the MF to go to war, find peace or did you just claim tali as yours? Its a tough call, cause your more invested in tali and by extension the migrant fleet than some other players.  Is it hard to pass up claiming tali for the sake of persuading the board one way or the other? 

And what about legions LM, seeing how closely the geth are tied to the MF, did you intergrate the geth or destroy them? curious what people did here. And because you might have read all this. A pic:

[GipsyDangeresque]

I'll try to persuade them not to go to war. I think Tali will appreciate the thought of convincing their species not to get their own fleet decimated while simultaneously wiping out an equally viable ally for the Reaper War at the same time. You know, galactic consequences and all.

That same reasoning explains my decision at the end of Legion's loyalty mission. To me, the Geth are a future ally, and thus their numbers decreasing would be what I like to call a bad thing. I give the rest of the Heretics a chance to reconsider their stance and join with the True Geth.

[schemata]

Atemeus wrote...

I'll try to persuade them not to go to war. I think Tali will appreciate the thought of convincing their species not to get their own fleet decimated while simultaneously wiping out an equally viable ally for the Reaper War at the same time. You know, galactic consequences and all.

That same reasoning explains my decision at the end of Legion's loyalty mission. To me, the Geth are a future ally, and thus their numbers decreasing would be what I like to call a bad thing. I give the rest of the Heretics a chance to reconsider their stance and join with the True Geth.

Pretty much.  I try to really rely on how I feel overall about something, the general thrust of where the consequences may take me. So I usually persuade them to not go to war. I think in my above post I was more vocalizing my own thought- that I have a really strong pull to skip telling them to go to war or peace and just claiming tali as mine outright ha.

I've also tried to avoid spoilers which is fairly hard in these forums. But from what I gather it seems odd that the quarians would have gone to war.  well, I suppose less on the quarian side. But with legion, whatever he goes through, and his experiences that basically transfers to the rest of the non heretic geth; so you think they wouldve been fairly open to a peace negotion. (Well the quarians quite a bit less so)

Still I could really see where the geth and quarians could have an extremely strong bond, if the quarians could get past thinking their something to be controled, destroyed and respect them as a sapient race.  Id love to see those two interwine in the end, intergrate between the two and build their culture and future together. Thatd be sweet.

Same with the geth, my thinking was that it'd allow the geth to be more reasonable, as theyd be uploading their brethren that had completely opposing views then them. So yeah, switched the heretics back as well. Interesting to think about.  Just hope by the time the game comes out in two months, that I dont have a very strong opinion on how the geth/quarians should turn out, and be bummed how it "actually" turns out, however that goes.

Anyone else feel that talis LM allowed you two to get "closer" and form a better friendship/relationship as a result? Well compared to the other LMs anyway. And, another pic.

[schemata]

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[HellBovine]

Generally, I tend to give the admiralty board the anti-war speech as my Shepard considers it to be a poor time to go to war. As he has not yet met Legion at that point in the narrative, he still considers all geth to be enemies and war with them an inevitable portion of the reaper war so no point with the quarians throwing their ships at the geth unaided.

At Legion's loyalty mission I often am very conflicted but always end with destroying the heretics. I am presented with a situation in which I have a semi-friendly species willing to work alongside me that has a minor fringe group that chose willingly to fight for and worship the reapers. Given the collective consciousness of the geth, rewriting the geth would bring the perspectives of the heretics into the main faction and possibly change the viewpoints of the true geth. The forces of the heretics are not numerous enough for me to justify possibly losing the entire geth to the reapers. Plus they chose their path willingly, so I don't consider them to be victims.

[schemata]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

HellBovine wrote...

Generally, I tend to give the admiralty board the anti-war speech as my Shepard considers it to be a poor time to go to war. As he has not yet met Legion at that point in the narrative, he still considers all geth to be enemies and war with them an inevitable portion of the reaper war so no point with the quarians throwing their ships at the geth unaided.

I never give the Admiralty Board a recommendation either way, because doing so would mean I miss out on the "With all due respect, I didn't represent one of your people. I represented one of mine" line. Which I like too much to ever not choose.

I usually do the peace line as I feel the consquences of my influence may come in handy down the road, however thats my biggest beef. That line is almost impossible to pass up.

[Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE]

no tali on this page so ill just leave this here
 

[Ruthac_Arus]

Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

no tali on this page so ill just leave this here

*picture snip*
 

"Every time you touch a flower with bare fingers, inhale its fragrance without air filters, you're doing something I can't!"

*sad face*

Oddly enough, in my recent playthrough, I got to EDI saying how being unshackled was like wearing gloves all your life, then finally getting to really touch things. From an in-game perspective, that really hit my Tali-romancing Shepard in the gut, reminding him of the outburst I quoted. Was about time to let her experience contact sans "gloves".

[Nashiktal]

I never give the admiralty board any speech if I can help it, I always just proclaim that I am helping my own. I just don't think its entirely my business to direct the entire quarian race to go to war or not, that is something that they themselves should figure out, and shep making a backhanded comment wouldn't influence much in my opinion.

Yes it might mean less people helping during the reaper war, but the entire reaper war can be essentially boiled down to free will and control. If the quarians choose war, I will do what I can to end it one way or another, but I will not stop it.

As for legion's loyalty mission I always destroy the heretics. Once again we are faced with another choice that ties in to the free will theme. No matter how you cut it, I believe if you convert the geth you are brainwashing them. Just as if you were indoctrinating them you change who they are by turning them back into "geth." They lose their unique perspectives.

I don't think any of you would like it if you just woke up one day and found your entire life, opinions, religion, favorite foods, entertainment was suddenly changed, (well actually you would after the fact but you get the idea.)

Either way the heretics are gone, but at least in death they remain who they are.

[Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE]

i agree with ^

[Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE]

Ruthac_Arus wrote...

Mass_Effect1-3_4_LIFE wrote...

no tali on this page so ill just leave this here

*picture snip*
 

"Every time you touch a flower with bare fingers, inhale its fragrance without air filters, you're doing something I can't!"

*sad face*

Oddly enough, in my recent playthrough, I got to EDI saying how being unshackled was like wearing gloves all your life, then finally getting to really touch things. From an in-game perspective, that really hit my Tali-romancing Shepard in the gut, reminding him of the outburst I quoted. Was about time to let her experience contact sans "gloves".

and i also agree with this

[Nashiktal]

I disagree. Its no different from brainwashing. When you talked wrex down you argued with logic and examples that are relevant to him as a krogan. Using his own ideology you showed wrex a scenario that is against his nature and opinions. He changed his own files so to speak. (you should also note that logic does not have a straight path, logic will eventually branch into multiple "paths" over time.)

Changing a file for the geth to change their opinions, is just like morinth when she forces you to like her.

Did the heretics choose to have their file changed? No? Its brainwashing. The heretics already came to their own decisions that varied from the true geth on their own without any manually changing their files. Its is nowhere near the same as talking wrex down.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 16 janvier 2012 - 06:08 .

[Jog0907]

Nashiktal wrote...

I disagree. Its no different from brainwashing. When you talked wrex down you argued with logic and examples that are relevant to him as a krogan. Using his own ideology you showed wrex a scenario that is against his nature and opinions. He changed his own files so to speak. (you should also note that logic does not have a straight path, logic will eventually branch into multiple "paths" over time.)

Changing a file for the geth to change their opinions, is just like morinth when she forces you to like her.

Did the heretics choose to have their file changed? No? Its brainwashing. The heretics already came to their own decisions that varied from the true geth on their own without any manually changing their files. Its is nowhere near the same as talking wrex down.

Consider that your position is indeed contrary to what legion as a geth says, that even benign antrophomorphism against changing the thought process on synthetcis is bad because it disregards the fact that geth do not work the same as organics.
For a geth, such thing is not brainwashing is just introducing variables and to consider it the same as brainwashing on organics is inconsiderate towards the nature of the geth as an AI instead of typical organic mind, and like legion says a potential form of racism, you are essentially disregarding their morals product of their nature and forcing your beliefs on them by insisting on it being brainwashing even when they consider that not to be the case.

[GipsyDangeresque]

There's a reason the reprogramming option ends up on the top at the end of the mission, as a paragon option. It's because, from the viewpoint of the writers, Shepard is convinced by Legion's explanation that the re-write is more along the lines of persuasion and less along the lines of mind control. I generally tend to believe the writer's interpretations of events in a storyline match up best with what actually is occuring in the storyline.