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[Homebound]

Gust4v wrote...

Well, she has nails in the both games, but that's probably part of her suit.

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deathmetal Tali:  I call upon the ancient lords of the underworld,
To bring forth this beast and,
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Take the land, that must be taken.
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Devour worlds, smite forsaken.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Gust4v wrote...

Well, she has nails in the both games, but that's probably part of her suit.

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deathmetal Tali:  I call upon the ancient lords of the underworld,
To bring forth this beast and,
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Take the land, that must be taken.
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Devour worlds, smite forsaken.

Darth Tali: Join me Shepard and together we shall overthrow the Council and rule the Galaxy!!!!:devil:
Shepard:...I'm in.
Darth Tali: Really just like that?
Shepard: Hell yeah!
Darth Tali:...Okay.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Hellbound555 wrote...

so..tali is a velociraptor?

That's hot.

[Bachi1230]

I'd totally join Darth Tali on taking over the galaxy after we deal with the reapers

[Homebound]

that pic totally looks like tali is about to do a deathgrowl.

[DoNotIngest]

That's Tali doing her evil villain laugh as she plots her next Covert Pounce.



Evil Tali: Mwahwahwahwahw--ah-- *sneeze* Bosh'tet, I'll get you back...

[Troodon80]

So... decided to see what this was about the point on Tali's finger.

And I'm going to have to agree with Saphra, partially anyway, I would imagine the point at the end of Tali's fingers to be mainly the model. Since her fingers are thin to start with, reducing the polygons on the model when using something like Zbrush (which I seem to remember is what one of the videos said they were trying to use), the model usually comes out near-perfect, but a reduction in polygons is still a reduction. And on a small area like Tali's fingertips, a reduction is usually noticeable.




*Click the pictures for larger image*

And I would have to agree with him, also, on the fact that I don't think BioWare ever intended for anyone to inspect these models closely in-game or even with something like 3DSMax.

[Gust4v]

DoNotIngest wrote...
Howzabout Shepard, Tali, & Garrus are all dancing on tables in a bar, and Cerberus pops out of nowhere, and Tali kicks the head off one of them and knifes another in the eye with dat bootknife, and proceeds to jump onto the dancefloor and tear apart some Cerberus goons with her twin omni-blades?

...

Well, I'll be happy with a bellydance and a TALI!KICK, personally...

Lol, that's a weird scene, perfect for a Dark Horse comic. Anyway, Tali is an Engineer, according to a magazine they have a fire blade. So, dual fire blades.

Oh yes, the belly dance, I forgot about it. That's the most important thing.


@Troodon: Good pics. I can clearly see the "imperfections."

Modifié par Gust4v, 01 juillet 2011 - 08:53 .

[Troodon80]

@Troodon: Good pics. I can clearly see the "imperfections."

I wish we could actually have a high-poly Tali...

Sadly, very few computers would be able to handle every character model being so high in polygon count.

So, yeah, there are limitations on the models that BioWare can produce and still keep it economical for the average gamer, and more specifically consoles.

Brief hypothesis:

As far as I can see, by looking at the model, there is something protruding from the end of the finger (on the top-most side). Something that, I might add, isn't on the male quarian model. It looks almost like a fingernail. It's also on the generic female quarian, so it's something that only the females have (at least with regards to it being long.).

Now, since this is metal we're talking about, those things on the ends of their fingers, for something to be protruding by such a small amount, likely the 'nail' or claw, whatever it might be, won't be very long.

But since this isn't noticeable unless you really strain to examine it, I wouldn't imagine it to be more than the 'model limitations' I mentioned earlier. Unless BioWare could comment on it, then I'll stick by what I've already said.

[T.Attwood]

I found this article that may be of interest. It has an interview with Jesse Houston, where he discusses some aspects of the design of ME3. There is a mention of Tali in it.

http://www.wired.com.../mass-effect-3/

Quote: The Mass Effect series is traditionally heavy on story, and Mass Effect 3 looks to take that even further, serving as the culmination of everything that’s happened in the series’ universe up to now. Houston says even decisions that seemed inconsequential in the first two games will matter in this one. For instance, your relationship with party member Tali will change drastically based on your actions.

It doesn't reveal anything that (I am sure) many people didn't know before, but I thought it was an interesting article nevertheless, so I thought I'd share...

[Homebound]

this is the closest thing to a shoutout we'll ever get from Mr. Houston.

[jamesp81]

Bachi1230 wrote...

I'd totally join Darth Tali on taking over the galaxy after we deal with the reapers

This.  It would make defeating the Reapers so much easier anyway.

Harbinger: You will fail.  Your civilization will fall by my hand.

Darth Tali: (breathing) I find you lack of faith......disturbing (force chokes Harbinger)

Harbinger: Gah....

[Capt_Flashheart]

Thanks for posting that link to the ME3 article T.Attwood. I haven't seen it before and that bit about Tali was very intriguing.

[S.A.K]

Tali poll
Thanks for voting guys. Tali got 76%likes. Thats good.

[Reapers_hell]

i wonder if we se her face without her mask in this on or at lest another quarian.

[PhantomSpectre]

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Darth Tali: Join me Shepard and together we shall overthrow the Council and rule the Galaxy!!!!:devil:
Shepard:...I'm in.
Darth Tali: Really just like that?
Shepard: Hell yeah!
Darth Tali:...Okay.

Right, for some reason BSN doesn't like me posting images, so let's do it old fashion way then.

http://i36.photobuck...t/Taliflag2.jpg

http://i36.photobuck...t/DarthTali.jpg

http://i483.photobuc...7/darthtali.jpg

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 01 juillet 2011 - 05:30 .

[PhantomSpectre]

T.Attwood wrote...

I found this article that may be of interest. It has an interview with Jesse Houston, where he discusses some aspects of the design of ME3. There is a mention of Tali in it.

Quote: The Mass Effect series is traditionally heavy on story, and Mass Effect 3 looks to take that even further, serving as the culmination of everything that’s happened in the series’ universe up to now. Houston says even decisions that seemed inconsequential in the first two games will matter in this one. For instance, your relationship with party member Tali will change drastically based on your actions.

It doesn't reveal anything that (I am sure) many people didn't know before, but I thought it was an interesting article nevertheless, so I thought I'd share...

Well I'm not surprised about that comment of Tali. There are so many things I can think of which could have importance or the very least they could have some kind of impact.

 1. How did you recruited Tali in the first place: Supportive or not)

2. How you treated her on first Normandy: Yes, she will join you anyway, but that sure had to affect, especially if things are not well in ME3. Then things from the past could multiply.

3. Did you give her that Geth data or not: Really that had to be some more importance than help Tali recognize Shep. And I'm talking about more personal level for Tali and not about possible consequence to Geth/Quarian conflict.

4. How you treated her on Freedom's progress: Well most likely renegade dialogue options might have an effect that Shep doesn't trust Tali and her leading and/or decisions.

5. What happened to Veetor?

6. Possible even how Shep had treated Quarians in general: For example do you help them or not, because it's possible for not to do any of those assignments. Fleet is important to Tali, so your Shep helping other Quarians could somehow help or make Tali think you more favourable. (In reality, I don’t see this one having any effect. BW is not that much to details.)

7. Do you side more with Cerberus, when you're talking with Tali on the Normandy?

8. Legion.
a) Did you bring Legion on Tali's dossier mission: Might have given more time for Tali to get used to him and see that Geth's could fight against even their own. And it's certainly more time than what it was if you get him form IFF mission after Tali was in your crew.
Bringing Legion to her Trial might again further change Tali's option about the Geth: You have Geth on Quarian fleet and all he does is help them to kill more Geth, no danger to fleet. And there is that whole thing how it could affect other Quarians and their options.
c) Rewrite/destroy: Tali surely didn't like it if you rewrited them and if that decision backfires...... However rewriting decisions could further change Tali's options about the whole Geth/Quarian issue, if it would further peace possibility.
d) Which side you take on that Tali and Legion conflict.
>Paragon: Seems to be best option, because it furthers peace and show both of them how damn stupid this fighting is. Could further change Tali’s options and she indeed grant some data for Legion.
>Renegade: Also leads to Tali giving data for Legion, but the way how it happens is not as good as Paragon. Shep talks more of about his/hers mission and that because of that this Tali/Legion issue is moronic. It doesn't really contribute on peace. (But that's just my opinion, cos I don't like renegade option at all.)
>Siding with Tali: Well she is happy, but it doesn't help the peace or change her views at all.
>Siding with Legion: Is there any Tali fan, whom would actually do this? But really, end of Romance and won't help at all with Geth/Quarian peace possibility. And Tali's opinion about Shep just decreased a lot. Paragon options later might save a little, but not that much.

9. Tali's trial.
a) Did you even do it at all: If not, it's sure doesn't make Tali happy at you, I can say that. (Actually we don't even know how Tali's trial would go that way. Heck she could even die on Alarei all we know if you won't help her.)
Did you use Para or Rene options to get her exonerate. Tali is happiest with Shep and this is one more reason to be eternally grateful for him/her. After all, Shep not only respect her wish to save her father fame, but Shep defended her like no one else had ever done (Tali even says that much to you.) Really increased changes for Tali to come back and be friendlier with Shep even without romance.
c) Rally crowd: Mostly same as para/rene. Biggest issue with this could be the fact that it showed that Tali is respected in the fleet and be her actions. This could affect possible admiralty candidacy. (Yeah, not likely, but this rally options would back up that best.)
d) Not giving evidence and that why Tali is exiled: Sad situation for Tali, but she is still grateful for Shep for listening her wishes. Exile most likely mean that Tali will more easily join your crew again if not that she is there already. After all Tali doesn't really have place to go, other than Normandy, if she is exiled. However exile could also be bad. It might make Tali to help Quarians more desperately and that way risking more than would be necessary if she is
not exiled. (Yeah, psychological issue, because it sure hurt Tali deeply that she was exiled.)
e) Giving the evidence: Worst possible. Tali will be deeply hurt and she even says that she doesn't want to talk to Shep, except if he/she needs something mission related. Tali won’t be happy to join at all, if she even does that in some point.

10. Romancing Tali.
a) Start but then declines in some point: This really hurts Tali, especially if it's just before SM. However all is not lost, because it could be possible for reasoning that the timing was not right and it was safer not to continue it at
the time. Then again with Reaper thread romance would still be impossible......... ah, who I'm kidding with trying to find sane reasons for this doing something like that. There is none, because that’s just horrible act.
Romance + scene before SM and continuing it after the mission is done. (Tali could visit in your cabin later):  Simply but, best premise for ME3, if Tali as LI. She will definitely come back.

11. Did you
use Tali as tech expert: Will show that Shep truly trust her and her abilities. (This won’t probably have any importance, because it’s just small thing.)

Yeah, well
that’s all I can think of at the moment.

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 01 juillet 2011 - 08:26 .

[xlavaina]

All I can say is now that its confirmed Tali is back for ME3 I have enough faith to go preorder it

[Gust4v]

Troodon80 wrote...
I wish we could actually have a high-poly Tali...

Sadly, very few computers would be able to handle every character model being so high in polygon count.

So, yeah, there are limitations on the models that BioWare can produce and still keep it economical for the average gamer, and more specifically consoles.

Brief hypothesis:

As far as I can see, by looking at the model, there is something protruding from the end of the finger (on the top-most side). Something that, I might add, isn't on the male quarian model. It looks almost like a fingernail. It's also on the generic female quarian, so it's something that only the females have (at least with regards to it being long.).

Now, since this is metal we're talking about, those things on the ends of their fingers, for something to be protruding by such a small amount, likely the 'nail' or claw, whatever it might be, won't be very long.

But since this isn't noticeable unless you really strain to examine it, I wouldn't imagine it to be more than the 'model limitations' I mentioned earlier. Unless BioWare could comment on it, then I'll stick by what I've already said.

Damn, high-poly Tali looks awesome.

So, only female quarians have fingernails. I didn't know that.
 I'm not surprised.

edit:
@PhantomSpectre: Yeah, I think those are all the variables.

Modifié par Gust4v, 01 juillet 2011 - 09:05 .

[T.Attwood]

@phantomspectre. That is one heck of a list! Did you remember all those things from memory? I think I will have to play through ME2 again as I don't remember most of those. Something you could add to the list, is; whether you invited Tali to the 'card game' aboard the Normandy (yeah, saving the Galaxy will depend on whether you did or not!!).

Seriously though, regarding the article, it sounds like Bioware are adding a lot of weight to past choices, which is great! I think it shows the work that is being put into, (I read somewhere), "deeper relationships with the characters". It hopefully means that there will be many more choices that have an effect on relationships and the outcome of the story in ME3. I always felt things were limited on the ME1 and ME2, where you only had three main outcomes, i.e. recruiting them, making them loyal, getting them to upgrade the ship. Improving on this aspect can only mean good things...

(Edit: Other variables; how you treated the other quarians on the citadel, (remember Mr 'credit chit'), and other locations).

Modifié par T.Attwood, 01 juillet 2011 - 09:09 .

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

jamesp81 wrote...

Bachi1230 wrote...

I'd totally join Darth Tali on taking over the galaxy after we deal with the reapers

This.  It would make defeating the Reapers so much easier anyway.

Udina: Don't bring up your sorcerous ways Lord Tali your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not brought you closer----

Darth Tali: (breathing) I find you lack of faith......disturbing (force chokes Harbinger)

Udina: This*gasps* Is*gasps* an *gasps* OUTRAGE!!!....

Shepard: Tali release him.
Darth Tali: As you wish *releases Udina who gasps for air*

Modifié par Grand Admiral Cheesecake, 01 juillet 2011 - 09:14 .

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Longer fingernails on the ladies makes sense to me, and is also very welcome.

Agreed Saphra, I would find the notion of Quarians having fingernails (or equivalent) quite nice, same for females having them a bit longer...

Remaining in the range of Quarian fingers... Do you think Quarians (and thus Tali) follow senary (base six) algebrical numeration?
One of the main reasons we use the decimal system is that we have ten fingers for counting, after all... So since Quarians have six it would make sense using senary system, at least in my opinion...

[T.Attwood]

Pride Demon wrote...

Remaining in the range of Quarian fingers... Do you think Quarians (and thus Tali) follow senary (base six) algebrical numeration?
One of the main reasons we use the decimal system is that we have ten fingers for counting, after all... So since Quarians have six it would make sense using senary system, at least in my opinion...

Hmm, I guess that would make sense. Perhaps, as their culture is based heavily on technology, it is possible they are more accustomed to using a binary system, and maybe have switched to using it all the time. Although, it would make everyday numbers huge in size, e.g. 255 would be represented using 7 digits. Not particularly efficient.