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[Someone With Mass]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Think its a good idea or bad idea to hand the data over to the war hungry quarian, spoiler free broad stroke kinda way. (after the trial)

I don't think it matters. Regardless, I don't do it.

I think Xen finds the data regardless of what you do, since it's still left on the Alarei.

I'm personally more or less with Koris, since he doesn't want to turn the geth into slaves and repeat the whole damn process of the Morning War all over again and he doesn't seem to be willing to throw the fleet at the geth either.

Xen's plan comes after, in case the first plan doesn't work.

Gerrel's plan of attacking the geth head on is just dumb because the odds are against them, so I'm not even considering helping him.

[Kid Buu]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Still a priority though, I dont know why she did not mention it though.

I know why she didn't mention it: her father's legacy was more important.

I think you just want to believe otherwise because you don't want to confront how horrible of a thing it was that Tali was asking you to do.

It's not easy to admit that people we like might not actually be good people, or at the very least that they are capable of very bad things.

Such is typical of the Tali/Paragon crowd.

sigh
I will not argue about this but I will say:
I dont believe she was being selfish there. She was willing to take responsibility for her father and in doing so it would give the relatives of those who died comfort in knowing Tali was likely responsible, and stop the fleet from fragmenting which would help her people and the galaxy against the reapers. You could argue that the data would be too valuable and would therefor make Tali selfish for wanting to destroy it, or you could argue that the data would just encourage the quarians to go to war prematurely which could have gotten most of them killed. Regardless of the reasons, Tali was willing be exiled for her father and she mourns what may happen to the fleet even before it happens. Its obvious she cares about her people, you can argue that what she did was selfish or not, but I believe if Tali had the choice: to either save her father or save the fleet. Its pretty obvious what she would pick and being exiled allowed her to do both. So why not?

[schemata]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Still a priority though, I dont know why she did not mention it though.

I know why she didn't mention it: her father's legacy was more important.

I think you just want to believe otherwise because you don't want to confront how horrible of a thing it was that Tali was asking you to do.

It's not easy to admit that people we like might not actually be good people, or at the very least that they are capable of very bad things.

Such is typical of the Tali/Paragon crowd.

tali's father was a scumbag. too bad tali doesnt see that...

Don;t think he was a scumbag or stupid, he was tragic and desperate. He had an amazing knack for egineering, but couldnt connect with his own daughter. All the ways people show love to those they care about and I imagine he had a really hard time being able to convey his feelings to tali, or to express his love.  So he transfixed himself on being able to sideline the geth and take back their homeworld, because he promised tali he would build her a home there. It was his limited way to express his love to tali. Yeah, desperate and tragic.

[Homebound]

schemata wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Still a priority though, I dont know why she did not mention it though.

I know why she didn't mention it: her father's legacy was more important.

I think you just want to believe otherwise because you don't want to confront how horrible of a thing it was that Tali was asking you to do.

It's not easy to admit that people we like might not actually be good people, or at the very least that they are capable of very bad things.

Such is typical of the Tali/Paragon crowd.

tali's father was a scumbag. too bad tali doesnt see that...

Don;t think he was a scumbag or stupid, he was tragic and desperate. He had an amazing knack for egineering, but couldnt connect with his own daughter. All the ways people show love to those they care about and I imagine he had a really hard time being able to convey his feelings to tali, or to express his love.  So he transfixed himself on being able to sideline the geth and take back their homeworld, because he promised tali he would build her a home there. It was his limited way to express his love to tali. Yeah, desperate and tragic.

his inability to be a father is a key point in the quarian/geth conflict.

[schemata]

Whats this stuff I keep heaing about the fleet breaking up? how in the world does that ever happen? That just makes no sense from what Ive seen me1, me2

[Kid Buu]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

sigh
I will not argue about this but I will say:
I dont believe she was being selfish there. She was willing to take responsibility for her father...

Yeah, who cares about the truth? As long as Tali is satisfied. 

She needed to grow up and let daddy pay for his mistakes.

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened. We both know that only Tali would be punished if they punished her father. You cant punish a dead person after all.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:00 .

[Homebound]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

sigh
I will not argue about this but I will say:
I dont believe she was being selfish there. She was willing to take responsibility for her father...

Yeah, who cares about the truth? As long as Tali is satisfied. 

She needed to grow up and let daddy pay for his mistakes.

it wasnt about Tali wanting to be satisfied. But ya, shoulda let shepard tell the admiraltyboard.

[Kid Buu]

You can just tell Gerrel about it afterwards.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

sigh
I will not argue about this but I will say:
I dont believe she was being selfish there. She was willing to take responsibility for her father...

Yeah, who cares about the truth? As long as Tali is satisfied. 

She needed to grow up and let daddy pay for his mistakes.

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened. We both know that only Tali would be punished if they punished her father. You cant punish a dead person after all.

actually no, if you actually give the data and turn rael'zorah in to the admiralty board, they wont blame tali at all. once they know the truth that it was him that made this all happen, they leave tali out of it.

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

sigh
I will not argue about this but I will say:
I dont believe she was being selfish there. She was willing to take responsibility for her father...

Yeah, who cares about the truth? As long as Tali is satisfied. 

She needed to grow up and let daddy pay for his mistakes.

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened. We both know that only Tali would be punished if they punished her father. You cant punish a dead person after all.

actually no, if you actually give the data and turn rael'zorah in to the admiralty board, they wont blame tali at all. once they know the truth that it was him that made this all happen, they leave tali out of it.

you misunderstand. Tali does not want her father to be punished. She will be emotionally scarred. By punishing her father, you are only punishing her. Hence why she wanted to be exiled instead.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:03 .

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

You can just tell Gerrel about it afterwards.

i dunno man, that whole trial and not fessing up when my shepard could've is a black mark on my playthrough.

[schemata]

schemata wrote...

Whats this stuff I keep heaing about the fleet breaking up? how in the world does that ever happen? That just makes no sense from what Ive seen me1, me2

shameless interrupt x2

[Kid Buu]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

Call me crazy, but I dont really see whats selfish about that.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

you misunderstand. Tali does not want ehr fatehr to be punished. She will emotionally scarred. By punishing her father, you are only punishing her. Hence why she wanted to be exiled instead.

and we come full circle. Rael'zorah is a scumbag.

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

you misunderstand. Tali does not want ehr fatehr to be punished. She will emotionally scarred. By punishing her father, you are only punishing her. Hence why she wanted to be exiled instead.

and we come full circle. Rael'zorah is a scumbag.

I think Rael is an idiot. But he wanted what was best for his people.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

Call me crazy, but I dont really see whats selfish about that.

maybe selfish is too strong a word, but tali definitely needed to accept and come to terms with what her father did and not let herself get dragged into HIS mess.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:06 .

[schemata]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

I just think its honor and pride, she doesn't want her fathers name removed from quarian history, or to bring shame to who he was, she'd rather be exiled.

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Modifié par schemata, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:08 .

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Yeah, who cares about the truth? As long as Tali is satisfied. 

She needed to grow up and let daddy pay for his mistakes.

Newsflash: They'll find out about the truth regardless of what you do. It's a simple matter of just searching the Alarei for the information about the research that was left untouched.

[Homebound]

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

I just think its honor and pride, she doesn't want her fathers name removed from quarian history, or to bring shame to who he was, she'd rather be exiled.

the thing is, that doesnt change the fact that rael'zorah did something bad enough to warrant such punishment. He still did what he did. scratched out or not. Tali doesnt get this...