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[Kid Buu]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Call me crazy, but I dont really see whats selfish about that.

I guess I can't help you then, have a nice life.

Though it says troubling things about your take on criminal justice. It doesn't matter if the guilty party pays as long as someone pays, right?

I hope you're never a judge.

Saphra dont be childish. By giving the evidence she is screwing over herself because she is the only one that would be truly punished. By keeping the evidence she screws over no one because no one gets punished. I you see what Im saying.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Call me crazy, but I dont really see whats selfish about that.

I guess I can't help you then, have a nice life.

Though it says troubling things about your take on criminal justice. It doesn't matter if the guilty party pays as long as someone pays, right?

I hope you're never a judge.

Saphra dont be childish. By giving the evidence she is screwing over herself because she is the only one that would be truly punished. By keeping the evidence she screws over no one because no one gets punished. I you see what Im saying.

Im having a hard time following your train of thought.

[Kid Buu]

Now you argument primarily is that the victims relatives need closure. My argument is that:
1. They are getting some closure by Tali basically saying it was her fault.
2. We have argued about this but there is a very good chance that many of those, if not all, were involved with the experiments and therefor would do no good to let them know
3. Lastly, Tali knows that giving the evidence up will likely fragment the fleet. That is more important that closure.

[Homebound]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The guilty party in this case is already dead. You can't really punish a dead guy.

No, but you can still provide justice for his victims.

How? They're dead too, it doesn't benefit them any if he's convicted.

something bad happened on the Alerei. It was Rael'zorahs fault. the Quarians deserve to know the truth and who the people really responsible are. And in the end, they'll find out anyways. the alerei isnt destroyed. the evidence is still all there.

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

The guilty party in this case is already dead. You can't really punish a dead guy.

No, but you can still provide justice for his victims.

How? They're dead too, it doesn't benefit them any if he's convicted.

something bad happened on the Alerei. It was Rael'zorahs fault. the Quarians deserve to know the truth and who the people really responsible are. And in the end, they'll find out anyways. the alerei isnt destroyed. the evidence is still all there.

givin the evidence also fragments the fleet theough.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Now you argument primarily is that the victims relatives need closure. My argument is that:
1. They are getting some closure by Tali basically saying it was her fault.
2. We have argued about this but there is a very good chance that many of those, if not all, were involved with the experiments and therefor would do no good to let them know
3. Lastly, Tali knows that giving the evidence up will likely fragment the fleet. That is more important that closure.

1. No, they are getting closure knowint it's RAEL's fault.
2. I disagree, if every quarian knew, there would civil war. Dont believe me? Talk to the captains and their view on how to handle the geth.
3. That's honestly an assumption.

[schemata]

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

I just think its honor and pride, she doesn't want her fathers name removed from quarian history, or to bring shame to who he was, she'd rather be exiled.

the thing is, that doesnt change the fact that rael'zorah did something bad enough to warrant such punishment. He still did what he did. scratched out or not. Tali doesnt get this...

too naive for my tastes.  Knowing officially that her father crossed lines won't ease their suffering compared to thinking it was some kind of mistake.  The geth are the geth and THEY killed the crew aboard the alari. just dont think the victims need to know the truth.  Its not like the geth killing the crew is senseless, leaving the surviving families of the victims mordified.

[Homebound]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

And in the end, they'll find out anyways. the alerei isnt destroyed. the evidence is still all there.

Yeah, sure, what SMW said. The entire dilemma and plot-line was pointless because everyone will find out anyway, apparently.

That's so ****ing stupid that I'm sure Bioware will really do this.

its one of those things that set up so it bites us in the ass in the last game.

[schemata]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Now you argument primarily is that the victims relatives need closure. My argument is that:
1. They are getting some closure by Tali basically saying it was her fault.

Son, you just don't get it.

You don't have any love for justice or truth.

But father, this is way too damn black and white and naive.

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Now you argument primarily is that the victims relatives need closure. My argument is that:
1. They are getting some closure by Tali basically saying it was her fault.
2. We have argued about this but there is a very good chance that many of those, if not all, were involved with the experiments and therefor would do no good to let them know
3. Lastly, Tali knows that giving the evidence up will likely fragment the fleet. That is more important that closure.

1. No, they are getting closure knowint it's RAEL's fault.
2. I disagree, if every quarian knew, there would civil war. Dont believe me? Talk to the captains and their view on how to handle the geth.
3. That's honestly an assumption.

1. Either way they are still getting some closure
2. What do they get out of knowing their friends were involved in illegal experiments? What closure?
3. No, she makes it pretty clear afterwards that she knows what it will do to her people. Again, save the fleet or give some people false closure? Pretty obvious choice.

[Homebound]

schemata wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

I just think its honor and pride, she doesn't want her fathers name removed from quarian history, or to bring shame to who he was, she'd rather be exiled.

the thing is, that doesnt change the fact that rael'zorah did something bad enough to warrant such punishment. He still did what he did. scratched out or not. Tali doesnt get this...

too naive for my tastes.  Knowing officially that her father crossed lines won't ease their suffering compared to thinking it was some kind of mistake.  The geth are the geth and THEY killed the crew aboard the alari. just dont think the victims need to know the truth.  Its not like the geth killing the crew is senseless, leaving the surviving families of the victims mordified.

raelzorah knew what he was doing and he knew he was breaking laws to do it. Rael zorah is guilty for the events taking place on the Alerei.

[Kid Buu]

Know what? I dont want to argue about this anymore. I said I wasnt going to but I did anyway. The last time I did, the argument went way too long.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:20 .

[Homebound]

i just dont see why you guys keep trying to defend rael'zorahs actions and letting tali take the fall for it.


edited for giant pouncing tali:

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:23 .

[Kid Buu]

Saphra, its a matter of opinion. I disagree with almost everything you just said. So really this isnt going anywhere.

[schemata]

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

She was willing to accept responsibility for what happened.

She wanted to take responsibility, even though it wasn't her fault, because it was easier for her than letting her father actually pay for his crime.

It was selfish and childish.

I just think its honor and pride, she doesn't want her fathers name removed from quarian history, or to bring shame to who he was, she'd rather be exiled.

the thing is, that doesnt change the fact that rael'zorah did something bad enough to warrant such punishment. He still did what he did. scratched out or not. Tali doesnt get this...

too naive for my tastes.  Knowing officially that her father crossed lines won't ease their suffering compared to thinking it was some kind of mistake.  The geth are the geth and THEY killed the crew aboard the alari. just dont think the victims need to know the truth.  Its not like the geth killing the crew is senseless, leaving the surviving families of the victims mordified.

raelzorah knew what he was doing and he knew he was breaking laws to do it. Rael zorah is guilty for the events taking place on the Alerei.

Man, WAY too black and white. Sometimes doing the right thing is doing the wrong thing. Justice is not the be all end all of whats good for everyone or anyone. Blame isnt that important, srsly.

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

I just dont see why you guys keep trying to defend rael'zorahs actions and letting tali take the fall for it.

What we are arguing about is how the fleet benifets from either exiling Tali or not and how you would know that before. 

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:24 .

[Homebound]

So Schemeta, I guess protecting criminals is?