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[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

So Schemeta, I guess protecting criminals is?

I believe under certain circumstances, in which more people benefit, yes it can be.

[schemata]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Respect for the innocent isn't important either it seems.

You see, this is why I play Renegade.

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

So Schemeta, I guess protecting criminals is?

I believe under certain circumstances, in which more people benefit, yes it can be.

I disagree. But I still played along because I wanted to mance tali..

[Kid Buu]

Saphra Deden wrote...

schemata wrote...

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

Why am I the only person who isn't a meta-gaming scumbag?

Well we argue about this in a non metagaming contex but it never goes anywhere. This is clearly something of opion.

Modifié par Kid Buu, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:29 .

[Homebound]

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Respect for the innocent isn't important either it seems.

You see, this is why I play Renegade.

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

this isnt an all or nothing scenario Schemata, Rael is a criminal, what does turning him in have to do with trees and forest?

[schemata]

I see whats going on here. I see! you guys have a very very simple morality thing going on, no nuance, no color, just black and white.

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Respect for the innocent isn't important either it seems.

You see, this is why I play Renegade.

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

this isnt an all or nothing scenario Schemata, Rael is a criminal, what does turning him in have to do with trees and forest?

because if you turn him in, it fragments the fleet and Tali apparently knows that. See? This will go nowhere.

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Respect for the innocent isn't important either it seems.

You see, this is why I play Renegade.

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

this isnt an all or nothing scenario Schemata, Rael is a criminal, what does turning him in have to do with trees and forest?

because if you turn him in, it fragments the fleet and Tali apparently knows that. See? This will go nowhere.

at what point does the game say turning him in fragments the fleet or that tali knows? and fragmented fleet or not, it doesnt change what rael did.

[Someone With Mass]

Saphra Deden wrote...
The truth is covered up though. Good thing quarians don't believe in ghosts or I'd fear the Alerai becoming haunted as a result of this despicable injustice.

It's not like it's the first time a government has decided to hide the truth from the public.

Besides, the admirals knows the truth and that's good enough for me.

I think that's better than sabotaging the future efforts of the families of the crew of the Alarei by publicly admit that their relatives aided in a crime. It doesn't help anyone.

[Homebound]

schemata wrote...

I see whats going on here. I see! you guys have a very very simple morality thing going on, no nuance, no color, just black and white.

This isnt about Tali and the trial anymore is it? WHats this REALLY about?

[schemata]

Saphra Deden wrote...

schemata wrote...

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

Why am I the only person who isn't a meta-gaming scumbag?

metagaming? Sounds to me you only go all paragon or go home. That decision has biten ya, and instead of readjusting what might constitue justice, morality and values or anything like that- you blame the game. And then name call others who aren't simpletons. gg

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

Kid Buu wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Respect for the innocent isn't important either it seems.

You see, this is why I play Renegade.

Respect to a limit, justice isnt worth sacrifcing everything for the very thing its trying to protect. Its a tree for the forrest kind of arguement. Way too black and white and simple.

this isnt an all or nothing scenario Schemata, Rael is a criminal, what does turning him in have to do with trees and forest?

because if you turn him in, it fragments the fleet and Tali apparently knows that. See? This will go nowhere.

at what point does the game say turning him in fragments the fleet or that tali knows? and fragmented fleet or not, it doesnt change what rael did.

tali clearly says this immediately after the trial if you give the evidence. I saw it in a Youtube video. She also mentions it on the Normandy I believe. And you are right, it dosnt change what Rael did, but iving the evidence just makes the situation worse by fragmenting the fleet. Again, you really waste time arguing about this? It will go no where.

[Homebound]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
The truth is covered up though. Good thing quarians don't believe in ghosts or I'd fear the Alerai becoming haunted as a result of this despicable injustice.

It's not like it's the first time a government has decided to hide the truth from the public.

Besides, the admirals knows the truth and that's good enough for me.

I think that's better than sabotaging the future efforts of the families of the crew of the Alarei by publicly admit that their relatives aided in a crime. It doesn't help anyone.

but they still did it! The Quarians deserve to know the truth. Why would you let the admiralty hide the truth like that?

[BentOrgy]

Kid Buu wrote...

Know what? I dont want to argue about this anymore. I said I wasnt going to but I did anyway. The last time I did, the argument went way too long.

Why don't we just ignore him? Sure, he can spam the thread with his obnoxious opinions, but he'll either get bored, or be banned by being reported. All this hate is giving me a headache.

Yes, Paragon say cover up the truth, but no one gets hurt by doing so. So the grieving husbands/wives/sons/daughters don't have an actual person to blame, what would they gain if they did? Nothing. Someone to hate and despise, which would in turn possibly make them hate and despise Tali, someone who doesn't deserve it. People are mostly irrational about these things, and take out their sadness on people/things that don't deserve it. Point of fact; look at how the quarians treated Tali due to just suspicion. Imagine what would have happened if the data had been revealed entirely; there would have been an outcry of grieving people accusing Tali over something Her father did. Is that Justice? No.

Its not like the victim's families don't know how their loved ones died, which could lead to a sense of confusion and paranoia. They died because of the Geth, end of story. Why they died from the Geth is not important overall. They still have an object to point their fingers at, adding to the pile will not solve anything.

Whats stupid, is adding fuel to an already raging fire; that fire being the Quarian/Geth conflict.

[Kid Buu]

This topic should be banned. People are so dead set on their views that arguing is redundant to the point where it will always end in insults. Saphra has already done that.

[Homebound]

so I guess we keep doing the right thing until doing the right thing is hard huh?..

[Kid Buu]

Hellbound555 wrote...

so I guess we keep doing the right thing until doing the right thing is hard huh?..

The `right` thing is subjective. Have you learned nothing?

[Homebound]

Kid Buu wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

so I guess we keep doing the right thing until doing the right thing is hard huh?..

The `right` thing is subjective. Have you learned nothing?

The 'right' thing is to turn in the data. its called a moral compass.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:38 .