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Cthulhu42 wrote...

schemata wrote...


when I first came to this thread, after lurking for a bit and dodging spoilers like a mad man, I came to the conclusion most people here read the script. Further most people read the script and were rather content with what transpired. It sucks cause it seems that with the geth/quarian incident under wraps, and tali pretty much written there just isn't much room for conversation.  Only recently was there dissent! Or dissent I noticed rather. It was Sap, someone I knew nothing about. And he hated the way things turned out, and how the story unfolds. I was all like "nnnoooeess" Ill have to switch canon and find another LI or something.  Then I stopped lurking and these past conversations took place and I got to know sap.  And I have to say- after getting to know his, other opinions, and the fact that he hates how me3 turned out- Im officially more excited now for me3 than I have been since coming to BSN. money

If you think Saphra's bad, wait until you meet Kaiser Shepard. That guy hates everything.

nah, Kaiser isnt as bad as Saph. He just looks at things differently. Saph is just callous.

Unfortunately, there are some who's hearts Tali cannot warm.

[Someone With Mass]

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Tali handles the Graal in ME3. And how she deals with the melee attacks.

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pyramid c-c--combobreaker

@Bent:
By hiding the evidence, we're breeding more pain, more contempt, and hatred towards the quarians and to those who hid it and were involved. You cant just pretend everything's ok with these things.

[BentOrgy]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
If you think Saphra's bad, wait until you meet Kaiser Shepard. That guy hates everything.

At least Kasier and Dean the Young are intellegent in their arguments. I'm not a renegade, and certainly not a Cerberus sympathiser, but they don't irritate me nearly as much as he does.

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whats a Graal?

[schemata]

Pride Demon wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i just dont see why you guys keep trying to defend rael'zorahs actions and letting tali take the fall for it.

She doesn't even take the fall. Shepard uses his amazing gift of speech to the Admirals, Tali isn't exiled, and everybody is happy.

The truth is covered up though. Good thing quarians don't believe in ghosts or I'd fear the Alerai becoming haunted as a result of this despicable injustice.

I doubt that would have happened, haunts for injustices are in the "realm" of innocent deaths, conversely each and every quarian on that ship was a war criminal...

It not like they were innocent naive children led along by "Rael the Evil Overlord of Doom", they were grown up  men and women that knew the risks: they knew what they were doing, they knew it was dangerous for the fleet, they did it anyway...
In fact, in spite of him deliberately circumventing security codes (which any responsible quarian would have reported, but they didn't), a few thought Rael was still being too careful and proposed Tali be told the truth (so she would stop passing up new finds for being too dangerous) to speed up the discovering process even more...

I have both Sheps that revealed or withold the evidence, but even with those who revealed it, I did it because of the "informed decision thing" not because of justice (Renegade cares about the practical thing, not the supposedly right thing)...
And even though we only saw Rael exile, that's only because the whole thing was concived by Koris as a public spectacle to discredit his rivals, I have no reason NOT to believe all the other quarians on that ship were also later exiled (as they were all Rael's accomplices), only with less "frills" because their death have not the same political importance to the admirals...

Just my two cents...

Its a solid two cents and worth sharing for sure.  But were not dealing with "Cents", here. Get it? Ha! Ok not funny.  But I perdict this post to be conviently looked over by the people who don't share in your opinion; rather than reading what your good points are, internalizing it and questioning their morale high ground.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

pyramid c-c--combobreaker

@Bent:
By hiding the evidence, we're breeding more pain, more contempt, and hatred towards the quarians and to those who hid it and were involved. You cant just pretend everything's ok with these things.

No, we're not. That was kinda my whole point. No one really knows what happened there, which is why the Admiralty Board sent Tali and Shep onboard; to find out the truth.

Saying "Tali's father was a monster, and so were all the people who worked with him," will breed far more suffering than saying "Geth were everywhere, but it wasn't anyone's fault." You simply can't hate something you don;t know exists. Because you don't know. By giving the data, they will know. Its cause and effect.

So yes you can. Pretend, and they'll all believe.

[BentOrgy]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Anyway, it'll be interesting to see how Tali handles the Graal in ME3. And how she deals with the melee attacks.

Indeed. I really want to see Tali melee people. No real reason, just because.

With all that pouncing practice, I'm sure she'll do fine.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

pyramid c-c--combobreaker

@Bent:
By hiding the evidence, we're breeding more pain, more contempt, and hatred towards the quarians and to those who hid it and were involved. You cant just pretend everything's ok with these things.

arent we dissolving the very thing your saying were breeding?

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BentOrgy wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

pyramid c-c--combobreaker

@Bent:
By hiding the evidence, we're breeding more pain, more contempt, and hatred towards the quarians and to those who hid it and were involved. You cant just pretend everything's ok with these things.

No, we're not. That was kinda my whole point. No one really knows what happened there, which is why the Admiralty Board sent Tali and Shep onboard; to find out the truth.

Saying "Tali's father was a monster, and so were all the people who worked with him," will breed far more suffering than saying "Geth were everywhere, but it wasn't anyone's fault." You simply can't hate something you don;t know exists. Because you don't know. By giving the data, they will know. Its cause and effect.

So yes you can. Pretend, and they'll all believe.

so blame the geth? see, this is what I mean by my previous post. It just perpetuates violence.

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Cthulhu42 wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

whats a Graal?

It's a new shotgun. Very powerful, apparently.

sounds krogan, maybe even yahg? anyways i dont read the leaked script so i wouldnt know these things.

[Someone With Mass]

Hellbound555 wrote...

whats a Graal?

Krogan shotgun that makes people bleed out.

Has only one shot per clip, but it's meant to be good at a longer range.

[schemata]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
If you think Saphra's bad, wait until you meet Kaiser Shepard. That guy hates everything.

At least Kasier and Dean the Young are intellegent in their arguments. I'm not a renegade, and certainly not a Cerberus sympathiser, but they don't irritate me nearly as much as he does.

I was really talking about who was more negative towards ME3 rather than who was more annoying. Although I don't seem to take quite so much offence at Saphra than most do anyway.

its so hard not too! Especially when he throws around insults just cause. And the whole believeing he's on some higher plane of goodness is annoying too.

[BentOrgy]

Hellbound555 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

pyramid c-c--combobreaker

@Bent:
By hiding the evidence, we're breeding more pain, more contempt, and hatred towards the quarians and to those who hid it and were involved. You cant just pretend everything's ok with these things.

No, we're not. That was kinda my whole point. No one really knows what happened there, which is why the Admiralty Board sent Tali and Shep onboard; to find out the truth.

Saying "Tali's father was a monster, and so were all the people who worked with him," will breed far more suffering than saying "Geth were everywhere, but it wasn't anyone's fault." You simply can't hate something you don;t know exists. Because you don't know. By giving the data, they will know. Its cause and effect.

So yes you can. Pretend, and they'll all believe.

so blame the geth? see, this is what I mean by my previous post. It just perpetuates violence.

Newsflash, they already hate the Geth, and by clarifying that they were a renagade (Heretic.) faction, we can erase that hatred far faster than the other. Are you trying to pick a holes now? You;re way would perpetuate even more violence. Not to mention hatred, suspecion, etc.

Modifié par BentOrgy, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:00 .

[schemata]

Hellbound555 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

pyramid c-c--combobreaker

@Bent:
By hiding the evidence, we're breeding more pain, more contempt, and hatred towards the quarians and to those who hid it and were involved. You cant just pretend everything's ok with these things.

No, we're not. That was kinda my whole point. No one really knows what happened there, which is why the Admiralty Board sent Tali and Shep onboard; to find out the truth.

Saying "Tali's father was a monster, and so were all the people who worked with him," will breed far more suffering than saying "Geth were everywhere, but it wasn't anyone's fault." You simply can't hate something you don;t know exists. Because you don't know. By giving the data, they will know. Its cause and effect.

So yes you can. Pretend, and they'll all believe.

so blame the geth? see, this is what I mean by my previous post. It just perpetuates violence.

Kinda see what your saying, but your also removing the geth from morality aren't you? wouldnt that arguement only work, if they were reformed and didn't try and kill the crew? Kinda saying geth have no choice over their actions right?

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@schem
ya just ignore his crap. sometimes he actually has something to say underneath his backhanded comments.

@cthulhu42
lol its garrus and his cop sniper rifle all over again.

team dextro, dextroing it up since 2004

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:04 .

[schemata]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

schemata wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

BentOrgy wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
If you think Saphra's bad, wait until you meet Kaiser Shepard. That guy hates everything.

At least Kasier and Dean the Young are intellegent in their arguments. I'm not a renegade, and certainly not a Cerberus sympathiser, but they don't irritate me nearly as much as he does.

I was really talking about who was more negative towards ME3 rather than who was more annoying. Although I don't seem to take quite so much offence at Saphra than most do anyway.

its so hard not too! Especially when he throws around insults just cause. And the whole believeing he's on some higher plane of goodness is annoying too.

Eh, he's nothing compared to the "I can't believe Team Dextro are squadmates again in ME3 it's unfair fan-pandering hypocrisy that'll ruin the game!!!!!!111" crowd. Those are the truly annoying ones. I mean, unlike them, he at least has an occasionally valid point.

I can't figure those types out, but I'm not really bothered by them either. Are they mad about another topic, like how other characters turned out and are somehow putting it on garris and tali?  Haters are weird in general. however south park did dive into this phenomenon and rooted out the reduced; true cause of such haters.

http://www.southpark...odes/s15e04-tmi

foul language and hilarity is found inside.

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@bent/Schem

im still not sure what you're trying to say.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

@bent/Schem

im still not sure what you're trying to say.

My new question is about your comment of perpetuating violence towards geth by keeping the datapad, when the geth infact did kill the quarians

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schemata wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

@bent/Schem

im still not sure what you're trying to say.

My new question is about your comment of perpetuating violence towards geth by keeping the datapad, when the geth infact did kill the quarians

well the way I see it, hiding what raelzorah did is the equivalent of setting the timer on a nuclear bomb. from my point of view, giving the admiraltyboard the data and letting the quarians know is the equivalent of defusing said bomb at the cost of some personal grief.

maybe im misunderstanding your points of views but thats how i see the situation.

as far as the geth go, i kinda see where bent is coming from. theyre heretic geth. at the same time, they wouldnt be there if rael didnt ship them in in the first place. and the true geth attack quarians because quarians attack geth 100% of the time when given a choice so the true geth are just reacting to the data they have. sort of a "they hit me so I hit them and vice versa" circular logic thing.

Modifié par Hellbound555, 21 janvier 2012 - 11:22 .