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T.Attwood wrote...

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Remaining in the range of Quarian fingers... Do you think Quarians (and thus Tali) follow senary (base six) algebrical numeration?
One of the main reasons we use the decimal system is that we have ten fingers for counting, after all... So since Quarians have six it would make sense using senary system, at least in my opinion... :P


Hmm, I guess that would make sense. Perhaps, as their culture is based heavily on technology, it is possible they are more accustomed to using a binary system, and maybe have switched to using it all the time. Although, it would make everyday numbers huge in size, e.g. 255 would be represented using 7 digits. Not particularly efficient.


Indeed. An that's another interesting topic... Are we sure they used binary at all in their Geth/computers?
Use of binary numeration in computers is a convention (and a human one at that) nor a rule, since Boolean logic uses two states (true, false) and it was deemed simpler for the early computers to just recognize two current levels (low or 0 and high or 1) we ended up using binary...

But if we assumed their computers were created to recognize, for instance, three states (true, false, NULL) or three current levels (low or 0, intermediate or 1, high or 2) that would mean they used ternary instead of binary in their electronic interfaces...

After all, we tried this too: many early computer were created using ternary numeration, since it's efficient quite as much as binary and it's easy to represent numbers with it, the reason we discarded it was that there was (for us) no real grand improvement in efficiency that would warrant programming the computer to recognize one more current level...

If we assume the Quarians had a reason to do so (ternary is more complex, maybe it helped with the self optimization of the Geth?)... Things could get very interesting... :)

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on earth we get 24 hours because if we count with our thumbs we have 4 fingers each with 3 digits (so 12 in total). A interesting fact

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Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Remaining in the range of Quarian fingers... Do you think Quarians (and thus Tali) follow senary (base six) algebrical numeration?
One of the main reasons we use the decimal system is that we have ten fingers for counting, after all... So since Quarians have six it would make sense using senary system, at least in my opinion... :P


More than Alegbra-1 math really isn't my strong point, but that makes sense to me. Then again if they count their toes they can still reach ten. (the ladies are instructed not to count the little one)


Maybe their little toe is the 'carry' digit! Posted Image

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(double post. BSN servers acting strangely tonight...)

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arne1234 wrote...

on earth we get 24 hours because if we count with our thumbs we have 4 fingers each with 3 digits (so 12 in total). A interesting fact


Interesting indeed...

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(treble post. God, I hate these servers!!!)

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Pride Demon wrote...

Indeed. An that's another interesting topic... Are we sure they used binary at all in their Geth/computers?
Use of binary numeration in computers is a convention (and a human one at that) nor a rule, since Boolean logic uses two states (true, false) and it was deemed simpler for the early computers to just recognize two current levels (low or 0 and high or 1) we ended up using binary...

But if we assumed their computers were created to recognize, for instance, three states (true, false, NULL) or three current levels (low or 0, intermediate or 1, high or 2) that would mean they used ternary instead of binary in their electronic interfaces...

After all, we tried this too: many early computer were created using ternary numeration, since it's efficient quite as much as binary and it's easy to represent numbers with it, the reason we discarded it was that there was (for us) no real grand improvement in efficiency that would warrant programming the computer to recognize one more current level...

If we assume the Quarians had a reason to do so (ternary is more complex, maybe it helped with the self optimization of the Geth?)... Things could get very interesting... :)


As you say, I guess binary is used because it is the efficient, in the same way as 3D graphics prefer triangles.

You do raise an interesting question. I have always wondered how the Geth became "self aware", because if they are using anything like a binary system, then their computers will always be executing a set of instructions. So, regardless of how fast, or how much memory, or the complexity of their AI is, they will never become self aware because when you get down to it, their processors will be executing one instruction after another, and therefore will always be a machine. Thus, perhaps they are using 'Quantum computing', which is nearer (I guess) to how  organic creatures (such as ourselves) function. Maybe it is an unforseen side effect of quantum computing which allowed the Geth to finally become sentient?

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(Quad post!!! The servers seem to be working again now...)

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Quarian's letters and numbers are used in the game. You can extract them with Texmod.

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The numbers are on the right side of the pic, 1 to 0.

If you want to download the font check my signature.

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Gust4v wrote...

Quarian's letters and numbers are used in the game. You can extract them with Texmod.

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The numbers are on the right side of the pic, 1 to 0.

If you want to download the font check my signature.


Nice! The numbers are very interesting! I have just noticed, they have three groups of three (and a zero at the end). The start digit of each group is unique, and then the subsequent two numbers in that group have an additional mark/line.

Regarding the letters, I initially thought they had mapped the alphabet directly onto the human alphabet (cant think of the correct name at the moment) but with one missing. Then I noticed the tiny 'i' squashed up between 'h' and 'j'. So it actually *is* a direct mapping.

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Yup, and they are very curvy, like Tali.

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Also, Tali's name looks very sweet in Khelish:
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T.Attwood wrote...

1) @phantomspectre. That is one heck of a list! Did you remember all those things from memory? I think I will have to play through ME2 again as I don't remember most of those. Something you could add to the list, is; whether you invited Tali to the 'card game' aboard the Normandy (yeah, saving the Galaxy will depend on whether you did or not!!).

2) Seriously though, regarding the article, it sounds like Bioware are adding a lot of weight to past choices, which is great! I think it shows the work that is being put into, (I read somewhere), "deeper relationships with the characters". It hopefully means that there will be many more choices that have an effect on relationships and the outcome of the story in ME3. I always felt things were limited on the ME1 and ME2, where you only had three main outcomes, i.e. recruiting them, making them loyal, getting them to upgrade the ship. Improving on this aspect can only mean good things...

3) (Edit: Other variables; how you treated the other quarians on the citadel, (remember Mr 'credit chit'), and other locations).


1) Yeah, all from memory. I guess you could say I play too much.
Then again I just finished ME2 playthrough about a week ago, so it's not that long time to remember.:lol:

2) I have been waiting that your past actions would actually mean something and now they are seemingly finally doing it. And it's about time, when you think ME3 is last game of Shep story.

3) Hey, I did mention that one. It was part of number 6. I was just too lazy to start to think of how all these different "help Quarian mission" would possible help or other way effect things. That's why I just but it in simple form. Anyway now that I think about it, there are 4 different "help Quarian mission".

1. Kenn on Omega: Now effects on Tali, because she is not there. Hmm, well never tried what would Tali say if she would be there, when you that mission. Also no any potical effect, if that Kenn kid doesn't turn out to be some son of Quarian captain.

2. Citadel Quarian: Tali does have few "nice" words with that Volus. But only real good I can think of this one is that when Tali is there, it shows that you not only care for her, but Quarian in general. Your Shep looks good in her eyes.

3. Illium Quarian: shows again that Shep is ready to help Quarians in general and Tali should be happier. But there is also more in this one. If you used Paragon/Renegade option to persuade synthetic insight to take that Quarian, it could possible make Migrant fleet a new customer for Synthetic insight, which would greatly benefit both parties. After all none else than Quarian know more about Synthetic AI research and company would benefit from largest fleet in the galaxy as customer. (Now would this particular mission really cause anything in ME3? No, but you can always speculate.)

4. Last and possible the most important one, Quarian crash site assignment: Now this one seems to be one of those simple and fast "just to put some content in the game" mission, but it could have more importance. Addition that normal "HQM and Tali's opinion about Shep increases, there is also that part of its been great thing for the whole Quarian race. After all that wreckage was Cyniad, which is part of Idenna space ship. Why this could be even remotely important is that we know the history of Idenna and Cerberus (if not from novels, then Tali tells you that if you ask in one point). So, by helping to find that wreckage and saving survivor, you have shown all the Quarians that you're helping them, even if you're working with Cerberus.

So, it would further show them that you're not Cerberus side. Also this help you provided could affect political issues in Quarian fleet. (Not likely, but it could). How? The way I see it, is that Idenna is important ship for all the Quarian. Well not the ship actually, but the story of it, because Cerberus attacked in there. Anyway, my point is that this could have some political value. If you could get captain of Idenna at your side in peace (and why not with war too) question, it could affect other ships too. Now will something like this happen or would this mission have that much effect in ME3? I don't think so, well at least not this political aspect.)

What could matter is that Idenna was searching new homeworld for Quarians. Yes, in the light of Rannoch being in ME3, this doesn't look that important, but it's not guaranteered that Quarians would get their Homeworld back, especially if Reapers had already took it. It could be so destroyed again that Quarians wouldn't be able to live in there. And if not Reaper issue, then there is always Geth and especially Heretic Geth issue. (I think that there will be some Heretics left, even if you rewrited them). But all in all, it's possible that Quarian can't get their homeworld back or that they can't inhabit it right away. That's why they might need a new world and possible new homeworld and Idenna is important in this one.

And it doesn't even be permanent home at all. Idenna could found a new planet, which Quarian could inhabit and in time to live without masks. This world could just work as refugee planet, something where Quarians can leave their Children, old people and all other who wouldn't participate in war. That way no civilian would be in danger, when/if fleet goes in to war. Yeah, might sound far-fetched, but let's face it. If Reapers (and possible Geth in their side) are on Rannoch )like it seems with some of game paly footage we have seen) there is just no way Quarians can inhabit or leave civilians in there before this Reaper war is over. So, temporary planet would be better.


Now, would any of what I have just written really matters or happen even remotely like i put it in ME3? Most likely not. But you can always speculate and write posts. :wizard:

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 02 juillet 2011 - 01:02 .


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quarian letters/numbers seem too ornate to be practical to me. its like u need some kind of paintbrush to write them. am i alone in this?

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PhantomSpectre wrote...

*snip*
9. Tali's trial.
a) Did you even do it at all: If not, it's sure doesn't make Tali happy at you, I can say that. (Actually we don't even know how Tali's trial would go that way. Heck she could even die on Alarei all we know if you won't help her.)
*snip*

If you talk to Tali again after she first tells you she needs to go to he Migrant Fleet, she mentions that if she takes too long to get there they will find her guilty in absentina. Based on this, I think it's likely that not doing her Loyalty Mission and having her alive at the end of Mass Effect 2 will result in her being exiled in ME3.

PhantomSpectre wrote...

*snip*
Kenn on Omega: Now effects on Tali, because she is not there. Hmm, well never tried what would Tali say if she would be there, when you that mission.
*snip*

Strangely, Tali doesn't say anything if she's in your squad while you're helping out Kenn.

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remember the good ole days?

everyone loved the cute nerdy engineer with a shotgun, what happened to that?

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Hellbound555 wrote...

quarian letters/numbers seem too ornate to be practical to me. its like u need some kind of paintbrush to write them. am i alone in this?


I think that it's matter of perspective. I mean those letters/number does remind me of Arab. I don't really see Arab being practical to write, but to those who uses it daily basis or that it's their native language, it's normal and practical. It's most likely same thing here. It's easy and normal for Quarians, but others doesn't see it that way.

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[quote]Capt_Flashheart wrote...

[quote]PhantomSpectre wrote...

*snip*
9. Tali's trial.
a) Did you even do it at all: If not, it's sure doesn't make Tali happy at you, I can say that. (Actually we don't even know how Tali's trial would go that way. Heck she could even die on Alarei all we know if you won't help her.)
*snip*[/quote]
If you talk to Tali again after she first tells you she needs to go to he Migrant Fleet, she mentions that if she takes too long to get there they will find her guilty in absentina. Based on this, I think it's likely that not doing her Loyalty Mission and having her alive at the end of Mass Effect 2 will result in her being exiled in ME3.[/quote]

Well I didn't know that, never let it get that close, I guess. But does that mean that if you won't do Tali's loyalty mission, Tali is automatically exiled? Then again what is this "too long time" she mentioned. Because it could be the same as it was with Tali's pilgrimage in ME1. Without giving that data, she did found something else, which was never mentioned. So, it's possible that Tali just goes her trial alone after mission is over. Well if she is alive, because Tali does have one of the highest possibilities to die during SM, especially if not loyal.

[quote]PhantomSpectre wrote...

*snip*
Kenn on Omega: Now effects on Tali, because she is not there. Hmm, well never tried what would Tali say if she would be there, when you that mission.
*snip*[/quote]
Strangely, Tali doesn't say anything if she's in your squad while you're helping out Kenn.
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Hmm, well maybe it's because that mission was not meant to wait for Tali being in your group. Then again if they had originally meant that Tali and even Legion would have been recruitable much earlier, it doesn't explain Tali's silence then.

Oh well it doesn't really matter.

Modifié par PhantomSpectre, 02 juillet 2011 - 02:27 .


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oh hey, a new gif for tali!
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PhantomSpectre wrote...

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

*snip*
9. Tali's trial.
a) Did you even do it at all: If not, it's sure doesn't make Tali happy at you, I can say that. (Actually we don't even know how Tali's trial would go that way. Heck she could even die on Alarei all we know if you won't help her.)
*snip*

If you talk to Tali again after she first tells you she needs to go to he Migrant Fleet, she mentions that if she takes too long to get there they will find her guilty in absentina. Based on this, I think it's likely that not doing her Loyalty Mission and having her alive at the end of Mass Effect 2 will result in her being exiled in ME3.


Well I didn't know that, never let it get that close, I guess. But does that mean that if you won't do Tali's loyalty mission, Tali is automatically exiled? Then again what is this "too long time" she mentioned. Because it could be the same as it was with Tali's pilgrimage in ME1. Without giving that data, she did found something else, which was never mentioned. So, it's possible that Tali just goes her trial alone after mission is over. Well if she is alive, because Tali does have one of the highest possibilities to die during SM, especially if not loyal.

It's probable that if Tali takes too long to get to her trial, the Admirals will decide to destroy the lab ship Tali's father was working on. In this senario, there is no chance for her to redeem herself and without Shepard there to help Tali convince the Admirals she's innocent, they will probably find her guilty and exile her.

I think it's highly unlikely that not doing Tal's LM will result in her being killed off screen between ME2 and ME3, and even less likely that Tali will avoid exile if she goes to her trial without Shepard.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

oh hey, a new gif for tali!
http://img19.imagesh...0/cuddlegif.gif


Hmm, seeing moving gif from that scene always reminds me of this vid.



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Capt_Flashheart wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Well I didn't know that, never let it get that close, I guess. But does that mean that if you won't do Tali's loyalty mission, Tali is automatically exiled? Then again what is this "too long time" she mentioned. Because it could be the same as it was with Tali's pilgrimage in ME1. Without giving that data, she did found something else, which was never mentioned. So, it's possible that Tali just goes her trial alone after mission is over. Well if she is alive, because Tali does have one of the highest possibilities to die during SM, especially if not loyal.

It's probable that if Tali takes too long to get to her trial, the Admirals will decide to destroy the lab ship Tali's father was working on. In this senario, there is no chance for her to redeem herself and without Shepard there to help Tali convince the Admirals she's innocent, they will probably find her guilty and exile her.

I think it's highly unlikely that not doing Tal's LM will result in her being killed off screen between ME2 and ME3, and even less likely that Tali will avoid exile if she goes to her trial without Shepard.


Well now that you put it that way, then yeah it looks more than likely that Tali is exiled if you won't help her. And that sure won't make Tali happy at all. Then again, all she know is that she could have get exiled even if she would have been on that trial, so it might not be that bad. Also you can always do that LM after SM is over. So, problem solved.

And yeah, chances for Tali dying as default choice if you don't do her trial at all are meager. That would be quite stupid choice from BW.

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Hellbound555 wrote...

oh hey, a new gif for tali!
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Dat Tali snuggle!

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Hellbound555 wrote...

quarian letters/numbers seem too ornate to be practical to me. its like u need some kind of paintbrush to write them. am i alone in this?

Well, that depends of the font.
And in ME you only need to press buttons.

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Hmm, seeing moving gif from that scene always reminds me of this vid.



Yeah, both were made by the same person.

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Gust4v wrote...

PhantomSpectre wrote...
Hmm, seeing moving gif from that scene always reminds me of this vid.



Yeah, both were made by the same person.


Really? Lol, I didn't know that. But it makes sense now.

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Somebody mod the game so Tali can do the strip tease dance-thing.
Please?