Then again, Jacob being a total ****** is hardly something new.
If some group had attacked my friends and then a member of that group tried to keep a nice smile in front of me while pretending like there's nothing wrong, I'd tell that person to f**k off and never bother me again. So Tali did pretty good in that scene.
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#12977
Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 04:55
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Someone With Mass wrote...
Then again, Jacob being a total ****** is hardly something new.
If some group had attacked my friends and then a member of that group tried to keep a nice smile in front of me while pretending like there's nothing wrong, I'd tell that person to f**k off and never bother me again. So Tali did pretty good in that scene.
Actually now that you mention it... That was a bit silly of jacob to provoke tali like that. Perhaps its because he doesn't know much about quarians? That would probably explain why he decided to drop the bomb like that.
Conversely, if he did know, that makes him out to be a jerk in that scene. At least it puts some life in him though.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 04:59
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Someone With Mass wrote...
Then again, Jacob being a total ****** is hardly something new.
If some group had attacked my friends and then a member of that group tried to keep a nice smile in front of me while pretending like there's nothing wrong, I'd tell that person to f**k off and never bother me again. So Tali did pretty good in that scene.
Well she was still a dick to Jacob, guy had nothing to do with that attack, so she deserved that a little.
Plus, it's one of the very few good moments with Jacob.
Best and most subtle middle finger, EVER!
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:02
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Don't be a douche.Nashiktal wrote...
Arcian wrote...
Your bias is talking. She was quite the b!tch in that introductory section on the Normandy, contrary to how she was otherwise portrayed in ME2. Jacob was trying to be nice and welcome her, and she just insulted him. People keep thinking him mentioning EDI was a jab at her sour attitude, but in actuality he was probably just forewarning her about the presence of an AI on the ship since Shepard was too much of an ass to tell her him/herself. Jacob's simply that much of a bro - he doesn't let some pissy attitude get him down.Nashiktal wrote...
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Sorry to everyone for beating this topic to death. Here we go:
Sometimes, I wish this were possible. Either for my Shep, or for Tali.
As much as I like Tali and dislike Jacob, she deserved that there.
Deserved what? It was quite unfair for Tali to get jumped with that information without her knowledge, and hell I thought she took it rather well. (WAY too well in my opinion)
Especially considering what cerberus did, she's been quite polite.
Anyway, her behaviour in that scene was completely and utterly inexcusable.
Bias? Ah its arcian never mind.
Not in THAT SCENE. In every other scene in ME2, then I would wholeheartedly agree with you - especially when you ask her down in engineering and she says she's gotten along well with everyone even though they're Cerberus. That's the polite Tali - the one being introduced by Jacob is not.Nashiktal wrote...
In any case even jacob acknowleges that cerberus has done some terrible things and he has his own guilt trips about it. Considering what cerberus did to the quarians (and how quarians are about safety and community) she has been starkingly polite considering any other time tali or other quarians would simply have shot cerberus and be done with it.
What you exhibited was NOT critical thinking, more like anti-critical thinking. The way you said it makes it sound like Tali's incapable of doing something wrong or that all of her actions are rational and totally justified, which is just untrue. She's a flawed being just like everyone else, and her behavior towards Jacob was just rude and out of line.Nashiktal wrote...
Its called critical thinking Arcian, try it sometime.
When you're defending actions that were blatantly b!tchy, I have no choice but to assume that you're biased.Nashiktal wrote...
Its not always becase people who post on the tali forum have a bias.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:03
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Yes, my bad, I forgot to mention that trolling and anti-trolling has a tendency to bloat these threads.Nashiktal wrote...
Arcian wrote...
The fact that it advances by 20 pages is not a good thing, that just means people are gushing about sameoldsameold and/or reposting the same images 4000 times. This goes for every support thread in the character section - even my own Prothy one, even if that has yet to reach critical levels (but that day will come, eventually).XenoAlbedo wrote...
When I was online yesterday, this thread only advanced by 2 pages. Overnight it advances by 20. I hate my timezone...
What every single support group on this site fails to grasp is that if there's nothing important or new to talk about, it's better to not say anything. People are way too willing to waste words and fill up threads with nonsense.
In this case the twenty or so pages came from a bit of trolling (arguing with said trolls) and heavy debate about Tali's father, and discussion about spoilers from ME3 involving the resolution of the geth and quarian conflict.
There was actually a suprisingly lack of pics being posted during the twenty pages.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:06
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Mesina2 wrote...
Someone With Mass wrote...
Then again, Jacob being a total ****** is hardly something new.
If some group had attacked my friends and then a member of that group tried to keep a nice smile in front of me while pretending like there's nothing wrong, I'd tell that person to f**k off and never bother me again. So Tali did pretty good in that scene.
Well she was still a dick to Jacob, guy had nothing to do with that attack, so she deserved that a little.
Plus, it's one of the very few good moments with Jacob.
Best and most subtle middle finger, EVER!
Jacob is the only one that doesn't take **** from Shepard, if she is too rude, jerk or offensive he simply tell her to go to hell, like a normal person would do.
He's not THAT bad actually because of this.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:07
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Hmm... Rude? Yes. Out of line? No, I disagree.
It wasn't very mature of Jacob to fire back, though.A clear lack of empathy regarding the scale of Cerberus's antagonism to the Migrant Fleet.
But really, you can't say that Tali was just plain friendly with Jacob in the scene.
It wasn't very mature of Jacob to fire back, though.A clear lack of empathy regarding the scale of Cerberus's antagonism to the Migrant Fleet.
But really, you can't say that Tali was just plain friendly with Jacob in the scene.
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I see your points in all of these. I just like coming to this thread due to some of things people say. I know it's not all good, but I like some of it. As for pictures used over and over, I'm actually working on my own.Arcian wrote...
Yes, my bad, I forgot to mention that trolling and anti-trolling has a tendency to bloat these threads.Nashiktal wrote...
Arcian wrote...
The fact that it advances by 20 pages is not a good thing, that just means people are gushing about sameoldsameold and/or reposting the same images 4000 times. This goes for every support thread in the character section - even my own Prothy one, even if that has yet to reach critical levels (but that day will come, eventually).XenoAlbedo wrote...
When I was online yesterday, this thread only advanced by 2 pages. Overnight it advances by 20. I hate my timezone...
What every single support group on this site fails to grasp is that if there's nothing important or new to talk about, it's better to not say anything. People are way too willing to waste words and fill up threads with nonsense.
In this case the twenty or so pages came from a bit of trolling (arguing with said trolls) and heavy debate about Tali's father, and discussion about spoilers from ME3 involving the resolution of the geth and quarian conflict.
There was actually a suprisingly lack of pics being posted during the twenty pages.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:09
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brfritos wrote....
I've learned on these forums that half of the squadmates across the Mass Effect series are the ONLY person in the crew that won't take **** from Shepard.
#12985
Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:16
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brfritos wrote...
Jacob is the only one that doesn't take **** from Shepard, if she is too rude, jerk or offensive he simply tell her to go to hell, like a normal person would do.
He's not THAT bad actually because of this.
Check my post on previous page.
I dislike Jacob and that's one of the many reasons.
But that scene with Tali was one of his rare shiny moments of glory, so to speak.
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One thing you should know about me is that I am severely colored by the Tali threads of the olden days, when the mindless masses could fill threads up to 5500 pages in just a few days. The same pictures were reposted to the point of becoming cancerous, and the usage of "dat ass" aged faster than the villain in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when he drank from the wrong grail.XenoAlbedo wrote...
I see your points in all of these. I just like coming to this thread due to some of things people say. I know it's not all good, but I like some of it. As for pictures used over and over, I'm actually working on my own.Arcian wrote...
Yes, my bad, I forgot to mention that trolling and anti-trolling has a tendency to bloat these threads.Nashiktal wrote...
Arcian wrote...
The fact that it advances by 20 pages is not a good thing, that just means people are gushing about sameoldsameold and/or reposting the same images 4000 times. This goes for every support thread in the character section - even my own Prothy one, even if that has yet to reach critical levels (but that day will come, eventually).XenoAlbedo wrote...
When I was online yesterday, this thread only advanced by 2 pages. Overnight it advances by 20. I hate my timezone...
What every single support group on this site fails to grasp is that if there's nothing important or new to talk about, it's better to not say anything. People are way too willing to waste words and fill up threads with nonsense.
In this case the twenty or so pages came from a bit of trolling (arguing with said trolls) and heavy debate about Tali's father, and discussion about spoilers from ME3 involving the resolution of the geth and quarian conflict.
There was actually a suprisingly lack of pics being posted during the twenty pages.
Imagine taking 100 different youtube clips and opening them in 100 separate tabs all at once - that's how those threads were. Utter and total chaos.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:30
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One thing you should know about me is that I am severely colored by the Tali threads of the olden days, when the mindless masses could fill threads up to 5500 pages in just a few days. The same pictures were reposted to the point of becoming cancerous, and the usage of "dat ass" aged faster than the villain in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade when he drank from the wrong grail.XenoAlbedo wrote...
I see your points in all of these. I just like coming to this thread due to some of things people say. I know it's not all good, but I like some of it. As for pictures used over and over, I'm actually working on my own.Arcian wrote...
Yes, my bad, I forgot to mention that trolling and anti-trolling has a tendency to bloat these threads.Nashiktal wrote...
Arcian wrote...
The fact that it advances by 20 pages is not a good thing, that just means people are gushing about sameoldsameold and/or reposting the same images 4000 times. This goes for every support thread in the character section - even my own Prothy one, even if that has yet to reach critical levels (but that day will come, eventually).XenoAlbedo wrote...
When I was online yesterday, this thread only advanced by 2 pages. Overnight it advances by 20. I hate my timezone...
What every single support group on this site fails to grasp is that if there's nothing important or new to talk about, it's better to not say anything. People are way too willing to waste words and fill up threads with nonsense.
In this case the twenty or so pages came from a bit of trolling (arguing with said trolls) and heavy debate about Tali's father, and discussion about spoilers from ME3 involving the resolution of the geth and quarian conflict.
There was actually a suprisingly lack of pics being posted during the twenty pages.
Imagine taking 100 different youtube clips and opening them in 100 separate tabs all at once - that's how those threads were. Utter and total chaos.
Which come to think of it was wierd for a rather minor squadmate back in the ME1 days.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:38
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I would have backed Jacob at that point. Okay Cerberus did attack the Quarians but Jacob wasn't part of it. What do you expect him to do? I'll tell you, he can't do nothing so he just took what she said and tried to show his not a threat. Plus I think he only mentioned the AI so she doesn't go crazy later.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:55
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Or so she doesn't start to panic thinking the ship's systems has been invaded by a hostile AI.BatmanPWNS wrote...
I would have backed Jacob at that point. Okay Cerberus did attack the Quarians but Jacob wasn't part of it. What do you expect him to do? I'll tell you, he can't do nothing so he just took what she said and tried to show his not a threat. Plus I think he only mentioned the AI so she doesn't go crazy later.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 05:55
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BatmanPWNS wrote...
I would have backed Jacob at that point. Okay Cerberus did attack the Quarians but Jacob wasn't part of it. What do you expect him to do? I'll tell you, he can't do nothing so he just took what she said and tried to show his not a threat. Plus I think he only mentioned the AI so she doesn't go crazy later.
If he was doing it to warn her ahead of time he would not have told her in that fashion. Which means he was either ignorant, or trying to provoke her/one last parting shot.
Also jacob being a part of cerberus means he gets their reputation. Cerberus has created monsters, assasinated important figures, committed terrorist acts, all sorts of morally black things. Jacob joined the organization, he accepts their reputation.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:01
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This will be my last reply to you, because you've proven yourself to be little more than a parasite who feeds on irritating other people, hiding behind a thin layer of "I'm just expressing myself."
Up yours too, buddy.
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I'm not really contradicting myself;
You sound so guilty and I think you know it.
You do not know that revealing the data will lead to a cycle of hatred or that it will lead to anything. I'd say that leaving the truth buried will let the quarians' firey politics continue to boil over until they reach breaking point. Letting the truth come out puts everything on the table so they can make an informed decision. Considering what they are up against they need to make an informed decision. That means having all the facts and then judging what they should do.
They should know what Rael did and why.
The victims (families) deserve to know who was responsible for the deaths of the people on board. It is respectful to the surviving families and to the victims themselves.
Hiding the truth to avoid rocking the boat is cowardly and arrogant.
...and no, they were not all war criminals. The only criminals would be Rael and the immediate officers under him who ordered that the research be carried out and how. The little people just following orders and doing their little part are guilty of nothing except having a bad boss.
I wonder, where you against Wikileaks letting slip the American secrets last year? Same deal.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:02
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Hmm... Rude? Yes. Out of line? No, I disagree.
It wasn't very mature of Jacob to fire back, though.A clear lack of empathy regarding the scale of Cerberus's antagonism to the Migrant Fleet.
But really, you can't say that Tali was just plain friendly with Jacob in the scene.
Nashiktal wrote...
If he was doing it to warn her ahead of
time he would not have told her in that fashion. Which means he was
either ignorant, or trying to provoke her/one last parting shot.
Or he was just doing his job and you are reading way too much into that scene.
Jacob welcomes her aboard, Tali blows him off and starts to leave, so Jacob warns her about EDI.
I don't think there was any malicious intent on his part nor was there any ignorance. He did not "fire back" anything.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:05
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I doubt that would have happened, haunts for injustices are in the "realm" of innocent deaths, conversely each and every quarian on that ship was a war criminal...
No they weren't. Most of them would have been low ranking people tasked with very specific jobs with no real knowledge of the whole project and certainly no authority over it. They were just following orders and wouldn't be aware of any wrongdoing.
The guily people are Rael and the officers immediately under him.
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(Renegade cares about the practical thing, not the supposedly right thing)...
Indeed, but the self-righteous Paragons seem to care more about the "practical" or "easy" thing than the right thing too. You are a scummy and hypocritical bunch.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:06
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Arcian wrote...
Or so she doesn't start to panic thinking the ship's systems has been invaded by a hostile AI.BatmanPWNS wrote...
I would have backed Jacob at that point. Okay Cerberus did attack the Quarians but Jacob wasn't part of it. What do you expect him to do? I'll tell you, he can't do nothing so he just took what she said and tried to show his not a threat. Plus I think he only mentioned the AI so she doesn't go crazy later.
That too.
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See, people, Saphra gets it.Saphra Deden wrote...
Atemeus wrote...
Hmm... Rude? Yes. Out of line? No, I disagree.
It wasn't very mature of Jacob to fire back, though.A clear lack of empathy regarding the scale of Cerberus's antagonism to the Migrant Fleet.
But really, you can't say that Tali was just plain friendly with Jacob in the scene.Nashiktal wrote...
If he was doing it to warn her ahead of
time he would not have told her in that fashion. Which means he was
either ignorant, or trying to provoke her/one last parting shot.
Or he was just doing his job and you are reading way too much into that scene.
Jacob welcomes her aboard, Tali blows him off and starts to leave, so Jacob warns her about EDI.
I don't think there was any malicious intent on his part nor was there any ignorance. He did not "fire back" anything.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:22
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^True that, but I still have feeling he fired back.
And why not post some Tali picture?
Almost on top:
WTF?!
Did some posts got deleted?!
Almost on top:
WTF?!
Did some posts got deleted?!
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:34
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Yes, some off-topic discussion and spam was removed. Some bans were handed out and some warnings given. Please stay on topic, folks, and remember to be excellent to each other.Mesina2 wrote...
Did some posts got deleted?!
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:35
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Mesina2 wrote...
brfritos wrote...
Jacob is the only one that doesn't take **** from Shepard, if she is too rude, jerk or offensive he simply tell her to go to hell, like a normal person would do.
He's not THAT bad actually because of this.
Check my post on previous page.
I dislike Jacob and that's one of the many reasons.
But that scene with Tali was one of his rare shiny moments of glory, so to speak.
I dunno, one of the best moments of Jacob and Jack for me is when Shepard try to be a smart a** and get uterlly screwed.
I mean, he really talk a lot of things to the squad that can only be described as "what the hell are you talking about?!".
Concerning Tali, I hope she come back more stronger in ME3, after all, she had a lot of experiences since the first time she met Shepard.
I'm replaying ME1 and had forgoten how good she's after her powers are developed and you get armors with good shields for her.
I'm playing as a Vanguard with Wrex and her as squadmates, terrific duo.
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 06:53
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For my Soldier in ME1 (which is also my canon Shep), Tali and Wrex were pretty much my main squad for the entire gamebrfritos wrote...
I'm playing as a Vanguard with Wrex and her as squadmates, terrific duo.
About the only time I alternated the squad order was on Noveria and the Ilos/Endgame run (where I switched out Wrex for Liara, for story reasons) plus a few select side missions like Garrus's side mission with Dr Saleon. (as much as I love Garrus as a character, he was a bit squishy in ME1 compared to Tali for some reason, plus he didn't have access to AI Hacking)
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Posté 21 janvier 2012 - 07:04
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Tali/wrex and ashley/wrex were my main squad in ME1 depending on my class. Absolute terror were they.
