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[AVPen]

Saphra Deden wrote...

My problem with Tali in ME3 is that ME3 is wheres he should really shine, but because of ME2 her role has to be optional. It's unfortunate because in ME2 Tali isn't really necessary for the plot anyway. So in some ways she was wasted.

I hate to break it to you, but none of the characters were necessary to the plot of ME2 (save for maybe Miranda and Mordin, but even that's debatable) -  that doesn't mean that the ones who were included in the story were wasted by appearing in it.

Modifié par AVPen, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:01 .

[Pride Demon]

Nashiktal wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...


I doubt that would have happened, haunts for injustices are in the "realm" of innocent deaths, conversely each and every quarian on that ship was a war criminal...

I disagree with this statement. We cannot treat the geth like we treat other living being under the (galactic equivilent) of war crimes. They feel no pain, have no ( or underdeveloped) emotions, they have no bodies (so even testing weapons on them isn't technically testing weapons on prisoners) and the geth as someone pointed out considers brainwashing (I.E. hacking) the organic equivilent of persuasion, and that it is racist to judge by our standards.

Now I would consider then criminals to the quarian fleet for endangering their people by recklessly abandoning saftey measures and somehow letting all those geth gain bodies to begin with, but I don't think they were commiting war crimes.

I see what you mean, I was not expressing a specific opinion there, I was talking generals...
What I was implying is that many people painted Rael as a war criminal and everyone else on the Alarei as innocents, while actually, if Rael is a war criminal, they are just the same...

Whether one actually thinks he is one or not was not the point I intended to debate, if that's what it seemed then I let out the wrong impression, I was merely stating everyone on the Alarei is just as guilty as Rael given the circumstances...

EDIT:

Saphra Deden wrote...
No they weren't. Most of them would have been low ranking people tasked
with very specific jobs with no real knowledge of the whole project and
certainly no authority over it. They were just following orders and
wouldn't be aware of any wrongdoing.

The guily people are Rael and the officers immediately under him.

All the recordings we saw in the game clearly hint at the people there knowing what they were doing, that's all we have as proof... Besides, I seriously doubt a science ship would house people unaware of what they are working on, what kind of scientist makes experiments without knowing what he/she is doing? In fact how can one make an experiment and get valid results from it without knowing what he/she is working on?

They had to at least know they were working on active Geth to test the new viral attacks they were developing, that's for sure...
Unfortunately, regardless of whether you think that's right or wrong, that alone can warrant an exile for risking the fleet safety, at least from what I understand...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Indeed, but the self-righteous Paragons seem to care more about the
"practical" or "easy" thing than the right thing too. You are a scummy
and hypocritical bunch.

Since I also have ReneSheps I hardly depict myself as a diehard Paragon...
And my statement was not judgemental, it was my personal idea of what a renegade is all about, you clearly think a renegade is something else...
In fact, I even wrote "supposedly" next  to "right thing" to get this point across, as to a renegade his/her way of doing stuff would be the "right thing", if they thought otherwise they would act differently, right?

No problems however, that's just my opinion, no one has to agree on everything...

Saphra Deden wrote...
My problem with Tali in ME3 is that ME3 is wheres he should really
shine, but because of ME2 her role has to be optional. It's unfortunate
because in ME2 Tali isn't really necessary for the plot anyway. So in
some ways she was wasted.

Agreed.

Modifié par Pride Demon, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:32 .

[upsettingshorts]

hahaha just saw this on Tumblr

[inappropriate image removed]

I like the "Sin City-esque" usage of color, this is my favorite helmetless Tali art I think

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:46 .

[Nashiktal]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

hahaha just saw this on Tumblr

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I like the "Sin City-esque" usage of color, this is my favorite helmetless Tali art I think

Careful, the mods are in a banhappy mood today due to all the spamming, we've already been through that image and stanley deleted it.

I don't care about the image, but I would probably take it down if you don't want the mods attention.

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

All the recordings we saw in the game clearly hint at the people there knowing what they were doing,

There are what, three or four recordings? Possibly of the same few people? Don't be ridiculous. That was a big ship.

Most of the people working there didn't need to have known anything at all.

Like for example, the person who sorts the geth parts brought on board. The guards. The people who manage the clean rooms. The people responsible for repairing geth parts. The people who piloted the ship, who managed the endgines, ect, ect...

You are trying too hard to asuage your guilty conscience.

Don't metagame Shapra. You invent a narrative to negate what the game clearly shows us, it may be right or wrong, but the game clearly shows otherwise, only the devs could clarify beyond what we saw...
Besides, Rael was an admiral, he could requisition an entire science ship for himself after all, if you have something in your hands of the caliber of what Rael was working on, you don't bother to call people there just to keep them in the dark, too many risks for security...
You keep a close enturage of skilled people who are in the know, but who you know would not blow the whistle...

Also, quarians are not ants, it's not like they specialize to the exclusion of all else, can't you imagine the chaos otherwise? "can you help me here?" "can''t it wait for a bit, I'm in the middle of piloting the ship..." XD
Besised if you ever saw a scientist at work on something important you know they don't let outside unknowing hands meddle in anything: cataloguing, testing and experimenting are all done by staff and assistants who know what's going on...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 21 janvier 2012 - 08:58 .

[upsettingshorts]

Nashiktal wrote...

Careful, the mods are in a banhappy mood today due to all the spamming, we've already been through that image and stanley deleted it.

I don't care about the image, but I would probably take it down if you don't want the mods attention.

I don't believe it constitutes a rule violation, however the Bioware Social Network rules specify that the authority to determine what constitutes spam lies with the moderators and moderators alone - so it's up to Woo.

It's black humor, you either think it's funny or you don't.  I think it's hilarious, in a Gordian Knot sort of way:  Solves the problem of fretting over precisely what her face looks like by blowing it off.

But it's not going to cause me any restless nights if other people aren't laughing along with me.

[slimgrin]

Heh, that pic is pretty damn funny.

[AVPen]

Nashiktal wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

hahaha just saw this on Tumblr



I like the "Sin City-esque" usage of color, this is my favorite helmetless Tali art I think

Careful, the mods are in a banhappy mood today due to all the spamming, we've already been through that image and stanley deleted it.

I don't care about the image, but I would probably take it down if you don't want the mods attention.

Same damn image that that troll posted yesterday <_< it's been reported.

Modifié par AVPen, 21 janvier 2012 - 09:13 .

[Ron87]

slimgrin wrote...

Heh, that pic is pretty damn funny.

...Except it serves absolutely no purpose in the discussions here and will only infuriate fans of Tali and the moderators.

[Xewaka]

Ron87 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...
Heh, that pic is pretty damn funny.

...Except it serves absolutely no purpose in the discussions here and will only infuriate fans of Tali and the moderators.

I still think the caption is funny.

[Nashiktal]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Careful, the mods are in a banhappy mood today due to all the spamming, we've already been through that image and stanley deleted it.

I don't care about the image, but I would probably take it down if you don't want the mods attention.

I don't believe it constitutes a rule violation, however the Bioware Social Network rules specify that the authority to determine what constitutes spam lies with the moderators and moderators alone - so it's up to Woo.

It's black humor, you either think it's funny or you don't.  I think it's hilarious, in a Gordian Knot sort of way:  Solves the problem of fretting over precisely what her face looks like by blowing it off.

But it's not going to cause me any restless nights if other people aren't laughing along with me.

I didn't say anything about the image being funny or not, I was just giving you a headsup about the fact woo already sent out warnings about that image before and deleted it.

He's probably not in a good mood with all that spam that hit the main boards this morning.

[Rip504]

So what news of Tali in ME3 have I missed?

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Don't metagame Shapra. You invent a narrative to negate what the game clearly shows us, it may be right or wrong,

Of-course, excuse me. How could I be so stupid?

I never meant to even imply that, sorry if I gave that impression...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Every janitor, security guard, pilot, cook, mechanic, and engineer knew what was going on.

Well, the Alarei is not a normal ship which just happens to have labs in it, it's a "lab ship": its whole purpose is housing scientists to reserch stuff...

So, like I said, if you ever saw the workplace of a scientist working on something big, you know most of the staff there has specific cleareance, but all those who have any way of accessing the labs (and the Alarei is one giant lab in and of itself), are at least aware enough of what's going on as to be capable of giving a cursory explanation of it, and especially knowing what not to touch, otherwise you'll have Joe McUnawareJanitor constantly wondering what's ok for him to take/touch while cleaning...

Also, like I said, quarians are not ants, they can multitask: I find it unlikely that a species as concerned with efficiency as the quarians would tolerate a person only capable of doing one single thing, their skills are rarified enough as it is for one to be pilot to exclusion of all else, one scientist to the exclusion of all else, etc...

Even if you are right, why would Rael keep around potential information weak points by allowing fellows not strictly involved in the project to simply loiter about, when someone who is involved can do the same AND be almost guaranteed to keep its mouth shut, since he/she is involved?

That's how I see it anyway...

Saphra Deden wrote...
Seriously, you need to take a step back and actually look at what you are saying.

Show some integrity.

Well, I keep writing that what I say is strictly my opinion for this very reason, I don't believe I hold the definitive truth...
I merely state what I myself feel regarding a topic I find interesting, you may share my opinion or you may not, I accept that, it's normal...
I see nothing inherently wrong with this, isn't that the point of discussing a topic?

It seems this is a bit of a touchy issue, so I guess I'll just drop it...
Sorry to have bothered you, Saphra...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 21 janvier 2012 - 10:22 .

[XenoAlbedo]

Well I finally finished one of my Photoshop drawings. I haven't drawn in awhile so I'm a little rusty and there are some things about the drawing I don't like. (Mainly the Turian councilor. I also just noticed that Tali's arm seems to be attached to her neck.) I didn't put too much effort into this one, and I have a much more detailed one I'm working on and won't finish for awhile. So here it is:

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 22 janvier 2012 - 12:02 .

[schemata]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

Don't metagame Shapra. You invent a narrative to negate what the game clearly shows us, it may be right or wrong,

Of-course, excuse me. How could I be so stupid? Every janitor, security guard, pilot, cook, mechanic, and engineer knew what was going on. 

Seriously, you need to take a step back and actually look at what you are saying.

Show some integrity.

 
Side stepping your petty insult, I think it's highly likely that everyone abroad knew what was happening, and what they were researching. Theres several factors that are core to the quarian people to consider, almost all have an affinity for tech and are mechanically minded. This is theme is perpetuating throughout the series.  So what Im implying here, is that a quarian may have main responsibilities as a janitor, cook, or pilot, but is probably expected to contribute to the project in some way. Second its also highly likely that there werent positions like cooks or janitors, as the alaria was a project ship. They could leave their ship and return to their home ship when they were done with their research. This can be infered because he wasn't vas alari, he was vas zorah, like tali at one point in time. Yet another factor to consider is when your dealing with specialization, as in having positions be strictly cook, janitor, mechanic, and engineer and so on; your infering principles of economics that they have a vast quarian capital, (human capital in our terms, or better think of it as worker capital) Which they dont. This is evident that they send quarians on pilgrimages in the first place. As well as implied throughout the game.

So its highly likely quarians are generalists, and perform multiple job duties. And whats with the insults anyway, is it a superiorty complex with you? Or a frustration thing?

[BentOrgy]

Worth a shot.

[S4pphi]

^ Agreed. This is getting a bit out of hand.