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[ZenJestr]

Saphra Deden wrote...

ZenJestr wrote...

not yet at least, but if left to his own he would've put an innocent through unnecessary legal bull**** based ENTIRELY off of racism

No, she was not innocent. She IS a vagrant and apparently vagrancy is not allowed on the Citadel. So he is fully within his rights to run her in for it.

Since she can't find work on the Citadel she should probably leave anyway.

The Paragon interrupt is just Shepard throwing his weight around when it comes to the C-Sec officer.

no, she's on Pilgrimage. So what you're saying is that if you don't have a home on the Citadel you can't be there? The Citadel receives guests all the time. She TRIED to find work but due to racism she couldn't find any. It's not like she's just trolling around the streets doing nothing, she's actively trying to help by participating in the economy of the Citadel but can't due to racism. 

The thing is, he ASSUMES that just because she's a quarian she's trouble. If the volus would've accused a random salarian, he would not of run him in for vagrancy.

[ZenJestr]

"quarians are only forced to steal when people like you won't let them have real jobs"

that can be applied to every..single...species....ever...

also by your logic, Shepard and his crew are also worthy of incarceration then...

Modifié par ZenJestr, 24 janvier 2012 - 05:44 .

[ZenJestr]

how is she full of herself for acknowledging that her people are capable of committing crimes? She'd be full of herself if she DIDN'T.

and I was referring to just existing on the Citadel without residence, not their obvious crimes.


if being on the Citadel without residence is a crime, isn't it up to the Citadel to inform people before they arrive there? Unless, of course, she was denied shelter (that she was able to purchase) exclusively because of her species.

[Welsh Inferno]

Saphra Deden wrote...

The C-Sec officer never did anything wrong.

Yes he did. He may be going by the book but it doesn't mean he has to threaten and be a complete ass to someone who is obviously down on their luck. What he should have done is actually do his job by finding out where the credit chit is.

If he want's to arrest her for vagrancy after he has done that. So be it, no big deal. His attitude is completely unecessary.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:15 .

[ZenJestr]

delete

Modifié par ZenJestr, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:26 .

[ZenJestr]

It is justified. If you can't eat because you can't pay for it because nobody wants to hire you because everyone is being racist, it's justified. It is a crime and I'm not excusing it (because if I was in law enforcement I would do my job and arrest them for stealing), but it is justified.

If the people on the Citadel weren't being racist, then quarians wouldn't be forced to steal, keyword: ''forced''.

it's like when Hitler was enacting all of those anti-Jewish laws, restricting them from doing....anything, really. So if the Jews aren't allowed to have jobs, their only means of survival is theft. The theft is justified.

[Welsh Inferno]

Saphra Deden wrote...

What's he going to do, drag along Lia and the volus while he asks people about the chit? He was by himself. He was probably waiting for backup.

Oh I don't know, perhaps ask the Volus to check the store(which is like 10 steps away) that he had come out of to see if he left it there. If they both won't co-operate, run them both in until he gets the truth.

Modifié par Welsh Inferno, 24 janvier 2012 - 06:29 .

[ZenJestr]

I know...both Tali and I admitted it was a crime. I even said that if I was a cop, I would arrest them for stealing because that's my job.

I'm just saying that given their situation, they don't have options.

And yes, they can make an honest living anywhere....they simply need to be given the permission to do so. Omega is a different beast because you can rough your way into a living. It's like setting up a store in a ghetto, as long as you can defend yourself, you're fine. The Citadel requires a lot of paperwork and approval. Approval they can't find not because of lack of competence or a criminal record, but purely because she happened to be born the wrong species.


whether or not it's only food, I can't say because I can't speak for every fictional criminal that happens to be quarian...

[Welsh Inferno]

Saphra Deden wrote...

That's not how police procedure works and the Citadel is bigger than it appears in-game. I doubt it is literally just ten steps away. That's beside the point though.

You don't ask the suspects to do your work for you.

I am aware how police procedure works, you can arrest people in an investigation who are being uncooperative. It isn't far off accurate size as its just one level. Level 28 of the Zakera Ward, of which there are likely hundreds if not thousands of levels.

Also the Volus is a suspect? He's the victim is he not?

[ZenJestr]

She was probably going to leave but that requires money...money she can't get due to racism. However that can't really be confirmed (the leaving bit, not the racism)

It's true that in the expanse of the galaxy, there's tons of options. She chose the Citadel to help with the damage the geth caused. However she wasn't allowed to do anything because she was a quarian. She now has two options, keep looking for a job or leave. If vagrancy is a crime, then she has to be one in order to do option A and in order to do option B she needs money, which she can only get through option A or secret option C, theft to pawn off some money.

[ZenJestr]

She probably is, which is something we may or may not witness in ME3...

[Welsh Inferno]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well everyone is kind of a "suspect" until the lone C-Sec officer figures out what is going on. It'd be a bad idea to let either of them out of his sight until backup arrives.

After all, suppose the volus found his credit chit but then lied about it? After all, he hates quarians. Would you put it passed him?

True and true. Backup arrives and it would have been sorted. My only problem is with his attitude really though. If he approached the situation without falling for the sterotype that every single Quarian is a thief it would have been fine in my opinion.


Anyway new page tali pic:

[Someone With Mass]

You think that's bad, just wait until we get to a certain familiar spot in ME3.

[ZenJestr]

yea if that was an option I'm sure people would've opted for doing that instead of the Paragon interrupt (if given the choice of either or)...I know I would of...of course...that's only if I had to pick one or the other (similar to how if I couldn't Paragon my way out of the Legion/Tali argument, I would've picked Legion on non-Talimance files and Jack in the Miri/Jack ****fit)

[gorichan]

well, paragon choices should have bad consequences sometimes...

[Nashiktal]

We should remember that racism toward quarians isn't JUST bigotry for the sake of bigotry. Due to a a cocktail of factors quarians have done all sorts of things that made the other races hate them.

Starting with the geth, agitated by theft, continued by disruption of entire system's economy... etc.

The quarians are not innocent, but they are not the only one to blame for their guilt.