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[darthnick427]

Collider wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

So do we even know at what point in the game we get Tali in ME3 yet?

I get the impression that it's at the middle of the game at earliest.

just like ME2 then....hmmm damn it...I was hoping for the quick recruitment of all squadmates like in ME1. oh well I can wait I guess

[S.A.K]

Collider wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

So do we even know at what point in the game we get Tali in ME3 yet?

I get the impression that it's at the middle of the game at earliest.

WTF?! Nooooooooooooooo...
Edit: I think we'll be free to proceed in the order we like after the Palvin mission.

Modifié par S.A.K, 08 février 2012 - 03:44 .

[darthnick427]

S.A.K wrote...

I'll surely make peace in my canon run and I might try destroying the Geth later. I can never destroy the Quarians though. Just reading that part in the script made me sad.

You would destroy Legion!? NOOOOO!!! I could never destroy either. I like them both too much because of Tali and Legion.

[S.A.K]

darthnick427 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I'll surely make peace in my canon run and I might try destroying the Geth later. I can never destroy the Quarians though. Just reading that part in the script made me sad.

You would destroy Legion!? NOOOOO!!! I could never destroy either. I like them both too much because of Tali and Legion.

Umm, sorry to say this but...
I think Legion dies either way.

Highlight above for spoilers.

[husky husk]

JosephDucreux wrote...

Screw this, I just wanna watch the quarians burn. Robot bros for the win.

Hear, hear!

[Collider]

The only good geth is a dead geth.

[darthnick427]

S.A.K wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I'll surely make peace in my canon run and I might try destroying the Geth later. I can never destroy the Quarians though. Just reading that part in the script made me sad.

You would destroy Legion!? NOOOOO!!! I could never destroy either. I like them both too much because of Tali and Legion.

Umm, sorry to say this but...
I think Legion dies either way.

Highlight above for spoilers.

I'm aware but... I think Legion lives and Tali dies you side with the geth, vice virsa if quarians, andthey both live if you ally them together and they're both loyal from ME2. granted this is based on leaked script rumors and hoping they both live. I hope they both live...

Higlight above for spoilers

Modifié par darthnick427, 08 février 2012 - 03:57 .

[hand-o_death547]

darthnick427 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...

S.A.K wrote...

I'll surely make peace in my canon run and I might try destroying the Geth later. I can never destroy the Quarians though. Just reading that part in the script made me sad.

You would destroy Legion!? NOOOOO!!! I could never destroy either. I like them both too much because of Tali and Legion.

Umm, sorry to say this but...
I think Legion dies either way.

Highlight above for spoilers.

I'm aware but... I think Legion lives and Tali dies you side with the geth, vice virsa if quarians, andthey both live if you ally them together and they're both loyal from ME2. granted this is based on leaked script rumors and hoping they both live. I hope they both live...

Higlight above for spoilers

I will cry if this happens

[Dragaros]

I'll shed no tears when I sacrifice the geth to save the quarians and get their planet back. Never liked those glorified toasters.

[GodWood]

Collider wrote...
The only good geth is a dead geth.

Right on.

[husky husk]

When the galaxy is at stake and I have to choose between the two the geth far out weigh the quarians in what they can contribute to the war effort.

[UNiT]

husky husk wrote...

When the galaxy is at stake and I have to choose between the two the geth far out weigh the quarians in what they can contribute to the war effort.

Oh but you will be quite surprised in ME3 then...

Edit: TotP:

http://biowarestore....0a736d9cae4dd46

Modifié par UNiT-LT, 08 février 2012 - 07:05 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Being dedicated and loyal to your people above general galactic civilization without question is a negative aspect.

It's what makes Ashley unlikable and also a good bomb defender unless romanced and Paragon optioned to completely change her outlook on alien life. It's what makes Miranda completely unbearable as a crew member for the first two thirds of ME2, until she gets a more personal storyline involving her sister instead of the Cerberus stuff. It's what makes Wrex dangerous on Virmire if you can't talk him down and see reason regarding Saren.

It's what will make Xen an enemy in ME3, as well.


On the other hand, Tali has at least shown she'll only put up with selfless devotion so far, before she realizes that it's sometimes detrimental to her people and the entire galaxy as well, and not helpful in any way (Like revealing the evidence in the trial, which would only help the Quarian war effort in some way- a war effort that needs to be stopped in it's tracks at all costs.)

Modifié par Atemeus, 08 février 2012 - 08:23 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Nope, not only should they not do that but also they won't be doing that in my playthrough, and I will be the one to get the most favorable outcome as a result.

The results will speak for themselves, while you can go cry in a corner about anti-Renegade bias.


Now, to be reasonable I stated (quote) "Without question." There's nothing wrong with self improvement of the race on it's own, but there's a threshold of a sorts, one of Pyrrhic futility. Flights of fancy and delusions of your race's grandeur. Xen crosses that line, but my other examples show reason in some way or another eventually.

Modifié par Atemeus, 08 février 2012 - 09:05 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Oh really? What makes you say that?

Why don't you try respecting their sovereignity and right to self-determination?

Because if you take one force, and another force, and they fight each other and you gain the winner as an ally then you have gained one ally. If you take one force, and another force, and you gain them both then you have gained two allies. I learned about addition in elementary school classes. Then, in a stroke of genius I've decided to apply that to other decisions that are based on logic.


I won't respect a child's will to touch their bare hand to a hot stove, nor should I let two races try to genocide each other. Self-determination has a breaking point of self-destruction that needs to be averted. Normally you might be able to make a case that it's a lesson someone or some people has/have to learn on their own but a) That's callous, detestable and it demeans you as a person to stand back and let happen. in the case of a threat as grand of a scale as a Reaper, I'm afraid I'll have to take the reigns away from you if you're going to immediately endanger life in the Galaxy. As far as I'm concerned, everyone needs to get the %@%! along until at least the evil space gods are out of the picture. 


And of course, the Reaper war could turn out to be a tool to encourage galactic peace in the long run, diverting politcs as we know it from a less prosperous outcome. The races that were previously at odds will form temporary alliances of convenience in the face of a greater threat, and after it's over they'll realize that the whole cooperation thing is working better than the war thing ever was going to.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Well, then let's not have any pyrrhic victories.

Indeed. But allowing Xen any measure of power of more influence then she already does would be laughable indeed. She will attempt to control the Geth and fail, as all have always failed and all stubborn fools will continue to fail at in the future. If the Geth will aid any side in the Reaper War, it will be their decision, and one based on logic and who threatens their well-being more- the Reapers or the Quarians.

Modifié par Atemeus, 08 février 2012 - 11:39 .

[Goneaviking]

[quote]Atemeus wrote...

[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...
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Why don't you try respecting their sovereignity and right to self-determination?

[/quote]
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I won't respect a child's will to touch their bare hand to a hot stove, nor will I let two races try to genocide each other. Self-determination has a breaking point of self-destruction that needs to be averted. Normally you might be able to make a case that it's a lesson someone or some people has/have to learn on their own but a) That's callous, detestable and it demeans you as a person to stand back and let happen. [/quote]

If two nations decide they're going to have at it in an ethnic war then it's going to happen whatever you do. If you step on both of them they'll find another way to go at it, or come at you instead. In any case, some principles are worth dying for and to a lot of people independance is one of them.

[quote]
in the case of a threat as grand of a scale as a Reaper, I'm afraid I'll have to take the reigns away from you if you're going to immediately endanger life in the Galaxy. As far as I'm concerned, everyone needs to get the %@%! along until at least the evil space gods are out of the picture. [/quote]

Some very unpleasant historical figures have gotten their start exactly the same way. For the most part they don't step aside once the threat has passed, and they tend to be remembered negatively.

[quote]
And of course, the Reaper war could turn out to be a tool to encourage galactic peace in the long run, diverting politcs as we know it from a less prosperous outcome. The races that were previously at odds will form temporary alliances of convenience in the face of a greater threat, and after it's over they'll realize that the whole cooperation thing is working better than the war thing ever was going to.[/quote]

Well sure that could happen, but it seems like something of a longshot working off of human history.


[quote]Saphra Deden wrote...

Well, then let's not have any pyrrhic victories.

[/quote]

Indeed. But allowing Xen any measure of power of more influence then she already does would be laughable indeed. She will attempt to control the Geth and fail, as all have always failed and all stubborn fools will continue to fail at in the future. If the Geth will aid any side in the Reaper War, it will be their decision, and one based on logic and who threatens their well-being more- the Reapers or the Quarians.

[/quote]

[GipsyDangeresque]

Goneaviking wrote...
If two nations decide they're going to have at it in an ethnic war then it's going to happen whatever you do. If you step on both of them they'll find another way to go at it, or come at you instead. In any case, some principles are worth dying for and to a lot of people independance is one of them.

Maybe if peace wasn't presented as such an attainable possibility. You can't stop them with any amount of military force, you have to convince them with words or you've failed to create a real alliance, or at least one that will have any foundation to succeed after you're gone or the threat of death has disappeared.

Some very unpleasant historical figures have gotten their start exactly the same way. For the most part they don't step aside once the threat has passed, and they tend to be remembered negatively.

There'd be no stepping aside, because I certainly wouldn't try to stop them by force, and it definitely would never work even if there wasn't an unconvincably large majority of one group dedicated to the war. As it stands, the Geth are open to peace in the absence of all aggression from the Quarian people (The geth must be convinced that the actions of previous Organics are not the only responses that can be made to the Geth's existence) and the Quarians are heavily fragmented into multiple opinions on the best way forward (And they must be convinced that their homeworld is attainable through means other than domination of the Geth in one way or another.) It's hardly a tale of two cultures ready to eradicate each other purely out of hatred and detesment of the others at all costs.

Well sure that could happen, but it seems like something of a longshot working off of human history.

It all depends on how good of a job you do uniting them in the first place. Holding a gun to their heads and hoping for the best later wouldn't be enough, obviously. That's usually the way it gets done in human history (well, at sword-point as you go further back but you get the point.)

Modifié par Atemeus, 08 février 2012 - 12:33 .

[Someone With Mass]

I'm probably going to side with Koris. He's pretty much the only one who isn't jeopardizing the fleet to take their planet back and is open to peace negotiations.

If the geth have nothing to gain on another war and they have said that they're willing to make peace (unless there are other obstacles in the way, like a Reaper) I'm going to at least wait and hear what they have to say before anything starts.

I think Xen's plan is too much of a risk. The geth are known for their adaptability, so there's a chance that they might overcome the virus in the future, and then there'll be another war going on. Not to mention that deploying the virus in the first place could endanger more people than needed.

[GipsyDangeresque]

Plus, in Xen's best case scenario all that awaits an entire sapient race from that day forward is slavery and servitude- a tragedy in its' own right.

That's why I'm hoping Tali's character development continues along the path of the paragon resolution to her loyalty conflict with Legion.

[HellBovine]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Atemeus wrote...

Indeed. But allowing Xen any measure of power of more influence then she already does would be laughable indeed. She will attempt to control the Geth and fail, as all have always failed...

Did you rewrite the geth or blow them up?

Dunno about him but I believe that instituting slavery for the geth would be detestable, and I always blow the heretics up. Self-determination is their right, and from what I understood in the games, following the reapers was a choice made of their own free will. I won't risk using a reaper-made virus in order to reeducate those who knowingly decided to exterminate all organics just in the hopes that they won't change their minds again later.

[Someone With Mass]

Atemeus wrote...

Plus, in Xen's best case scenario all that awaits an entire sapient race from that day forward is slavery and servitude- a tragedy in its' own right.

That's why I'm hoping Tali's character development continues along the path of the paragon resolution to her loyalty conflict with Legion.

Or that she just reconsiders her motives and views.