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GipsyDangeresque

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Saphra Deden wrote... 

So in the end do you have the best interests of the quarians at heart or not?


The best interests of the Geth and the Quarians in tandem.


Did you rewrite the geth or blow them up?


That's a very difficult decision, the toughest I think across the Mass Effect trilogy thus far.

From the onset of the mission, it seemed like stripping them of free will. However in the end, it depended on the way Legion justified to me the way the heretic virus worked. He explained by the end of the mission that the virus would not control the Heretic geth, but force them to reconsider the conclusion they have come to. It takes away the decision that the Geth made considering siding with the Reapers, and then provided the True Geth's perspective about the Reaper/Organic situation in addition to the Heretic Geth's own (The 1+1=2 and 2+1=3 or however he puts it.)

So I rewrote the geth. The arguments that come to mind which tipped the scales in favor of this decision were two-fold. First, Legion's assertion that attempting to apply organic analogs to the debate were incorrect. And second, that this approach to the debate was supported by the fact that there was no guarantee the re-write virus would cause the Heretics to all turn to the True Geth's way of thinking, but rather simply provided the opportunity- it was easier to draw comparisons in the virus with a well reasoned argument, and it forced the Heretics to take their metaphorical hands away from their ears and at least listen to it and come to a new conclusion, possible the same one as before.


The option is bad if you consider the virus to be mind control and a violation of the sanctity of the Geth's minds. But then, if your qualms are with the well-being of the heretic Geth, your other option is mass-murder on a galaxy-wide scale of those that share that viewpoint. Neither is particularly good for the Heretic Geth.


I hope, at the very least, that rewriting the Heretics could be seen by the True Geth as an act of mercy as opposed to destruction. Even if unsuccessful, at least the True Geth now see an organic attempting to aid and support their own interests, a change I think from their previous experiences of mistreatment and attempted genocide.


Anyway, very merky morals all the way around on that mission. Made things interesting. Rewriting the Geth provides two utilitarian advantages, if peace is a final objective.

1) Greater numbers for the Geth will dissuade the Quarians from attacking them. The heavier risk, the greater the danger for the Quarians, the more they will (hopefully) be unwilling to act rashley and attack.

2) A larger army of Geth will be nice if the Geth are willing to fight for me in the war with the Reapers instead of being destroyed (obvious one.)

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Alright, one more thing. Is this the Geth thread? The Legion thread? The Quarian/Geth/Rannoch thread? I'm thinking we need to drop this particular discussion on the grounds of getting way off topic.


I think I've come to the conclusion that Tali becoming an admiral is a great way to help make her character development truly relevant and integral to the plot at large. Tali wanting war with the Geth or not is simply a personal opinion, right until she's calling the shots on a large portion of the ships that will be doing the attacking (or not.)

Modifié par Atemeus, 08 février 2012 - 01:42 .


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Yes. Lets stop with pointless arguments. Someone should just make an argument thread so they can all argue there.

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Ugh, this topic get derailed so fast at times.. LOL

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I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

Modifié par Collider, 08 février 2012 - 03:21 .


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Back to the topic. Kinda.

http://www.fanfictio...ost_in_the_Snow


My second fanfic 'Ghost in the Snow' about Tali and the mystery man who was supposed to be dead she meets on Freedom's Progress. 5 points to whoever guesses who it is. Again, feedback is welcomed lovingly!

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Collider wrote...

I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!


If she went about it the normal way, she wouldn't.

She's pretty much just a temporary substitute for her father in ME3.

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Collider wrote...

Xen ends up creating a virus that kills a number of geth - if you don't kill her. It doesn't make peace impossible, but it does make the geth less of a war asset.


Only read the first part of the sentence, but please grey out your spoilers.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 08 février 2012 - 03:32 .


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Collider wrote...

I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

If she's exiled she better not be. 

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husky husk wrote...

When the galaxy is at stake and I have to choose between the two the geth far out weigh the quarians in what they can contribute to the war effort.


They also have their own unique vulnerabilities that come with said advantages. Its not a clear benefit at all.

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jreezy wrote...

Collider wrote...

I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

If she's exiled she better not be. 


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Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

If she went about it the normal way, she wouldn't.

She's pretty much just a temporary substitute for her father in ME3.

Right, but she's still an admiral. Like they foreshadowed.

Only read the first part of the sentence, but please grey out your spoilers.

Spoiler warning in the thread title.

#14313
Nashiktal

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Collider wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Collider wrote...
I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

If she went about it the normal way, she wouldn't.

She's pretty much just a temporary substitute for her father in ME3.

Right, but she's still an admiral. Like they foreshadowed.

Only read the first part of the sentence, but please grey out your spoilers.

Spoiler warning in the thread title.


And all I am asking is a little courtesy. There is already a group for discussing spoilers, and clan zorah is for offtopic discussion.

This is the only place I am allowed to talk about tali, and as such all I am asking is greyed out text. I'm not asking you to stop posting spoilers, just to grey it out.

Modifié par Nashiktal, 08 février 2012 - 03:53 .


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Collider wrote...

I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

I stand by my decision it is stupid as ****.

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I'm just wondering if that impacts her being a squad member at all. It's kind of like Liara as the Shadow Broker. Why would they join your squad? Hopefully there is a good reason for it. Part of me WANTS to go and get Tali exiled. :P

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

I stand by my decision it is stupid as ****.

Yeah, how could she be admiral when she would be too busy trying not to get reverse death by snu-snu from Shepard?:P
Anyways, I wouldn't care if she became an admiral or not.

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 08 février 2012 - 06:24 .


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The thing I had been expecting was that if she were made an admiral some part of the storyline would involve getting the admirals on board with reversing a decision of the conclave. Then Quarian law would require them all to resign and Tali would be free to come along on further missions/romantic adventures.

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That or she just quits. I imagine they will make her an admiral for no other reason then she's bested most Quarians with the gifts from the pilgrimage and eats geth for breakfast. Tali I'm sure would hate this position but per her personality would take it out of a sense of duty to her people (she's big on duty to her people) but honestly I think she'd be bad at it she's already admitted several times she's no leader. She prefers to be a follower. So I can imagine if you do the positive thing for them she quits if you do a negative and the board has to pull rank she resigns. But what does BW do with an exiled tali? Are they really going to put her on the board? That doesn't make sense. To me it makes sense for an exiled Tali to already be on ship when you leave Earth.

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Destroy Raiden wrote...

That or she just quits. I imagine they will make her an admiral for no other reason then she's bested most Quarians with the gifts from the pilgrimage and eats geth for breakfast. Tali I'm sure would hate this position but per her personality would take it out of a sense of duty to her people (she's big on duty to her people) but honestly I think she'd be bad at it she's already admitted several times she's no leader. She prefers to be a follower. So I can imagine if you do the positive thing for them she quits if you do a negative and the board has to pull rank she resigns. But what does BW do with an exiled tali? Are they really going to put her on the board? That doesn't make sense. To me it makes sense for an exiled Tali to already be on ship when you leave Earth.


*Spoiler

The admirals bring exiled Tali in as an "advisor."

Modifié par HellBovine, 08 février 2012 - 07:52 .


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Off current subject but eh:
What are you doing in my office, Shep?
*Romance scene with Tali on screen*
Winning.

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XenoAlbedo wrote...

Off current subject but eh:
What are you doing in my office, Shep?
*Romance scene with Tali on screen*
Winning.


Dez not understands

Plz clarify ^-^

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XenoAlbedo

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MJ5 wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Off current subject but eh:
What are you doing in my office, Shep?
*Romance scene with Tali on screen*
Winning.


Dez not understands

Plz clarify ^-^

Type in Dexter plays a little on youtube and you will understand what I am referring to. Back on topic, I think I may do one playthrough without romancing Tali to see if that possible Garrus with Tali thing works out. I mean my two favorite characters? I have to see that!

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Collider wrote...

I remember all of the people who said that Tali would never be an admiral in ME3!

I stand by my decision it is stupid as ****.


Ah, there is the Rune I remember.

Modifié par RedTracer7, 08 février 2012 - 08:42 .


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Haasth wrote...

I'm just wondering if that impacts her being a squad member at all. It's kind of like Liara as the Shadow Broker. Why would they join your squad? Hopefully there is a good reason for it. Part of me WANTS to go and get Tali exiled. :P


When her job is done, there's no need for her to be an admiral anymore.

As for Liara, well, that's for another time in another thread.

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Here's Tali in ME3.
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