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Tali'Zorah ME3 Thread *MAJOR SPOILER WARNING!*


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Bioware has been a bit vague about it.

I'm not gonna believe she is permanent until I see that she has a new outfit. (though even then I won't be surprised to see her as a temporary)

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I was (am?) hoping she does not receive a major outfit change. minor details fine, but nothing as drastic as me1->me2

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I don't think she needs a drastic change but she does need a new outfit for the finale.

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Runescapeguy9 wrote...

GoG ToXiC wrote...

I read somewhere that she was confirmed as a permanent squad member. Someone please tell me that's correct

it is correct, though permanent is in the optional format of you choosing.

Casey said that she will be a main character and that she will be able to join Shepard's team. Also, when listing confirmed squadmates in a tweet, he mentions Tali in the same sentence as Liara, the VS, Vega and Garrus.

In addition to this, Jesse Houston said during a gameplay demo at E3 that Garrus won't be in your "squad" if he died during the suicide mission. He then went on to say "...same with Tali". 

Judging from this I think that Tali will be be a full time squadmate that resides on the Normandy and can be choosen to be brought along on seperate missions, as opposed to a temperary squadmate that only accompanies you on certain missions (like Liara was in LotSB).

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Greetings, I'm going to throw in my random 2 cents in regards to Tali as a permanent squad member, and her showing her face, etc. This is probably appears random, incomprehensible, or just plain dumb, but I had a long and crappy day at work.

Bioware has made statements thus far stating that romances would be far more intricate, with love triangles and such. If Tali isn't a full squad member, than how can a romance have the depth that Bioware is shooting for if you only get her for part of the game?

In regards to Tali's face, I've read other threads where people said they don't want it to be revealed, because they want it to remain a mystery. I find that contradictory since with any mystery, they want to keep wondering, but never want to actually solve it. Also, whats the difference between an intentional mystery, and something as simple as not taking the time to design a characters face during concept designs? I'm not sure, but if they wanted to make a more effective mystery I think they should at least tease what quarians look like by giving a glimpse of something small like the back of a head, or a tear in a suit.

Some also say that no matter what people will be disappointed at what she looks like. I don't know about anyone else, but there are some races, and characters I don't really like [Turians look like giant Arthropods, like 80% of the races in the galaxy have ostrich legs (the only bipedal races I know of that don't are humans and asari)]. Regardless, none of that destroys the series for me. If I don't like the appearance, oh well I can learn to love it.

During the creating Garrus video, Derrek Watts said they were doing concepts, but that's about it. There is no guarantee that we will get to see it, but at least they have given it some thought.

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It would be a total cop out by Bioware if they do not show her face

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i dont like the alien designs in general, they lack holy symmetry. or whatever u call it. hopefully tali's face matches her anatomy.

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I want to see Tali's face because it would be a significant moment for me. I didn't romance the suit, I romanced the girl inside the suit. I'd love to see her eyes and watch her smile, without a mask in the way, before Shepard's story is over. It's not about aesthetics, it's about affirming that I chose Tali for who she is and not because of her suit.

Keeping Tali's face away from the fans who romanced her to uphold some contrived sense of "mystery", would be a very illogical move on the part of the writers.

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Capt_Flashheart wrote...

I want to see Tali's face because it would be a significant moment for me. I didn't romance the suit, I romanced the girl inside the suit. I'd love to see her eyes and watch her smile, without a mask in the way, before Shepard's story is over. It's not about aesthetics, it's about affirming that I chose Tali for who she is and not because of her suit.

Keeping Tali's face away from the fans who romanced her to uphold some contrived sense of "mystery", would be a very illogical move on the part of the writers.

I agree. If they don't show us her face, all Tali fans should riot and BW will have to show us her face in a special DLC :wizard:

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^a FREE dlc.

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Either way, rage will ensue.
The results of this poll so far ate very telling. As of now, there are an equal number of people who don't want the face shown as there are people who want to see her face and it be alien-ish.
But twice the number of people in total want to see her face than those who don't.

The rage that would come from showing her face and having someone's personal image of what Tali looks like shattered would not last that long as those who really care about Tali don't care how she looks as long as she remains herself in character.
The rage that would come from not showing the face would, in my eyes, last longer, at least until they show us her face.
Basically, those who truly like her will accept how she looks if they do show it, and will accept the fact that they didn't show us if they don't. That being the case, not everyone thinks like that, and some just want to see a Quarians face. I don't think it would be proper if we just saw another Quarian's face though, as there should be no reason why it wouldn't be Tali.
Shepard knows what she looks like. So should we.

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Guys for all the in depth analysis of why Tali WILL be a full squaddie, we have to remember that the dev team has been going out of their way to hint that "permanent" doesnt mean the same thing in ME3.

Until we get more info on this, we can't count on the usual definition of permanent squads.

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Nashiktal wrote...

Guys for all the in depth analysis of why Tali WILL be a full squaddie, we have to remember that the dev team has been going out of their way to hint that "permanent" doesnt mean the same thing in ME3.

Until we get more info on this, we can't count on the usual definition of permanent squads.


True, but what would be the point with "deeper relationships" if one of these characters, you're supposed to have deeper relationship, is not available or near your Shep most of the time?

No, I think that this "no one is permenent" means just something like all characters are going to live from Normandy to do something. It's like LM, except this time Shep is not going to help them or that he/she can't help them right away. However I tthink that these missions differ from ME2 in that characters could actually die during this their own missions, if some prerequisite are not filled and if Shep won't come in time to help them out. So, basically characters every "permanent" characters are not permanent like in ME1 and 2, because they will leave to do something their own and that it's possible that they could die.

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I found this video and though tali fans would like it. So beautiful and sad :crying:

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S.A.K wrote...

I found this video and though tali fans would like it. So beautiful and sad :crying:


thanks friend. my fav. is this one: www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySBnWueXiJQ

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now thanx to Casey, Bioware's hesitation about revealing Tali is everywhere with reference to his words:

"[w]e've had a lot of debate over Tali's face, but that's the one we kind of dread a lot. We're always 'well, let's talk about something else for a while!' That's something we're going to have to decide."

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seems less like hesitation and more 'what to do'
combined with other things we have learned from interviews it seems like a good sign to me.

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HOpefully they procrastinate indefinitely on this issue.:mellow:

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Webkahve wrote...


now thanx to Casey, Bioware's hesitation about revealing Tali is everywhere with reference to his words:

"[w]e've had a lot of debate over Tali's face, but that's the one we kind of dread a lot. We're always 'well, let's talk about something else for a while!' That's something we're going to have to decide."

Man, the way they word it, they make it sound like they're afraid of you guys. I personally think they're just cautious about making a change that will let a lot of people down (not just you folks in Club Maskmancer). I mean, it's not like you'll actually release anthrax into the vents if they botch it, right?




... right?

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They should worry less about appeasing fanboys. Don't let the fans design the game, it will turn into crap.

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Arcian wrote...
I mean, it's not like you'll actually release anthrax into the vents if they botch it, right?




... right?


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seriously, if they gonna screw up this time again (cause they already did in ME2 for me) I'm not gonna buy it...

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Webkahve wrote...

seriously, if they gonna screw up this time again (cause they already did in ME2 for me) I'm not gonna buy it...

Enlighten me, how did they "screw up" in ME2?

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I think he means by not showing her face in the romance scene. I honestly don't care much if they show her face in particular. I find it a bit ridiculous not showing what an entire race of people looks like though.

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in ME2 Tali romance scene, they had the perfect timing to show Tali's face but what happened? I dont want another "wrong camera angle" this time.

They must show her this time,
or I want compensation, like a Dancing-Tali-Hologram upgrade for my omni tool which can be watched in any non-combat situation during the game,
and a house for Tali in rannoch(can be a small one)... :)

Modifié par Webkahve, 04 juillet 2011 - 09:17 .