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Débuté par Collider , juin 13 2011 06:02

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 09:06

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mauro2222 wrote...

No, she's just willing to make the same mistakes because she wants to have someone else doing the laundry for her.


What mistake?

Controlling the geth is a good thing if you can pull it off. You are hung up on a moral argument, mauro, not a logical one.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 09:09

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Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

No, she's just willing to make the same mistakes because she wants to have someone else doing the laundry for her.


Controlling the geth is a good thing if you can pull it off.


Exactly... what if she can't? =]

Can we continue this later, it's 6:10 a.m here, what the hell I'm doing awake?

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 09:14

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mauro2222 wrote...

Exactly... what if she can't? =]


Then you make war and wipe them out.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 09:30

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Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Exactly... what if she can't? =]


Then you make war and wipe them out.



Uh-huh.

Not logical at all. Not with a galactic war with genocidal cyborgs, who are thousands of years ahead of most spacefaring races technologically, going on.

Both the Geth and Quarians are needed as allies in the war effort. Some ridiculous stunt to bring a synthetic race back in a state of servitude will impede said war effort.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 09:46

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MakeMineMako wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Exactly... what if she can't? =]


Then you make war and wipe them out.



Uh-huh.

Not logical at all. Not with a galactic war with genocidal cyborgs, who are thousands of years ahead of most spacefaring races technologically, going on.

Both the Geth and Quarians are needed as allies in the war effort. Some ridiculous stunt to bring a synthetic race back in a state of servitude will impede said war effort.


And will just awfully back-fire.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 11:34

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MakeMineMako wrote...

Not logical at all.


The geth are Reaper allies. Wiping them out makes sense.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 11:36

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Saphra Deden wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

No, she's just willing to make the same mistakes because she wants to have someone else doing the laundry for her.


What mistake?

Controlling the geth is a good thing if you can pull it off. You are hung up on a moral argument, mauro, not a logical one.

You're hung up on a reactive argument saph, not a logical one.
To make a logical argument, one must consider the moral ramifications and the bigger galactic community.

enslaving the geth only ensures you have an enemy when they inevitably revolt again.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 02:54

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Saphra Deden wrote...

MakeMineMako wrote...

Not logical at all.


The geth are Reaper allies. Wiping them out makes sense.


But they're only Reaper allies because.... OK, so skimming the spoiler script last night for character interaction samples and accidentally catching a few bits I didn't want to know was not the greatest idea. Even so, I'm looking forward to dealing with the geth/quarian conflict more than ever. I didn't get the entire picture, but it looks like an interesting conundrum. And of course, yay for Tali and Legion's continued involvement.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 03:24

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My take on it:

Allying with the Geth - 100% logical. The only reason they rebelled is because they wanted to preserve their existence. The only reason some of them accepted Soveriegn's technology is so they could get closer in their acquisition of that Dyson sphere thing Legion mentioned. Just offer them what they want and then we have the better offer since we're not going to destroy them. However, this increases the chance of more indoctrinated enemies, but so does allying with everyone else, so if we're going to go with that, we might as well not recruit anyone to help fight the Reapers. Granted, I have a feeling it won't be as easy as what I described, but I feel this is the best alternative. Why have only one when you can have both [mexicangirlwhynotboth.jpg]

Enslaving the Geth - logical, but I don't agree with it. Also, this runs the risk of them rebelling again...

Destroying the Geth - stupid. Only viable for "what if" files just to see the outcome. Against a race of Mecha Cthulhu's you need everything at your disposal and the geth have the most advanced technology in this cycle. Wiping them out is retarded


now, if we had to pick between saving the Quarians and saving the Geth, I'd only save the Quarians on my Talimance file, but save the Geth in almost every other one of my Sheps. This war is about survival. The geth have superior technology. The geth do not get tired. The geth don't have to worry about suit punctures. The geth are versitile in terms of what they can do in combat (i.e. they have multiple hardware types, can upload themselves into other technology, etc.)

I love the quarians to death (one of my favorite species) but I'm sorry, we need to win this and if we are forced into an either/or decision, I'm going geth.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 03:29

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In Mass Effect 3, you get plenty of reason to want to destroy the geth.
I can't wait.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 04:25

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DarthLaxian wrote...

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Hellbound555 wrote...

Bioware confirms Tali as best Quarian.

Proof


Was it ever in question? Posted Image

Wait I forgot about Saphra

@Arne, that is odd indeed.  Shep really never seems like the type to hide in dark corners and eavesdrop.  And there is no point in recording lines that the player would never hear.  That is called cut material.  So the only logical conclusion is that there must be something that we don't know or have not considered, or what you previously stated, which as I said would seem at least somewhat odd.


sorry, but sheppard is what you make him (IMHO he can be the "immoral", hiding in the shadows guy who backstabs people and listens in to conversations - but he can also be the goody two shoes who protects flowers from being stepped on....)

greets LAX


Ok buddy, you want to go there, we can go there.  In video games there are these magical people called developers.  these people create the material in the form that you see it when you take that little controler/keyboard and start playing.  THEY decide what Shepard is or is not like.  Yes you get options, but tell me has shepard ever been presented with the "renegade" option of stalking around the ship eavesdropping on his comrades?  I am not talking about random conversations that you hear throughout the galaxy, but your squadies.  No.  You can be a total ****** to them, reveal data with Tali, browbeat Mordin over the Genophage, tell Garrus that he shouldn't try to work outside of the lines (actually I think that they catagorized that one as Paragon but same idea, you are still being a jerk if you choose that option), but you have never in either of the games been presented with the chance to do said eavesdropping on squadies, thus my comment that, "Shep really never seems like the type to hide in dark corners and eavesdrop".  Now there is this thing called imagined cannon, where you can go off and think of things that you wish had been options, but as far as actual choices go, this has never been amongst them.  Good try.  And if you were wondering, I am not a "goody-goody two shoes", Paragade FTW.

To be somewhat on topic, to you guys who are saying that the geth are more valuable if it comes to picking between the two, don't the Quarians have the largest fleet in the galaxy?  I might be wrong, but I thought that I had heard that somewhere.  Even if many or even most are non-combatant ships, you will need something for the reapers to shoot that aren't dreadnaughts (by the way, I am assuming that this is post Rannoch, so no, I am not suggesting getting the Quarians annialated entirely.  Just making use of the ships that they wouldn't need anymore).  Anyways won't the biggest battles be naval, where the fact that the Geth do not require sleep and such are extraneous?  Those traits definitely benefit ground troops, but the way I see it, the Reaper ground units and husks really are more of a pain to soldiers than a threat, at least when you are considering the some-odd kilometer long giant spaceships walking around on the planets.  Honestly I am not certain what to think, there really is no precedent to compare this to, to come up with an accurate idea of what the battles will require, or even be like (other than all organics dying, that one I can think of).

Also, I was just thinking of it, beyond armor and stuff, the reaper in ME2 looked pretty far along, with "only" 10's of thousands of people used for its creation.  Now think of it like this, the population of the galaxy is supposed to be in the trillions, I know that.  So, for the first population say only 1,000,000,000,000 of the total population wanted to become "Reaperized", and with REALLY overestimating, it takes 1,000,000 people to make one, then we are looking at 1,000,000 Reapers at the very least.  Hmmm, and let's see how hard was it to kill sovereign, now I think that I understand the "dust struggleing against a cosmic wind" deal that they like to tell us about...  We need more ships.
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 04:38

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Been a while since we had a Tali pounce pic in here... let's rectify that, shall we? =]

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EDIT: And top of the new page, to boot.

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#14863
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 04:47

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^_^Yay Tali pounce!:wub:

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 04:47

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More pounce to the ounce.

#14865
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Posté 19 février 2012 - 05:23

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She could pounce a Yahg into submission.

Biotic charge? Meet Tali charge. It closes range faster, and has the force of 9000 newtons.

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This is the reason that there is no Quarian vanguard, too Over powered... :P

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 05:44

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Bioware needed to ensure that the Reapers were a viable threat over the course of Mass Effect 3. It's the same reason why Blasto isn't in-game, and why the Biotic God wasn't allowed to sweep them all away like a great wind.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 06:26

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Just unlocked the Quarian engineer, I'm great with it, but I just wish there was a m/f option.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 06:37

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Meh, I have done at the very least 10 vet packs or whatever they are called and the only character the I got was the male soldier. That was frustrating, but engineers in general seem to be fun to play with, speaking for the human here.

How long did it take for you to unlock any aliens at all?

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 06:49

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Dat pounce :o

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 07:23

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The fool you should have eaten wrote...

Meh, I have done at the very least 10 vet packs or whatever they are called and the only character the I got was the male soldier. That was frustrating, but engineers in general seem to be fun to play with, speaking for the human here.

How long did it take for you to unlock any aliens at all?


Started with the quarian engineer, took me days to get my next unlock (salarian infiltrator.)

Still can't seem to get the quarian infiltrator.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 07:26

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ZenJestr wrote...

My take on it:

Allying with the Geth - 100% logical. The only reason they rebelled is because they wanted to preserve their existence. The only reason some of them accepted Soveriegn's technology is so they could get closer in their acquisition of that Dyson sphere thing Legion mentioned. Just offer them what they want and then we have the better offer since we're not going to destroy them. However, this increases the chance of more indoctrinated enemies, but so does allying with everyone else, so if we're going to go with that, we might as well not recruit anyone to help fight the Reapers. Granted, I have a feeling it won't be as easy as what I described, but I feel this is the best alternative. Why have only one when you can have both [mexicangirlwhynotboth.jpg]

Enslaving the Geth - logical, but I don't agree with it. Also, this runs the risk of them rebelling again...

Destroying the Geth - stupid. Only viable for "what if" files just to see the outcome. Against a race of Mecha Cthulhu's you need everything at your disposal and the geth have the most advanced technology in this cycle. Wiping them out is retarded


now, if we had to pick between saving the Quarians and saving the Geth, I'd only save the Quarians on my Talimance file, but save the Geth in almost every other one of my Sheps. This war is about survival. The geth have superior technology. The geth do not get tired. The geth don't have to worry about suit punctures. The geth are versitile in terms of what they can do in combat (i.e. they have multiple hardware types, can upload themselves into other technology, etc.)

I love the quarians to death (one of my favorite species) but I'm sorry, we need to win this and if we are forced into an either/or decision, I'm going geth.


The geth are the most vulnerable against the reapers. When it comes to direct ecm warfare between the two, I have no doubt the reapers have the superior software.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 07:30

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I started with a turian sentinel, and just earlier I unlocked an asari adept. everything else has been human, which is fairly disappointing. I'm going to agree with the 90% or so who say getting aliens is like winning the lottery, it's hard as hell, but until the MP section closes I won't give up on getting a quarian.

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The idea of Geth vulnerablity is very true, after all, the heretics recieved the virus that would change all Geth to worship the Reapers, from the Reapers. So I would definitely say that, yes, it would be far easier for the Reapers to indoctrinate the Geth than organics. I had not thought of that before.

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Posté 19 février 2012 - 08:47

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The fool you should have eaten wrote...

The idea of Geth vulnerablity is very true, after all, the heretics recieved the virus that would change all Geth to worship the Reapers, from the Reapers. So I would definitely say that, yes, it would be far easier for the Reapers to indoctrinate the Geth than organics. I had not thought of that before.


yep and another reason for my shep to support quarians over geth if it comes down to it. Geth are vulnerable to mass control from reapers on a scale larger than what organic indoctrination seems to be able to. Geth are not a safe choice they are a risk.
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