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[GodWood]

HellBovine wrote...

GodWood wrote...

darthnick427 wrote...
I've always thought of Garrus as Paragade because he does renegade ish things sometimes but for the good of others.

You do realise that is what renegade is, yes?

Not really, a lot of times (particularly with squad mates) renegade just means being a **** to people.

And following that train of thought being 'paragon' requires one to try and sleep with every man/woman you meet.

For the sake of consistency it's best not to simply see everything on the upper side as paragon and everything on the lower side as renegade. It's the major choices that truly shape the 'morality' and for those renegade = helping the galaxy in a renegade manner. 

It differes depending on some choices but I would categorize Mr. Garrus as either Paragade or Renegon.

I personally loathe the 'paragade' and 'renegon' lables simply because the people seem who use these labels  have a habit of labeling any sympathetic renegade character as paragade or renegon as if to say it's impossible for a renegade character to be a 'good guy'.

[Unschuld]

Ravensword wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I don't love all the squadmates, but I don't hate any. I'd say I love just over half of them, and feel fairly neutral about the rest. Thankfully most of the ME3 squad is in the former group.

It's BW's fault. The introduced too many characters in ME2 and completely lacked the foresight that the majority of gamers would keep the entire squad a live in the SM.

They made it way too easy, IMHO. If I had my way it would have been just as easy for Shep/squad to die as it is to get "No-one Left Behind" in the actual game. This is of course, just about impossible without having random deaths, otherwise people would just look up guides on how to get safely through like they do now anyways. Scripted deaths kinda suck too, but if it's done well I don't mind.

Nashiktal wrote...

You have the wrong idea about this site entirely. Tropes are celebrations about recurring themes and idea's within various mediums. 

What you are reffering to are cliche's, which TV tropes barely touches on......

Eh, perhaps my delivery was off. The site is fine, tropes are fine, what annoys me are the people who link to that site when they're complaining that something they saw is a trope/cliche and therefore "it's stupid and awful" and "has been done before, so it's bad".

Modifié par Unschuld, 23 février 2012 - 12:32 .

[Collider]

Random deaths would be awful.

[GipsyDangeresque]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

For those wondering what epicness occured at 2:00 minutes in the last trailor

Also I did not hate any of the characters until... I did not have enough Paragon/Renegade points to settle the Jack Miranda conflict. I then heard the "If you want to chat, why don't you go talk to your friend Jack." line WAY too many times,despite scrounging around for the points that I thought would settle the issue. So I wasn't that mad when, after Joker tells you that all survivors are on board, I got a nice snippet of Collectors strolling alongside a dead Miranda. That said it was better when that problem did not happen, and the matter was settled then and there. I do not hate the character, i just cannot really get over the scarring of how incredibly **** she came across when I wanted to fix things.

I wonder if the writers had Tali behave in a similar way if you choose Legion's side?  That would make me sad.

Well, Tali is justified in that she has just a little bit more to be bitter about than something petty like someone refusing to admit if an experiment was a mistake or not. There's actual, Quarian lives on the line in her eyes.

Modifié par Atemeus, 23 février 2012 - 12:34 .

[Collider]

The Jack/Miranda confrontation was indeed very petty. At worst the trivial pride hung in the balance.

[Unschuld]

Collider wrote...

Random deaths would be awful.

Yeah, they would be. But at the same time, awesome. The way I would envision it would be that the game would use the same type of mathmatical formula as the last stand, but instead of just equating loyalty/strength it also tallies up completed missions/quests. If the numbers are off, random squaddie goes pop. Makes the effort seem more along the lines of the team building that the game tries to convey, since the "disloyal" person in a team isn't necessarily the one that pays the price.

Scripted deaths are just easier to ensure continuity and lessen workload for sequels.


13 days now... wow. Uh, I hate to say this but at this point I'm not in a ME mood. I don't even know if I'm going to have my copy transferred for midnight pickup anymore, let alone finish my canon ME2 game within two week's time. Tali might just have to wait a while.

[GipsyDangeresque]

Tali: Take it back! My wrappings and hood do NOT make me look like a ****!

/WhatiftheTaliLegionconflictwasthatbad

[Unschuld]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

I wonder if the writers had Tali behave in a similar way if you choose Legion's side?  That would make me sad.

I think I saw it on youtube once. The scene made me feel more sad and guilty than ffffuuuuiwannapunchuinthefaceM/J.

[GipsyDangeresque]

Hahahaha. Google image search is awesome.



Of course, it comes from Rune's personal stock of one trillion Tali fanarts.

[Collider]

I can't excuse Jack's behavior. She had a bad childhood, but if she's starting unnecessary conflict within the squad, she must be told off.
Miranda was untactful, but her comment was not unprovoked, considering she was "attacked" and mocked by Jack.

[Unschuld]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I can excuse Jack's behaviour, because she'd just had to recall the childhood where she'd been tortured and abused, but not Miranda's. Even though I usually resolve the situation peacefully, I deliberately sided with Jack in my current playthrough because of how much Miranda bugged me in that scene.

The Tali/Legion fight is a lot more rational on both sides.

I've honestly never been able to resolve that one amiably, and both of the characters make my blood boil in that scene. They're both interesting characters in the game, but in real life neither one has a personality I'd associate with, especially when blowing up after asking them to calm down/cease their irrational behavior. I've never had a problem resolving the Tali/Legion thing with the blue option, strangely, since I tend to do it later in game where my Para/Rena score average should be much lower and closer to neutral.

[Unschuld]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

that is what I did every time, because I would have actually sided that way. But there should be another option...

I prefer this option:

"Open the pod bay doors, EDI."

[GipsyDangeresque]

I'd like to take a moment and reflect on the new power evolutions.

Just stand back and think about the fact that Chiktikka is going to be able to shoot rockets at fools. Rockets.

(Unless chain lightning is better, it's still too early to call I guess... >.>)

[AVPen]

Atemeus wrote...

I'd like to take a moment and reflect on the new power evolutions.

Just stand back and think about the fact that Chiktikka is going to be able to shoot rockets at fools. Rockets.

(Unless chain lightning is better, it's still too early to call I guess... >.>)

Hard to say - I've heard that the long-range rockets aren't that accurate or fast-firing (at least, on the Turret they weren't), so increasing the damage of the drone's short-range shock attack (which also gives a stun effect) and giving it a chain-lightning effect might prove to be better evolutions than giving it long-range rockets.

Modifié par AVPen, 23 février 2012 - 01:14 .

[GipsyDangeresque]

I'm thinking that as a Vanguard my best friend is going to be a well-timed Sabotage from Tali. I can charge in, Nova, and then have her cover my ass by overheating the weapons of anyone that happens to be firing my way while my barrier is down for a couple of seconds.

And as a Vanguard, the more recklessly you can fight, the better.

Modifié par Atemeus, 23 février 2012 - 01:30 .