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[Krillos55]

Is it xenophobic to think too heavily on human features? I mean, everyone is so hell bent on making Tali so human as possible, it's as if everyone forgot she is an ALIEN.

So what that her placeholder looks human, the fact that you cannot see through the visor does definitely not prove that she has human features. It is deceitful.

[Pride Demon]

Krillos55 wrote...

Is it xenophobic to think too heavily on human features? I mean, everyone is so hell bent on making Tali so human as possible, it's as if everyone forgot she is an ALIEN.

So what that her placeholder looks human, the fact that you cannot see through the visor does definitely not prove that she has human features. It is deceitful.

The books state they have remarkably human like faces too...
If I'm not mistaken it says they have human like eyes with eyelids and tear ducts, human like noses, mouths with lips and teeth and ears that are strange by human standards but still somehow recognizable as ears anyway (the wording is "what passes for the Quarian equivalent of a ear" or something like that)...

Besides no, just thinking of her as very human like wouldn't be xenophobic, it would be anthropocentric...
I'd like to point out however that as far as I know very few people want a totally human like race, at most a few human like traits, but alien as well...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 05 juillet 2011 - 07:34 .

[Krillos55]

Pride Demon wrote...

Krillos55 wrote...

Is it xenophobic to think too heavily on human features? I mean, everyone is so hell bent on making Tali so human as possible, it's as if everyone forgot she is an ALIEN.

So what that her placeholder looks human, the fact that you cannot see through the visor does definitely not prove that she has human features. It is deceitful.

The books state they have remarkably human like faces too...
If I'm not mistaken it says they have human like eyes with eyelids and tear ducts, human like noses, mouths with lips and teeth and ears that are strange by human standards but still somehow recognizable as ears anyway (the wording is "what passes for the Quarian equivalent of a ear" or something like that)...

Besides no, just thinking of her as very human like wouldn't be xenophobic, it would be anthropocentric...
I'd like to point out however that as far as I know very few people want a totally human like race, at most a few human like traits, but alien as well...

How disappointing. This "anthropocentric" does never suit well with Sci-fi.
I'am sorry, but I have always viewed "near-humans" as nothing more than lack of creativity and imagination. And if Tali ended up as one, it would not only ruin the mystery with her, but the whole concept of Quarian entirely. I mean, would you all be looking forward to see them again in Mass Effect 4, with faces you that makes you grince everytime you see it?

BW is putting themselves on a deadly gamble, I tell ya.

Modifié par Krillos55, 05 juillet 2011 - 07:47 .

[Pride Demon]

Krillos55 wrote...

Pride Demon wrote...

The books state they have remarkably human like faces too...
If I'm not mistaken it says they have human like eyes with eyelids and tear ducts, human like noses, mouths with lips and teeth and ears that are strange by human standards but still somehow recognizable as ears anyway (the wording is "what passes for the Quarian equivalent of a ear" or something like that)...

Besides no, just thinking of her as very human like wouldn't be xenophobic, it would be anthropocentric...
I'd like to point out however that as far as I know very few people want a totally human like race, at most a few human like traits, but alien as well...

How disappointing. This "anthropocentric" does never suit well with Sci-fi.
I'am sorry, but I have always viewed "near-humans" as nothing more than lack of creativity and imagination. And if Tali ended up as one, it would not only ruin the mystery with her, but the whole concept of Quarian entirely. I mean, would you all be looking forward to see them again in Mass Effect 4, with faces you that makes you grince everytime you see it?

BW is putting themselves on a deadly gamble, I tell ya.

Maybe, but it seems they are aware of this: there's been a lot of difficult talks regarding a possibly revealing of Tali's face or how she (and the Quarians in general) should look like, and they are pretty... difficult...
At least that's what the devs have told us...

Anyway, as for you question, like I said many here are ok with some alien like traits, at least as far as I know...
However, some points of their physiology were given out and unless they plan to deliberately retcon them, they can't move too much from those parameters...

I'd also like to point out all those trits were said to be human like in the books, not the spitting image of a human...
Think of Thane for instance: his face is remarkably human like, but it's not exactly what I'll call a human face; if Tali ends up having a credible balance of human and alien traits I'm sure many will be happy.
Some will inhevitably be unhappy, but it's impossible to make everyone happy, so the best one can do is make the majority happy and leave the rest with something that makes them go "I'd have done it differently but I can live with this."

[Cheese of Borg]

Kikirockz wrote...

I think Tali is somewhat of reptillian origin because when talking to Mordin about romantical engagement with Tali he says to avoid "oral contact" wich is the same as he says for Thane.

That's becouse kissing transfers a hole lot of organic matter, which could be lethal for Tali. 

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I think that creating something that looks alien shows a lot of creativity on Bioware's behalf. The turians look alien, and they still look badass. I think their design is exactly the right balance between looking alien and not looking too human. Unlike the asari, as you said.

I like a lot of Tali concept art, I am open minded as to how quarians look, but I would prefer them to look alien.

[Pride Demon]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't know why people get so worked up over this. Even if quarians do have 100% human faces, and hair, they won't look like humans. Does everyone forget about everything about? About the hands, the feet, the curved shins, and the narrow wastes and broad shoulders? They have an over-all body shape that is already more alien than any species in Mass Effect besides the turians. It also gives them some non-human-like movements.

Don't worry, even if they look like elves quarians will never be as a lame as the asari who are literally just human women wearing ugly wigs with painted skin.

Frankly them not being rubber-forehead aliens would be enough. Putting ugly **** on their head and tattoos instead of hair does not make them look alien to me.

I think if done right they could look remarkably human (in the face at least) while still being very alien. Skin tone, eye shape, and eye color can go a long way towards fostering their image. At that point human traits would actually work to their advantage by providing a contrast, making them look even stranger, and thus alien.

Saphra, you have generally strong opinions and bring them on with determination... That I respect, though on most issues I would not be as confrontational as you...
I wouldn't have used your wording... But I fully agree with you nonetheless... People tend to make this issue bigger than it is... Which is more or less the point I was trying to make... Don't know if it was clear, probably not...

[Nodscouter]

Creating aliens that are human-is doesn't mean they aren't creative. If you made a creature that looks nothing at all like a human, it would be almost impossible to pick up on emotions and body-language, which is rather central to our understanding of other people. Just look at the bloody Elcor, without their little mood-indications before what they say, you would have no idea if they were screaming at you or trying to seduce you!

[Nashiktal]

Nodscouter wrote...

Creating aliens that are human-is doesn't mean they aren't creative. If you made a creature that looks nothing at all like a human, it would be almost impossible to pick up on emotions and body-language, which is rather central to our understanding of other people. Just look at the bloody Elcor, without their little mood-indications before what they say, you would have no idea if they were screaming at you or trying to seduce you!

Which is actually a central theme with the Elcor in any sort of fluff they are involved with. Go to the tech store on the citadel and listen to the conversations the Asari has with the Elcor.

[Nodscouter]

Uh, yea? I noted that.

[phantasmo]

FsDxRAGE wrote...

Hey guys, BioWare is doing a "Do you want to see Tali's face" poll on Facebook. It looks like they are trying to figure out what to do. I suggest we all go and vote.
It is on the Mass Effect 2 page I believe and please don't be stupid in the comments.

I voted "No". Why? *copy/pasting my comment there...* Unmasking Tali would be like unmasking Master Chief
or V (V from Vendetta) ... it´s the same thing that happen with
Shepard´s face/gender, custom is better than a preset, makes it more
personal... a unique character for each player...

There are as many Talis as there are ME players! *

(* Plus needs no coding, polygons or extra DLCs )

[Krillos55]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

I think that creating something that looks alien shows a lot of creativity on Bioware's behalf. The turians look alien, and they still look badass. I think their design is exactly the right balance between looking alien and not looking too human. Unlike the asari, as you said.

I like a lot of Tali concept art, I am open minded as to how quarians look, but I would prefer them to look alien.

I agree.

[Runescapeguy9]

Saphra Deden wrote...

I don't know why people get so worked up over this. Even if quarians do have 100% human faces, and hair, they won't look like humans. Does everyone forget about everything about? About the hands, the feet, the curved shins, and the narrow wastes and broad shoulders? They have an over-all body shape that is already more alien than any species in Mass Effect besides the turians. It also gives them some non-human-like movements.

Don't worry, even if they look like elves quarians will never be as a lame as the asari who are literally just human women wearing ugly wigs with painted skin.

Frankly them not being rubber-forehead aliens would be enough. Putting ugly **** on their head and tattoos instead of hair does not make them look alien to me.

I think if done right they could look remarkably human (in the face at least) while still being very alien. Skin tone, eye shape, and eye color can go a long way towards fostering their image. At that point human traits would actually work to their advantage by providing a contrast, making them look even stranger, and thus alien.

I feel weird agreeing with you. But I do. I wouldn't mind either way, though 

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Nodscouter wrote...

Creating aliens that are human-is doesn't mean they aren't creative. If you made a creature that looks nothing at all like a human, it would be almost impossible to pick up on emotions and body-language, which is rather central to our understanding of other people. Just look at the bloody Elcor, without their little mood-indications before what they say, you would have no idea if they were screaming at you or trying to seduce you!

In terms of appearance, I think that the more alien an alien race looks then the more creativity it shows. Of course, the quarian race have so much imagination in their lore and culture. Ad body language can still be expressed if a species looks alien, for example, the turians express this with their mandibles, and the geth use 'dem headflaps.'

[100k]

I personally hope that the Quarians are either just human-faced, or that they don't show them at all. I hate the knowledge that once Tali's face is revealed, fans will **** and moan like little girls for months.

[LordPennlocke]

Hmm, almost 16k votes for a Tali face reveal...

Also, /agree Saphra.

[Haventh]

Out of strong curiosity i'd very much like to see Tali's face in ME 3. Her romance in ME 2 made me even more curious and exited to see her face.

[Welsh Inferno]

The facebook poll is a landslide win for yes. Yippee! BW will still probably have trouble deciding to show her face or not. Unless that poll was ment to be the deciding factor.

[Maki Role]

Personally a reveal would be nice in my opinion. Naturally the big issue that's so often discussed is how you would do it (yeah along with what she looks like...). For me I like the whole 'build a house on Rannoch' idea, sure it's a bit cheesy, but in a way that's more realistic. People in real life do perform cliche actions, certainly I do and I know many others out there who are similar.

Why would a Rannoch house face reveal work for me? Picture you've spent the whole game defeating the reapers whilst keeping Tali alive, a feat given how BW want to make your decisions more meaningful. After you succeed, you fulfil her fathers promise. At a moment like this, even though Shepard has seen her face already, Tali removing her mask would be very symbolic as it signifies a new beginning. Personally I don't believe this would lessen the importance of Shepard seeing her face earlier. It also presents the opportunity that if you don't want to see her face, you can choose to have another ending instead.

Also first post from a very long time lurker here (approx 2 years). Not being able to add a code meant I couldn't post before this, all going to change in August hopefully when I'll be getting a computer that can actually play ME rofl. Oh and there may be a few spelling/grammar mistakes, posted from my phone so...

[Haventh]

That one looks great i think.  An interesting idea  Maki Role, i like it.

Modifié par Haventh, 05 juillet 2011 - 10:14 .

[Alienmorph]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Here is one of my favorite quarian concepts plucked from Deviant Art I believe. Human-like, but definitely NOT HUMAN. Still attractive and exotic though. It also conforms perfectly to what we can already see of quarians.



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Last try. Just follow the ****ing link.
http://postimage.org/image/16phqg90/

Make it less hairy and it could be work quite nicely.

[sites32]

Tali should have been revealed in ME2, it was the perfect time during the romance. now its got to be difficult to pick the right moment, unless its a death scene which would really suck.