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[Spartanburger]

Just know this: 85.9% of over 22,000 people have voted yes to a reveal.
If BioWare got numbers like that, what you you think they would do?

Edit: TotpT

Modifié par Spartanburger, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:09 .

[Welsh Inferno]

Im seeing mostly yes answers on twitter aswell.

http://twitter.com/#...search/@biofeed

[Alienmorph]

Spartanburger wrote...
Just know this: 85.9% of over 22,000 people have voted yes to a reveal.
If BioWare got numbers like that, what you you think they would do?

Ignore all of them. Because else, Saprha will kill our preciuos little alien in all his playtroughts as protest

[Spartanburger]

Alienmorph wrote...
Ignore all of them. Because else, Saprha will kill our preciuos little alien in all his playtroughts as protest

Yup. The opinions of one definitely outweigh 22,000 people.

Besides, if we listen to those dirty FB users then Tali will die in a playthrough that is most certainly not mine!

[T.Attwood]

Capt_Flashheart wrote...

Hellbound555 wrote...

i cant help think seeeing tali's face might be bitter-sweet.

It would be an emotional scene, of that I have no doubt.

What kind of emotion seeing Tali's face will evoke would depend on the circumstances and her expression.
For example, if Tali's looks sad when we first see her face because the Migrant Fleet has just been destoyed or something, then of course the scene will be hard to watch.

On the other hand, if our first look at Tali's face shows her smiling with tears of joy after seeing the Quarians finally return to Rannoch, then there's not a whole lot that could make me feel anything but happy at that moment.

This raises an interesting point. If the reveal is going to happen, an important factor is 'how' it happens. I think that if the scene is *purely* Tali making her mask off while facing the camera, it simply wouldn't do the game any justice and would be obvious in what it is trying to do.
    However, if (for example), Tali has just seen the Migrant fleet been completely destroyed by the reapers, and then realises she is now the last Quarian in existance. She may feel she cannot continue living, and takes her mask off to fall ill and die, and be with the rest of her people. Alternatively, if they free their home planet, there could be a scene where the fleet lands on the surface of Rannoch, and you see Tali stepping onto the surface of the planet again for the first time in centuries. Tali then takes off her mask (along with other quarians) to breath the air that they haven't breathed in generations.

I think reveals like this would fit in perfectly with the story, and be a fitting end to an epic triology.

Edit: How does everyone else think it should happen?

Modifié par T.Attwood, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:38 .

[magnuskn]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Hi guys, cant be bothered reading 64 pages o_O wow you talimancers really have at it hard!

Anywho, about Tali's face

I support for showing us her face, but think about it, there is HUGE risk in doing so, everyone has a different opinion and how she looks, not to mention not all people like the same um.."type"? of female faces. The lead artist said in a recent interview that "either way you're going to dissapoint someone" and that about avoiding to say anything about Tali : "but that's something we will have to deal with eventually, and we're dreading it"

I hope you guys get what you're asking for but ask yourself this - if this ruins Tali for you (and trust me, it has the power to do so.) will you be able to say "It was worth it."?

The risk is too great for you guys, you must see that surely!

Nope. I think the people who matter are mature enough to not flip out if her face is not exactly like they imagined it.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Arcian wrote...

T.Attwood wrote...

This raises an interesting point. If the reveal is going to happen, an important factor is 'how' it happens. I think that if the scene is *purely* Tali making her mask off while facing the camera, it simply wouldn't do the game any justice and would be obvious in what it is trying to do.

Do the CHARACTER any justice. Her face-reveal has no bearing on the actual game, since it's just a throwaway scene that the majority of the ME fandom doesn't particularly care for, or will experience for that matter (seeing as it will probably be romance-related... if it happens, that is).

T.Attwood wrote...   

However, if (for example), Tali has just seen the Migrant fleet been completely destroyed by the reapers, and then realises she is now the last Quarian in existance. She may feel she cannot continue living, and takes her mask off to fall ill and die, and be with the rest of her people.

You do realize that would be an extremely slow and agonizing death? A gunshot to the head would be less painful. And instant, for that matter.

T.Attwood wrote...

Alternatively, if they free their home planet, there could be a scene where the fleet lands on the surface of Rannoch, and you see Tali stepping onto the surface of the planet again for the first time in centuries.

Uh, sure, but the way you worded it, you're implying she's been there before. The proper wording would be "Stepping onto the surface of the planet for the first time in her life."

No currently living quarian has actually been to the homeworld, so phrasing it as a return doesn't make any sense, for Tali or for any other quarian.

Grammar ****, I know, but that's how I roll.

T.Attwood wrote...

Tali then takes off her mask (along with other quarians) to breath the air that they haven't breathed in generations.

Which promptly kills them all.

Their immune system didn't grow stronger just because they retook the homeworld, you know.

Yes because one breath of air would kill them all...
Most of your above....response was of fairly high quality.
But that part is a bit of an embellishment.

[CroGamer002]

^Well, they would die unless they get treatment very fast.

It will take a long time for them to get used to without suits.

Modifié par Mesina2, 06 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[Spartanburger]

T.Attwood wrote...


Edit: How does everyone else think it should happen?

I think that your second idea, the one that takes place on the return to Rannoch, is a great idea.


I have another idea that depends a bit on plot. Basically, assuming that Kai Leng is going to be set on you, Kai Leng takes your LI hotage in order to draw you out. 
There is a bit of a cinematic where he holds your LI with a gun to his/her head and says a few things (there is not Paragon/Renegade 'press to win' thing here) that would eventually end with him saying something like "You can't save everyone." before injuring your LI. In the case of Tali, it would involve a visor smashing.
At this point you have a battle that, depending on how fast it takes you to win, will determine weather or not you LI dies from the wounds inflicted. 
If Shepard takes too long you het a heartfelt scene where the LI dies in your arms.
If Shepard finishes the fight fast, the final blow would end with a short cinematic with Shepard rushing to save his/her LI, with Kai saying something like "Why do you bother, Shepard? [if alien LI] You're stronger without him/her. You can't save him/her." To which Shepard simply says "I can try" or "watch me" before rushing off with the LI in his/her arms to bring them to a medical bay.


That's what I thought up, but I don't really know how well it would be until it works.
I just want to have a scene where someone tells Shepard that he "can't save everyone"
where you have a paragon option of replying "I can try." and a renegade option of replying "watch me."

[Spartanburger]

Arcian wrote...



No currently living quarian has actually been to the homeworld, so phrasing it as a return doesn't make any sense, for Tali or for any other quarian.

Grammar ****, I know, but that's how I roll.

That's true, but it is seen as a return if you look at the Quarian race as a whole. The Quarian people did live there once. Yes, nobody that did is alive today (at least, that's what it is safe to assume. We don't really know how long Quarian lifespans are, but it's pretty safe to assume that it's similar to, maybe a little shorter, than humans) but the society is returning, not just the individuals.

T.Attwood wrote...

Which promptly kills them all.

Their immune system didn't grow stronger just because they retook the homeworld, you know.

Tali says it herself, if a stray piece of bacteria could kill them then they'd all be dead right now.
As far as I believe, their immune systems are intact, it's just that the white blood cells and the other organisms that would normally fight an infection are not trained to do their job. I'm not sure how exactly to word it, but it's like with us. If we get a disease, it hurst us the first time, but if we get it again soon after it passes the first time, it lasts much shorter because the organisms in your body that fight them just fought them.

Blarg, I didn't do too well in biology, so I'm probably kilometers from the truth.

[Alienmorph]

So (not angry, I'm just asking) you think that a quarian can manage a way to stay a few hours out of the suit for sexual activities and survive, but that spending a pair of minutes to breath the air of his/her homeworld will be deadly or fatally compromise his/her health?

Modifié par Alienmorph, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:20 .

[ZeroCrewX]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

I hope you guys get what you're asking for but ask yourself this - if this ruins Tali for you (and trust me, it has the power to do so.) will you be able to say "It was worth it."?

The risk is too great for you guys, you must see that surely!

It won't ruin her. Period. I'm getting a little tired of this argument over and over and over and over again, like her face is the only thing thats interesting about her or something. Its BW's game, what the quarians look like is totally up to them.

Relax kid and careful who you jump at.

Seriously can people in these forums chill the fk out? As soon as someone says the name of your fairytale romance you don't even bother thinking "oh maybe I should be polite he was too" you just slam at the person and dont even realize that MAYBE he didnt mean it in a negative way.

This community is going down the drain!
The number of retarded morons we have here is mind boggling. 

Moving on, I just stated my opinion in a very polite and friendly way, I got two answer both of which offerred nothing to what I said other than "OMG I HAVE TO HAS TALI FACE U R NOT A TALI FAN U NO SPEAK DIS STUFFS"

Immature and pathetic. Also, you give talimancers a bad name, instead of acting civilized, you act like a 5 year old.

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[CroGamer002]

Arcian wrote...

Alienmorph wrote...

So (not angry, I'm just asking) you think that a quarian can manage a way to stay a few hours out of the suit for sexual activities and survive, but that spending a pair of minutes to breath the air of his/her homeworld will be deadly or fatally compromise his/her health?

Like I said, it was an exaggeration. I don't think breathing Rannoch air would actually kill them... unless we're talking about extensive hours and eating/drinking from polluted sources.

Still, getting sick while preparing to rebuild the homeworld and fortify it against the Reapers is a pretty bad idea. Sick people can't work.

Basically, breathing Rannoch air, while symbolic, is a pretty lousy idea for the quarians. Not worth getting sick over. I mean, Rannoch isn't Shepard.

:D:D:D:D:D:D

Quarians should ban Shepard to come on Rannoch.

[Welsh Inferno]

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Relax kid and careful who you jump at.

I am relaxed.  I don't get mad over teh interwebs.

[Spartanburger]

Arcian wrote...
Sick people can't work.

That all depends on the severity of the sickenss though.
When Tali was recovering from her... activites... with Shepard, she was still working. It wasn't really physical work as she just needs to stand there and fiddle with the engine, but nonetheless, it was work.

[Alienmorph]

Arcian wrote...
Like I said, it was an exaggeration. I don't think breathing Rannoch air would actually kill them... unless we're talking about extensive hours and eating/drinking from polluted sources.

Yes, in that case would be devastating for them, I don't think anyone here would think seriously that quarians will be just able to remove their suits and live happily on Rannoch without them.

Arcian wrote...
Still, getting sick while preparing to rebuild the homeworld and fortify it against the Reapers is a pretty bad idea. Sick people can't work.

Basically, breathing Rannoch air, while symbolic, is a pretty lousy idea for the quarians. Not worth getting sick over. I mean, Rannoch isn't Shepard.

About that also, I don't think that we where talking of ALL quarians pulling off their masks at the same time. Only the first group of them who'll land on the planet, who'll be necessairly a small team who'll do that as symbolic gesture, as you said. Not exactly compromising critically the efficence of the whole species.

And while Rannoch isn't off course Shepard, it's still the safest place, beside a clean room, where a quarian may be out of his/her suit. I doubt that they'll have some more critic reaction than happens while mating a non-quarian, unless they contract some local bacteria, but that's why antibiotic exist.

Modifié par Alienmorph, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[ZeroCrewX]

Welsh Inferno wrote...

ZeroCrewX wrote...

Relax kid and careful who you jump at.

I am relaxed.  I don't get mad over teh interwebs.

Oh I guess you're just impolite then. Glad we cleared that up. Here's a tip for future reference : Instead of jumping at someone because your favorite character's name popped up, how about you offer a constructive and productive to the forum answer. Instead of : "blah blah blah blah PERIOD blah blah blah she iz not just a face blah blah blah" That is what I read from your answer, and that is what you offerred.

Modifié par ZeroCrewX, 06 juillet 2011 - 02:36 .

[CroGamer002]

Spartanburger wrote...

Arcian wrote...
Sick people can't work.

That all depends on the severity of the sickenss though.
When Tali was recovering from her... activites... with Shepard, she was still working. It wasn't really physical work as she just needs to stand there and fiddle with the engine, but nonetheless, it was work.

She was just allergic.

[T.Attwood]

Alienmorph wrote...

So (not angry, I'm just asking) you think that a quarian can manage a way to stay a few hours out of the suit for sexual activities and survive, but that spending a pair of minutes to breath the air of his/her homeworld will be deadly or fatally compromise his/her health?

Yeah, I was under the impression that Tali is actually fine *on* her home world. The problem occurs when she is outside her home world. It wouldn't make sense for a species to have evolved on a world then suddenly become intolerant to it. After all, they would have all died off long ago otherwise. From my understanding, there is some link between the insects (or plants, I can't quite remember), and so if those insects aren't there, (i.e. any place outside her home world), her lack of immune system becomes a problem. I assume that these 'insects/plants' are still there on Rannoch, so the quarians would survive when they return?

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Arcian wrote...

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

Yes because one breath of air would kill them all...
Most of your above....response was of fairly high quality.

Don't let a single rant color your impression of me. I'm very civil and well-mannered when I'm not getting riled up over the fact that the quarians are going full retard at the speed of light, and that Tali is (understandably) defending them. Truthfully, she's alright. Her people Aren't.

Grand Admiral Cheesecake wrote...

But that part is a bit of an embellishment.

It was also a blatant exaggeration. I still believe that I got my point across.

Taking off their masks on Rannoch wouldn't exactly be the most healthy thing for them. Symbolic, maybe, but not worth the inevitable sickleave - especially not when they need to rebuild the homeworld.

[Turian-Garrus92]

I really wanna see tali's face....

They said it is either gonna be something beautiful or something hideous....

And for some reason i dont want it to be something anywhere close to human structure, want it to be completely different even if it means she has to be ugly at some degree, but i hope they do a good looking Tali that looks like it has nothing human about her then i wil be happy...