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[KingofEverything]

Has anyone ever considered the possibility that there is another, very simple way to save Tali? Tali becomes stranded on some unknown planet so long as she is on the Normandy when it goes down right? Seperated from Shepard and the rest of civilization.

You can save Shepard's life however, and have him be sent back to earth at the end, if you do things perfectly.

That's becasue during the final mission where you do whatever it is you need to do, Shepard is not ON the Normandy.

Logically speaking, neither will the two squadmates that you bring with you on that final mission. Thus, isn't it possible that what the devs did is deliberately give us the possibility of saving two of our squad? If Shepard manages to survive the end, then maybe he can save at least the two people who were with him to.

By the way, I'm new here  loved Mass Effect for a long time (could never play the first because I have a PS3, but went to great lengths to learn the story of it), and have been a spectator of these boards for a while, but with ME3 coming out so soon, I figured it was time to get an account.

[Collider]

The two squad mates Shepard is with magically teleport to the Normandy and therefore crash lands on Gilligan's Planet anyway.

[Nkromelow]

Collider wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

You have to admit.
Knowing the ending makes the Tali X Garrus thing easier to swallow.

I don't see it as a big deal, to be honest.
If you didn't romance either of them, it's better for them to move on.
I suppose the pairing itself isn't very good, though.
But...perhaps many of you would say it's better than the Kal'Reegar x Tali ship.

I think that Kal'Reegar x Tali is much more reasonable/believable/acceptable than Garrus x Tali. Garrus x Tali just doesn't make sense, Tali would probably die very quickly.

[KingofEverything]

Collider wrote...

The two squad mates Shepard is with magically teleport to the Normandy and therefore crash lands on Gilligan's Planet anyway.

What? How? Why? If they are right there with you up till the end (and as noble as Para Shepard is, he's not the kind to really say "It's too dangerous, go back and let me risk my life" with something this important) then why would they suddenly pop back onto the Normandy?

Modifié par KingofEverything, 01 mars 2012 - 07:08 .

[Nkromelow]

KingofEverything wrote...

Collider wrote...

The two squad mates Shepard is with magically teleport to the Normandy and therefore crash lands on Gilligan's Planet anyway.

What? How? Why? If they are right there with you up till the end (and as noble as Para Shepard is, he's not the kind to really say "It's too dangerous, go back and let me risk my life" with something this important) then why would they suddenly pop back onto the Normandy?

Shepard gets seperated from his crew by Harbinger and tells them to go back to the Normandy during the final mission.

[Collider]

Nvm.

Modifié par Collider, 01 mars 2012 - 07:17 .

[KingofEverything]

Nkromelow wrote...

KingofEverything wrote...

Collider wrote...

The two squad mates Shepard is with magically teleport to the Normandy and therefore crash lands on Gilligan's Planet anyway.

What? How? Why? If they are right there with you up till the end (and as noble as Para Shepard is, he's not the kind to really say "It's too dangerous, go back and let me risk my life" with something this important) then why would they suddenly pop back onto the Normandy?

Shepard gets seperated from his crew by Harbinger and tells them to go back to the Normandy during the final mission.

That...that is so UNFAIR! Two squadmates! That's all I ask for, just TWO! Is that too much to hope? Tali and either Javik or Garrus! If I could just save them by bringing them with me, even if I couldn't save ANYBODY else on the Normandy, then it would be a painful and bittersweet, but emotionally satisfying end.

 ...Just...just two...

I feel like they threw that in just to make sure that your loss was complete, so that you couldn't even come out with something that lessened the blow in our hearts. Sadistic jerks...

That's it! My new belief is that when the Normandy goes kaput, it really just lands on a planet in the neighboring star system, and the Normandy's FTL engines can be repaired just enough to get them back to Earth.

Unless there is a way to get a real better ending, that is what I believe now.

Tali will live. Tali MUST live. I...I love her...

Modifié par KingofEverything, 01 mars 2012 - 07:30 .

[Collider]

Tali's going to live unless you make huge mistakes (and you'll probably know that you are) or do something she wouldn't like. You're fine there.

[DXLelouch15]

make 2 saves one where you do the romance stuff the other where you dont recruit her use the dont recruit her ending assume she ends up on earth with you in shepard alive ending proceed to celebrat and give Bioware a middlefinger

[Olueq]

Saphra for once, just shut up.

[Rip504]

Can someone point me in the direction of these "Art of ME Tali face pics"?

[KingofEverything]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

make 2 saves one where you do the romance stuff the other where you dont recruit her use the dont recruit her ending assume she ends up on earth with you in shepard alive ending proceed to celebrat and give Bioware a middlefinger

Yeah, I know, I've been reading the topic...still doesn't change the fact that I can't do both. I can't love Tali and save her.

Can someone explain to me exactly what happens in this "Merge" or "Synergy" ending that I have heard so much about? Maybe even if it doesn't save Tali, it can give me some blimmer of hope. That's the special "NG+" ending right? Or have I misinterpreted that as well?

That's the element that I don't think Bioware gets. Hard endings, sad endings, even gutwrenching endings can be good, but they have to have a glimmer of hope that at least gives us the possibility that as bad as things are, they could get better, or be somehow salvaged. I guess that's what they were going for with the whole "Civilization might one day be able to return", but quite frankly, I don't care about civilization! I care about the people and aliens whom I have grown to love over the years!

They should realize this because Mordin even says it. The galaxy is big, impersonal, a statistic, hard to care about. It's the individual people in the galaxy who give it context, humanize it, give us reason to care. If they don't survive, even if the galaxy does, why should I care?

Even if Shepard died, I would rather that happen and be able to save at least a couple of my favorite people then what we were given. At least that would make it seem like he died for someone that he loves. It would humanize him much more then dying for the galaxy (not that he needs that, but still).

Tali's romance is the most important thing for me, as far as the character interactions and personal relations element of the game goes, as as fantastic as the gameplay is, that is the best part of this series.

Oh Miss vas Normandy...please be safe until you and Shepard can be reunited. Regardless of how bleak it might seem, I refuse to believe that you will be seperated forever.

[Collider]

Nothing you do in the endings affects Tali's survival. Chill out.

[Olueq]

KingofEverything wrote...

DXLelouch15 wrote...

make 2 saves one where you do the romance stuff the other where you dont recruit her use the dont recruit her ending assume she ends up on earth with you in shepard alive ending proceed to celebrat and give Bioware a middlefinger

Yeah, I know, I've been reading the topic...still doesn't change the fact that I can't do both. I can't love Tali and save her.

Can someone explain to me exactly what happens in this "Merge" or "Synergy" ending that I have heard so much about? Maybe even if it doesn't save Tali, it can give me some blimmer of hope. That's the special "NG+" ending right? Or have I misinterpreted that as well?

That's the element that I don't think Bioware gets. Hard endings, sad endings, even gutwrenching endings can be good, but they have to have a glimmer of hope that at least gives us the possibility that as bad as things are, they could get better, or be somehow salvaged. I guess that's what they were going for with the whole "Civilization might one day be able to return", but quite frankly, I don't care about civilization! I care about the people and aliens whom I have grown to love over the years!

They should realize this because Mordin even says it. The galaxy is big, impersonal, a statistic, hard to care about. It's the individual people in the galaxy who give it context, humanize it, give us reason to care. If they don't survive, even if the galaxy does, why should I care?

Even if Shepard died, I would rather that happen and be able to save at least a couple of my favorite people then what we were given. At least that would make it seem like he died for someone that he loves. It would humanize him much more then dying for the galaxy (not that he needs that, but still).

Tali's romance is the most important thing for me, as far as the character interactions and personal relations element of the game goes, as as fantastic as the gameplay is, that is the best part of this series.

Oh Miss vas Normandy...please be safe until you and Shepard can be reunited. Regardless of how bleak it might seem, I refuse to believe that you will be seperated forever.

The merge ending meges all life with synthetic life. So the idea is that finding food for Tali and Garrus would be less of a problem. This is assuming that food is even a problem and no just something thats simply been over analyzed and misunderstood by fans.

[Collider]

Teehee. It's amusing how overblown the food thing is.

[KingofEverything]

Collider wrote...

Nothing you do in the endings affects Tali's survival. Chill out.

Sorry, got a little too emotional. But seriously, alive or not, if she is forever cut off from society and, more importantly, from Shepard, she might as well be dead for the sake of the story.

I still have hope however. I'll figure out a way to save her

Edit: The food thing doesn't even bother me really. Yeah, it wold be a problem, but there are so many zillions of possibilities that could potentially help with that, and I don't think that Bioware's intent was for things to be quite that bleak for two of the most popular of the Normandy crew, but it does make me feel better to tihnk that the synergy ending gives a bit more potential hope. Thanks for that.

Modifié par KingofEverything, 01 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Olueq]

Collider wrote...

Teehee. It's amusing how overblown the food thing is.

Yeah.. Though I still kind of want to leave Tali with the fleet since then She can still meet up with shepard afterwards. Its a possibility.

[Olueq]

Honestly, Its Talis safety on the fleet during the final battle that worries me the most.

Modifié par Olueq, 01 mars 2012 - 07:53 .

[Collider]

Olueq wrote...

Honestly, Its Talis safety on the fleet during the final battle that worries me.

If you have enough war assets you have nothing to worry about.

[Olueq]

Collider wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Honestly, Its Talis safety on the fleet during the final battle that worries me.

If you have enough war assets you have nothing to worry about.

HOW DO WE KNOW DAMMIT?

[Collider]

The same way we know everything else.