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[KleinesWehWehchen]

glenboy24 wrote...

KleinesWehWehchen wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

KleinesWehWehchen wrote...
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Well, I hear that the first time, but if this turns out to be true, it would be awesome.

There's actually a really fantastic breakdown of the endings depending on your EMS Points (War Resources) that's starting to float around forums over on The Escapist, IGN, Kotaku, and elsewhere. I don't want to get banned so I won't post the link but it essentially clarifies what people are upset about. Now, there are somethings I don't like, particularly a Flashback sequence that apparently has a really stupid Tali related glitch that I won't go into detail on, and the endings smack of a massive DLC or Expansion that will allow you to pick the "True" ending in a kind of Epilogue; but, for the most part, there is a Paragon Ending where everyone survives, including Shepard. It just requires an *ungodly* amount of War Resources. Something like 5000 EMS. Hopefully you can gather it in-game because if I have to play that frakking Multiplayer to get it, so help me...

That's pretty new news to me. However, as much as I know the maximum you can gather in singleplayer is about 4000 EMS. If you want more you have to play MP.

[Collider]

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

[KleinesWehWehchen]

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Doesn't Shepard survive at 4000 EMS already. I read somwhere that this depends on some other choice you do?

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Which serves what purpose though if nothing else changes? And I'll ask again, why is there an in-game outfit of the breathing bink cutscene? Does the script say what Shepard does?

[KleinesWehWehchen]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Which serves what purpose though if nothing else changes? And I'll ask again, why is there an in-game outfit of the breathing bink cutscene? Does the script say what Shepard does?

Right, I totally forgot that in-game outfit. It could mean that there's a in-game cutscene (Shepard alive) we don't know about yet.

[Collider]

KleinesWehWehchen wrote...

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Doesn't Shepard survive at 4000 EMS already. I read somwhere that this depends on some other choice you do?

Shepard survives with 4000 EMS if you also achieved certain other things.
I assume it's probably in the way of protecting the races as best you can. I would guess Geth/Quarian peace is part of the prerequisites, in other words.

If you didn't achieve those things, you need 5000 EMS points for Shepard to survive.

[Collider]

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Which serves what purpose though if nothing else changes? And I'll ask again, why is there an in-game outfit of the breathing bink cutscene? Does the script say what Shepard does?

Shepard is heavily injured during the time he makes the end game decision. That's what the outfit is for.
What purpose does the survival of Shepard serve? Bringing a little more happiness to the fans. Some of them, anyway.

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Collider wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Which serves what purpose though if nothing else changes? And I'll ask again, why is there an in-game outfit of the breathing bink cutscene? Does the script say what Shepard does?

Shepard is heavily injured during the time he makes the end game decision. That's what the outfit is for.
What purpose does the survival of Shepard serve? Bringing a little more happiness to the fans. Some of them, anyway.

Damn...

[Sovereign Xfire]

Has tali's face really not been leaked yet... It... is... literally... killing me

[Tazzmission]

KleinesWehWehchen wrote...

Ghost Rider LSOV wrote...

Collider wrote...

The only extra you get from 4000/5000 EMS is that Shepard survives in the destroy ending.

Which serves what purpose though if nothing else changes? And I'll ask again, why is there an in-game outfit of the breathing bink cutscene? Does the script say what Shepard does?

Right, I totally forgot that in-game outfit. It could mean that there's a in-game cutscene (Shepard alive) we don't know about yet.

or shepard could end up as dlc with the normandy crew as a aftermath dlc 

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

Sovereign Xfire wrote...

Has tali's face really not been leaked yet... It... is... literally... killing me

No, it hasn't.

I'm sure someone would post it here (or a troll-pic) just to spite us.

Modifié par Ghost Rider LSOV, 02 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[Collider]

or shepard could end up as dlc with the normandy crew as a aftermath dlc

I believe it was said that any DLC they do would occur before the final battle.

[Nkromelow]

Here's a pic:

[Tazzmission]

Collider wrote...

or shepard could end up as dlc with the normandy crew as a aftermath dlc

I believe it was said that any DLC they do would occur before the final battle.

they also said mp wouldnt be in.


and lets be honest here for a second and i admit i do tend to defend bioware alot but do you really think there just going to let there iconic hero die without some form of possible dlc in me3 and me3 alone concerning him and it could be his rescue or it could be his past like acuze?


it would be like lucas killing luke in return of the jedi

Modifié par Tazzmission, 02 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Femlob]

glenboy24 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

They know how much the fans love Tali; she's easily the most popular character next to Liara. Casey Hudson wouldn't allow something with that much possible backlash into the game, regardless of how "Artistic" the ME writing team might see it.

He didn't just allow it into the game - he allowed the game with it in it to be shipped.

Casey's not on your side, buddy.

Dude, this entire thing with her dying is speculation based on the assumptions of a possible Troll who didn't even play the game. I've read the leaks, all of them, there is *nothing* that indicates Tali dies when stranded. It's a few descriptive lines indicating that "They're Stranded." That's pretty much it. People are just taking Trollish comments at face value. As previously stated, Casey wouldn't screw over Tali or Garrus fans, it's just not in the game's best interest. It has nothing to do with him being on or not being on anyone's side. It's simple logic.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that if you're an overly dramatic RP'er and you want some Shakespearean tradegy in your playthrough ME3 will oblige, but there isn't a darn thing in the leak that indicates Tali + Isolated Planet = Death with no options to save her *other* then leaving her back with the Flotilla. And even though *some* of the endings for the game are chalk full of "R.I.P." Character moments, there are also several Epic Win endings, including the one Super Mega Happy ending that results if you actually get all allies and gather all War Resources; which is possible, just insanely time consuming.   

The "Tali (and Garrus) starving" thing is extrapolation based on lore and common sense (dextro-based life forms on an amino-based planet; that's not going to end well). There is no definitive proof one way or the other as of yet, to the best of my knowledge, but to label the proof and indicators we do have in the spoilers group as "assumptions from a Troll who didn't even play the game" is, quite frankly, stupid.

As for "Epic Win" endings, there are none. This much has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Even the best possible ending is light-years removed from "Super Mega Happy".

[KingofEverything]

I don't get why Shepard be grateful for having survived if everyone whom he had ever cared for was seperated from him forever, dead for all he knows (although I am of the opinion that they don't have to be dead at all), it almost seems more merciful to allow him to die.

On the other hand, where there is life, there is hope. Tali, as we all know, is a mechanical genius, and just because the Mass Effect relays don't work anymore doesn't mean that all their other means of FTL travel is now kaput. It might be the difference in years, maybe decades depending on how far from they are from Earth at the time, to go across the galaxy rather then moments, but that's still better than tens of thousands of years.

Also, the Asari alone had been using the Mass Relays for thousands of years. They must have been studying them. That's not counting the brilliant Salarians and the Turians, the mechanical wizard Quarians, or even the Humans for as short a time as they had been in the galaxy. If memory serves me right, I think I even remember hearing someone say that the Protheans either had already cracked them or were darn close to doing so as well. Mars alone might hold the key to getting a decent replacement up and running, or even some intel that Javik might have.

Once that is done, Shepard won't rest until his team is found. We all know that. He's the kind of guy who pulls of miracles on a regular basis. He'll find a way. And if he won't, then Tali will.

[XX55XX]

But, it's the end of Shepard's story, though. The next ME game will likely focus on the thousands of years since the Great Reaper War. There will be a new set of characters, new protagonist, etc.

[DeinonSlayer]

Femlob wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

They know how much the fans love Tali; she's easily the most popular character next to Liara. Casey Hudson wouldn't allow something with that much possible backlash into the game, regardless of how "Artistic" the ME writing team might see it.

He didn't just allow it into the game - he allowed the game with it in it to be shipped.

Casey's not on your side, buddy.

Dude, this entire thing with her dying is speculation based on the assumptions of a possible Troll who didn't even play the game. I've read the leaks, all of them, there is *nothing* that indicates Tali dies when stranded. It's a few descriptive lines indicating that "They're Stranded." That's pretty much it. People are just taking Trollish comments at face value. As previously stated, Casey wouldn't screw over Tali or Garrus fans, it's just not in the game's best interest. It has nothing to do with him being on or not being on anyone's side. It's simple logic.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that if you're an overly dramatic RP'er and you want some Shakespearean tradegy in your playthrough ME3 will oblige, but there isn't a darn thing in the leak that indicates Tali + Isolated Planet = Death with no options to save her *other* then leaving her back with the Flotilla. And even though *some* of the endings for the game are chalk full of "R.I.P." Character moments, there are also several Epic Win endings, including the one Super Mega Happy ending that results if you actually get all allies and gather all War Resources; which is possible, just insanely time consuming.   

The "Tali (and Garrus) starving" thing is extrapolation based on lore and common sense (dextro-based life forms on an amino-based planet; that's not going to end well). There is no definitive proof one way or the other as of yet, to the best of my knowledge, but to label the proof and indicators we do have in the spoilers group as "assumptions from a Troll who didn't even play the game" is, quite frankly, stupid.

As for "Epic Win" endings, there are none. This much has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Even the best possible ending is light-years removed from "Super Mega Happy".

Arguably, the "best possible ending" is worse than the "lesser" ending where Shepard dies. I know if my Shepard was forceably, and permanently, cut off from everyone he loved, he'd eat his pistol before the day was out.

Unless it's confirmed there's a possible ending where the Normandy crew isn't nonsensically marooned on Nowheria - just one - I won't be buying this game.

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 02 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[Collider]

Some Shepards care about the galaxy in general. And Shepard just saved it.
Being alive on earth means the chance to start a new life and meet new people. And regarded as a hero, no less. It's not the worst fate imaginable.

[Femlob]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

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Arguably, the "best possible ending" is worse than the "lesser" ending where Shepard dies. I know if my Shepard was forceably, and permanently, cut off from everyone he loved, he'd eat his pistol before the day was out.

Aye, that's been subject of discussion for some time now over at the spoilers group. I don't have a strong opinion on the matter, but one of the factors that most people agree on is that one cannot look at the endings from a perspective of alignment.

If nothing else, at least they got that right. The whole "Paragon vs. Renegade" business has gotten old fast.

Modifié par Femlob, 02 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[XenoAlbedo]

Grr, can we stop talking about this until after March 6th when we know what actually happens. What we know so far may not be entirely true. We can't know any of this stuff for sure until the game actually comes out.

[Femlob]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Grr, can we stop talking about this until after March 6th when we know what actually happens. What we know so far may not be entirely true. We can't know any of this stuff for sure until the game actually comes out.

Believe what you will - it's not my funeral.

[XX55XX]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Grr, can we stop talking about this until after March 6th when we know what actually happens. What we know so far may not be entirely true. We can't know any of this stuff for sure until the game actually comes out.

The sources who have provided the ending leaks are very reliable people, thank you very much. They were QA testers for the game who just broke their NDA. 

[DXLelouch15]

if they were game testers then why in the blue hell didnt they tell bioware the endings were too grimdark

[Femlob]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

if they were game testers then why in the blue hell didnt they tell bioware the endings were too grimdark

Oh, if only Quality Assurance had that much influence - we'd all have be better off.

Google around some - you'll find that 99 out of a 100 bugs, glitches and general f*ck-ups in any game in the history of every game ever have indeed been reproduced and reported by QA only to be ignored by the people who want the game shipped as soon as possible.

In the end, it's all about the money.

Modifié par Femlob, 02 mars 2012 - 01:23 .