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[jtav]

Because that's not their job. They're bug squashers. The writers did this because they wanted to. "Grimdark" was their intention. and they executed it ruthlessly.

[DXLelouch15]

who invented grimdark anyways this world would be a better place without it to be honest

[RogueWriter3201]

Femlob wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Femlob wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

They know how much the fans love Tali; she's easily the most popular character next to Liara. Casey Hudson wouldn't allow something with that much possible backlash into the game, regardless of how "Artistic" the ME writing team might see it.

He didn't just allow it into the game - he allowed the game with it in it to be shipped.

Casey's not on your side, buddy.

Dude, this entire thing with her dying is speculation based on the assumptions of a possible Troll who didn't even play the game. I've read the leaks, all of them, there is *nothing* that indicates Tali dies when stranded. It's a few descriptive lines indicating that "They're Stranded." That's pretty much it. People are just taking Trollish comments at face value. As previously stated, Casey wouldn't screw over Tali or Garrus fans, it's just not in the game's best interest. It has nothing to do with him being on or not being on anyone's side. It's simple logic.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm sure that if you're an overly dramatic RP'er and you want some Shakespearean tradegy in your playthrough ME3 will oblige, but there isn't a darn thing in the leak that indicates Tali + Isolated Planet = Death with no options to save her *other* then leaving her back with the Flotilla. And even though *some* of the endings for the game are chalk full of "R.I.P." Character moments, there are also several Epic Win endings, including the one Super Mega Happy ending that results if you actually get all allies and gather all War Resources; which is possible, just insanely time consuming.   

The "Tali (and Garrus) starving" thing is extrapolation based on lore and common sense (dextro-based life forms on an amino-based planet; that's not going to end well). There is no definitive proof one way or the other as of yet, to the best of my knowledge, but to label the proof and indicators we do have in the spoilers group as "assumptions from a Troll who didn't even play the game" is, quite frankly, stupid.

As for "Epic Win" endings, there are none. This much has been proven beyond the shadow of a doubt. Even the best possible ending is light-years removed from "Super Mega Happy".

If you read further down the thread I did amend some points as I discovered new information. From all said information I've gathered (free from Trolling and loose speculations) there is only one really "good" ending that has everyone surviving, including Shepard, but it takes completing certain events a certain way, mainly Paragon. "Fans" assuming Tali dies after the Crash *is* a mix of blind assumptions based on very little evidence and speculation, calling them on it isn't stupid, it's trying to help others in the Tali-Nation from falling prey to misleading information. There is no "Proof" as it's based solely on people saying, "I've seen the ending," or "I've read it in the leak." I too have read the leaks and watched some audio clips. I have not seen or heard anything that can't be left open to interpretation. 

Also, the Dextro argument doesn't hold a lot of weight as we don't *know* what happens after the crash other then that they're all stranded together on a world that's lacking in certain things. I mean, do you really think the crew of the Normandy, with some of the best minds and greatest Heroes in the Galaxy left onboard even after the Crash won't be able to overcome something like Living enviornments and diet issues after *everything* they've been through? At this point, saying "It looks like Tali and Garrus die" is really just certain dramatic/tragedy oriented gamers saying, "In my continuity, Tali and Garrus die." Just like the one guy above who said if his Shepard was stranded far from Earth his Shepard would kill himself. Okay, that's his continuity I guess.

However, bottom-line, it looks like BioWare is leaving even the Paragon conclusion opened ended, if bittersweet. As long as Shepard and the Crew survives (which we know is possible with 4000 EMS) the likelyhood of any of them meeting a **** end on the isolated planet is slim. None the less, when everything is said and done, I'll admit I'm not defending this ending. Honestly, I'm less then thrilled with it. I'll be interested to see what kind of backlash, if any, this narrative choice brings about.  

[DXLelouch15]

Garrus is technically Space Batman

[Volc19]

I am absolutely astonished that Tali's face has yet to surface, even though pretty much the entire game is leaked.

[RogueWriter3201]

Saphra Deden wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...


Also, the Dextro argument doesn't hold a lot of weight as we don't *know* what happens after the crash other then that they're all stranded together on a world that's lacking in certain things. I mean, do you really think the crew of the Normandy, with some of the best minds and greatest Heroes in the Galaxy left onboard even after the Crash won't be able to overcome something like Living enviornments and diet issues after *everything* they've been through?

Yes I really do think that because nobody on the Normandy has wizard powers.

Yeah, there's this amazing mystical force called "Science," and a good portion of the Normany crew, including EDI, Doctor Chakwas or Michel, and other crew are quite familiar with it. Even without Mordin around, I really doubt they wouldn't be able to use the "magic" of Science to find a way to keep Tali and Garrus alive. For frick's sake...
<_<

[XenoAlbedo]

DXLelouch15 wrote...

Garrus is technically Space Batman

He's Space Batman, Ezio, Altair, Chuck Norris, Psycho, Nomad, and anyone else that is just about unbeatable.

[Not the Droid]

And now we know what resisting indoctrination feels like.

Tali rules

[DXLelouch15]

Mordins ghost finds the normandy and tells them how yea that happened

[dw99027]

If we're going to with lore and assume the Dextros die of malnutrition , then Earth is pretty much done as well. The amount of Eezo from the space battle will cause a 90% stillborn rate among humans.

[RogueWriter3201]

Volc19 wrote...

I am absolutely astonished that Tali's face has yet to surface, even though pretty much the entire game is leaked.

It's not all that surprising. The game's been data-mined but most of that is just dialogue/text based files for scripting, flags, and so on. Some small audio and the male same sex love scene. Also, the pre-requisets for seeing Tali's face are very particular from what's been revealed. Have to have been romacing her, have to have not sided with the Geth or you have to have brokered peace, have to be on Rannoch, etc. We'll see it before launch though I'd be willing to bet.

[DXLelouch15]

would Tali be Space Xena then? or Leia?

[RogueWriter3201]

Saphra Deden wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Yeah, there's this amazing mystical force called "Science,"

What you are suggesting is not "science".

Now you're just Trolling. And I think less of myself for actually being lulled into it. Should have known better.
<_<

[DXLelouch15]

nah were retconning everything since you know the trilogy for shepard is over who cares what we retcon

[XenoAlbedo]

*Slams head into wall*
Can't we just wait for the full game? We're practically making assumptions! In-game cutscenes can change. Some things may have been left out of the space edition on purpose as so the entire game wouldn't be spoiled. Not to mention the article saying there will be many endings. Many generally is more than just the few we know about.

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 02 mars 2012 - 02:05 .

[KleinesWehWehchen]

Saphra Deden wrote...
The dextro-based food won't come from nowhere ...

Of course, it's all space magic, you know.

[DXLelouch15]

realism in my videogames ill have none of that

[Nkromelow]

glenboy24 wrote...

Volc19 wrote...

I am absolutely astonished that Tali's face has yet to surface, even though pretty much the entire game is leaked.

It's not all that surprising. The game's been data-mined but most of that is just dialogue/text based files for scripting, flags, and so on. Some small audio and the male same sex love scene. Also, the pre-requisets for seeing Tali's face are very particular from what's been revealed. Have to have been romacing her, have to have not sided with the Geth or you have to have brokered peace, have to be on Rannoch, etc. We'll see it before launch though I'd be willing to bet.

It's obviosly an anti-Tali conspiracy: Bioware must've made sure only people who dislike Tali got space editions! /end sarcasm
Seriously though, I'll give it a week after launch for a pic to be posted here.

I noticed there's no pic on this page...

[KingofEverything]

Question: We know that the crew of the Normandy get stuck on this planet, but do we know if this includes any of the ME2 or...Wrex...crewmates who didn't make it into this game as a permanent squadmates? Is there any reason to assume that Jack or Thane was or was not on the Normandy as well?

Tali is the most important character to me, but I admit I had grown attached to most of them.

[XenoAlbedo]

Saphra Deden wrote...

KleinesWehWehchen wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...
The dextro-based food won't come from nowhere ...

Of course, it's all space magic, you know.

You're right of-course. Sometimes I get confused and I think this series at least tries to be plausible from time to time.

So it's plausible for people to lift people up with their minds as biotics do? Or for holograms to hurt people? Or for hologram glove arms to shoot fire?

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 02 mars 2012 - 02:14 .