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#16401
Spartanburger

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Saphra Deden wrote...

The dextro-based food won't come from nowhere

Mass Effect already threw Energy Conservation out the window (I did the math, even though it wasn't neccesary) (If they kept up with Energy Conservation, Ezzo and the 'Mass Effect' would be irrelevant as it would still take the same amount of energy (more actually becasue of efficiency) to do the same thing.)

Well, I guess it is all theoretical physics anyway. Lets bring in some Quantum stoof and sum Dark Energy and BAM. Physics out teh windows.

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The ending already involves literal magic. Maybe everyone has levo DNA now!

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Femlob

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Thanks for taking up the battle, Saphra. I needed a break.

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yea being smart isn't the same as being divine. You can't just say, "well, the Normandy crew is pretty smart, they'll find a way to rewrite the entire genetic code of an organism from scratch in order to be consumed by two members of the group without compromising precious materials that could be used for other things for the good of the majority, assuming they can even gather together such materials because you know.....mass effect...it's the answer to everything". You can't just say that.

Team Dextro will die if they crash on a levo planet. Everyone else besides Team Dextro will die if they land on a dextro planet. The only way they could survive is if there HAPPENS to be a fully operational quarian liveship within the very same system they crashed on....and I don't see that happening.

Or, BioWare pulls some space magic out of nowhere and introduces a new amino acid chirality type that can be consumed by both dextros and levos....which would be so forced and ridiculous...

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Question: We know that the crew of the Normandy get stuck on this planet, but do we know if this includes any of the ME2 or...Wrex...crewmates who didn't make it into this game as a permanent squadmates? Is there any reason to assume that Jack or Thane was or was not on the Normandy as well?

They weren't part of the crew, they don't show up, and they're all fighting separate from Shepard anyway. So there's no reason to assume they're part of the Normandy crash.

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rather forced then they suffer -_- still talis staying on earth via not being recruited and maybe garrus too or i just have him go out like a badass against Kai Leng

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KingofEverything wrote...

Question: We know that the crew of the Normandy get stuck on this planet, but do we know if this includes any of the ME2 or...Wrex...crewmates who didn't make it into this game as a permanent squadmates? Is there any reason to assume that Jack or Thane was or was not on the Normandy as well?

Tali is the most important character to me, but I admit I had grown attached to most of them.

Thane is dead!

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 *Slams head into wall again*This is the Tali thread, not the ending thread. There is another thread for that. You want to talk about the endings then go there.

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Spartanburger wrote...

Mass Effect already threw Energy Conservation out the window...


Well yeah, but they don't have things just pop out of nowhere. Material things I mean, like plants and such. Nor do they have ships crashed on deserted planets magically repair themselves.

Without an acutal technological society to support them the SR2 is not gonna be fixed and they are as hell aren't going to whip up some revolutionary new science that lets them create dextro-based organisms for them to eat.

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XenoAlbedo wrote...

 *Slams head into wall again*This is the Tali thread, not the ending thread. There is another thread for that. You want to talk about the endings then go there.


What I'm saying is... Tali can't work magic.

Otherwise you'd say she should have repaired the SR1 mid-flight WHILE it was being destroyed and saved the ship. It's about as believable as Tali building a research lab in the wreckage of th Normandy where she creates all sorts of dextro-based life and somehow fixes the ship and makes it fly again.


XenoAlbedo wrote...

So it's plausible for people to lift
people up with their minds as biotics do? Or for holograms to hurt
people? Or for hologram glove arms to shoot fire?


No,
but... you know, sci-fi. Game play. There are limits to suspension of
disbelief. I can accept some kind of fancy technology that lets you
shoot a jet of plasma from your arm. I can... kind of accept the way
biotics work, mainly because at least in humans they require
technological augmentation to do anything.

It's hardly "science", but it is more believable than what I described above.

Also in ME1 it was stressed that in "reality" biotics had to eat a lot because using them drained their energy, requiring a high calorie died. They were potent but had no stamina. In lore at least.

Modifié par Saphra Deden, 02 mars 2012 - 02:25 .


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XenoAlbedo

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XenoAlbedo wrote...

 *Slams head into wall again*This is the Tali thread, not the ending thread. There is another thread for that. You want to talk about the endings then go there.

I shall continue to quote this until people get the idea.

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DXLelouch15

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then i say they landed on a Dexo planet and screw the rest of the crew and the epilogue is somewhere else or another reality

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Seriously guys, Shepard did survive a freefall down to some planet burned to ashes throught the atmosphere but gets suddenly revived by Cerberus. In one of the endings organic and synthetic live suddenly merges together out of nowhere. You need lots of suspension of disbelief to swallow that. Why are you keep arguing that Tali/Garrus cannot survive on some distant planet? It's all space magic, plain and simple.

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because massive resources and supremely advanced technology allowed that to happen. You're asking for something of a similar caliber to happen with literally NOTHING. There is nothing that they can scrounge up, even IF they manage to find the resources, that can fix that issue. The issue of incompatible amino acids.

Let's say they had the blueprints of how to spontaneously fabricate dextro food or to convert levo to dextro. They're under a time limit. They have until Team Dextro starves, which (depending on how turian and quarian biology works) would take about 2 weeks. You can't find all of the resources and build a magic machine in that amount of time.

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KleinesWehWehchen wrote...

Seriously guys, Shepard did survive a freefall down to some planet burned to ashes throught the atmosphere but gets suddenly revived by Cerberus. In one of the endings organic and synthetic live suddenly merges together out of nowhere. You need lots of suspension of disbelief to swallow that. Why are you keep arguing that Tali/Garrus cannot survive on some distant planet? It's all space magic, plain and simple.


You... make a pretty decent point. I kind of wish that Bioware didn't pull the "don't think about this too hard" card so often, though.

Then again, maybe the ending works in context.

Modifié par Devil Mingy, 02 mars 2012 - 02:31 .


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Saphra Deden wrote...

glenboy24 wrote...

Now you're just Trolling. And I think less of myself for actually being lulled into it. Should have known better.
<_<


I am not trolling.

Do you understand?

Science is a process. It has rules.

You can't just say "science!" and produce something from nothing. Same way you can't put a man a field of grain and have him build a starship. It doesn't matter how intelligent or resourceful he is: there is nothing to build a starship from.

The dextro-based food won't come from nowhere and they don't have the ability to duplicate what little food they have.

Therefore, they're gonna run out of food sooner or later.

How can you say that? After shepard was literally brought back from being dead for 2 years.

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Yeah, if they could bring back somebody who died from being spaced, burnt in the atmosphere, crashing onto a planet at terminal velocity, and freezing in the ice cold temperatures of the planet, then they can survive malnourisment.

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KleinesWehWehchen wrote...

Seriously guys, Shepard did survive a freefall down to some planet burned to ashes throught the atmosphere but gets suddenly revived by Cerberus. In one of the endings organic and synthetic live suddenly merges together out of nowhere. You need lots of suspension of disbelief to swallow that. Why are you keep arguing that Tali/Garrus cannot survive on some distant planet? It's all space magic, plain and simple.


I concede defeat. The powers of dumb (writing) are too strong.

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But it took them two years, MASSIVE resources, and the most brilliant human minds to give the **** you to nature.

You're asking the Normandy crew to do the same for two people before they starve to death.

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¿Does anyone know for sure, Do we see tali`s face in this game????

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ZenJestr wrote...

But it took them two years, MASSIVE resources, and the most brilliant human minds to give the **** you to nature.

You're asking the Normandy crew to do the same for two people before they starve to death.


Oh, you're right. Momentary weakness. I've been feeling sick all day. Joints ache.

Like I said, this would be as believable as Tali repairing the Normandy in the ME2 intro while it is being blasted apart, or even after it has blasted apart. She just does it and the Normandy escapes.

Not gonna happen.

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ZenJestr wrote...

But it took them two years, MASSIVE resources, and the most brilliant human minds to give the **** you to nature.

You're asking the Normandy crew to do the same for two people before they starve to death.


They wouldn't starve to death instantly. If they rationed out what they had, they could last a while, maybe long enough to solve the problem.

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ZenJestr wrote...

But it took them two years, MASSIVE resources, and the most brilliant human minds to give the **** you to nature.

You're asking the Normandy crew to do the same for two people before they starve to death.

Uhh no Im not. Im just sayin, dont underestimate science in ME.
Besides there are tons of possibilities.. Liek if the kodiak is still functional or if the Normandy can still somehow fly FTl around the system. Maybe other planets/moons arent as bad?

Modifié par Olueq, 02 mars 2012 - 02:40 .


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¿Does anyone know for sure, Do we see tali`s face in this game????

For sure, no. But some generally reliable person who has played the game has said yes. What was said was that you need to have romanced Tali to see her face.*
Otherwise, her back is to the camera when she removes her visor on Rannoch.

I suspect that they may have actually decided to have Tali's back to the camera for every Shepard in the final build, though. Who knows.

It is a bit odd that her face hasn't been leaked when we already have screenshots floating around.

*A very very brief description of her face from this person:
It's pitch black.

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do we even know if Turians and Quarians have to eat maybe they just choose to eat i mean have you ever seen them eat any during the games