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[BatmanPWNS]

I don't see the love between Kal and Tali. I think Tali just cares for him because his the only one who survived with her.

[ZenJestr]

plus they could've been friends from before. We know very little of Tali's life pre and post Pilgrimage

[ZenJestr]

I agree...which is why I think it's better if they made Kali canon instead of Gali.

better, however, doesn't always mean optimal. But whatever, idgaf


I think the reason why Kal x Tali isn't canon, however, is because Tali explicitly says that she doesn't care for another quarian.....which leaves Garrus up for grabs

Modifié par ZenJestr, 03 mars 2012 - 08:21 .

[KingofEverything]

There is so little basis for a Tali/Garrus romance because we have seen so little of their possible intereactions. The combined time from ME1 and ME2 that they have known each other aboard the Normandy has to be in the realm of months, at least, and in all that time we have only seen interactions between the two when Shepard has them both out on a mission. We have no idea if they have never spoken two words to each other or if they havve grown to be close friends outside of the missions.

I'm not saying that it makes sense, but I am saying that it isn't really that much of a stretch, if they chose to play it that way.

Don't get me wrong, Tali belongs with Shepard, absolutely, but for all those players out there who didn't romance her, it does sort of make me feel good that she at least has someone as strong, reliable, and good-hearted as Garrus.

What I want to know, is if this might mean that other romancable characters might also fall together if you don't pursue them. Would Miranda end up with Jacob? Perhaps Liara would end up with either Ashley or Kaiden, depending on which one you saved on Virmire? If so, that leaves Jack and Thane, but to be honest I can't see that at ALL, so it would be more likely to me that they would just stay by themselves (their characters seem to suit that anyways).

[Hyrist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

Tali is and outgoing and friendly person.

Hey, maybe you're right. She lets all of her subordinates address her on a first name basis. Must be why she is such a lousy officer.

Sarcasim or not, this could be a good point.

She calls her subordinate in Freedom's Progress "Prazza", and he does not respect her authroity. That group gets seriously injured, and that was WHILE Shepard was there (because they ran ahead.)

Her familiarity  with the crew and the circumstances in Haestrom winds her up to being possibly the only survivor (or her and Kal survives.) in that situation.

And in ME3, she openly admits to being a poor Admiral - only accepting the position because she felt she could help people, including Shepard - by being there.

I mean, your opinion on Garrus x Tali is noted, as is your opinion on the game itself. I too would like a Tali/Reeger combo to be possible. But I'm also ok with Garrus x Tali because I'm familiar on how love can grow in those circumstances - so it does not seem far-fetched to me.

All I can do is encourage you to aproach the situation with an open mind. It's never good to approach any kind of fiction with a negative slight against it - that ruins the experience more than a sad ending or periods of bad writing.

[Hyrist]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Not to mention what few interactions we've seen have at most amounted to them tolerating each other but hardly even being friends.

To be fair, ME1 hardly had any character development to speak of for either character, and ME2 had the the crew pretty much in isolated bubbles the entire time - BioWare never gave it the oppertunty.

According to ME3 leaked script, the two of them have more lines together than the entirty of both scripts combined.

Modifié par Hyrist, 03 mars 2012 - 08:44 .

[KingofEverything]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Not to mention what few interactions we've seen have at most amounted to them tolerating each other but hardly even being friends.

Now this I disagree with. There is at least one decent interaction between Garrus and Tali in ME2 that can easily be interpreted, at least on Garrus' end, as friendly teasing, which is only a couple steps away from flirting. It's when you take them both to the Citadel, and Garrus starts talking about what they talked about in their elevator rides in ME1.

Her reaction implies that she is not amused you are right about that, but what Garrus was doing can be interpreted a few different ways.

[DarthEmpress]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Hyrist wrote...

To be fair, ME1 hardly had any character development to speak of for either character,

Take them on the elevators together sometime.

In one convo Garrus seems to go out of his way to insult Tali and in the other he just makes a fool out of himself.

Then in ME2 he prods at her again. It's obviously meant to be friendly, but it doesn't come across to me as any more than a 'work friend' kind of thing.

I always headcanoned that they became friends in ME2, but I still think this romance in ME3 is a bit of a stretch especially since it's said that Tali isn't recruitable until near the end, I think.  So I'm not sure how a proper romance could develop...or maybe we're just seeing the beginnings of a romance?

I don't know, but I guess the writers wanted to do some non-Shepard pairing in the squad and since those two were recruitable in all games they thought it should be done...and they have the same writer and I can see him shipping them together.  Even though I like Garrus and Tali paired with characters other than Shepard, I don't like them together :/

[Arch1eviathan]

Does anyhone know if and how they show Tali's face?

[DarthEmpress]

KingofEverything wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Not to mention what few interactions we've seen have at most amounted to them tolerating each other but hardly even being friends.

Now this I disagree with. There is at least one decent interaction between Garrus and Tali in ME2 that can easily be interpreted, at least on Garrus' end, as friendly teasing, which is only a couple steps away from flirting. It's when you take them both to the Citadel, and Garrus starts talking about what they talked about in their elevator rides in ME1.

Her reaction implies that she is not amused you are right about that, but what Garrus was doing can be interpreted a few different ways.

I agree with this.  Tali's reaction is easy to see, but Garrus...well, I definitely don't think he's flirting because he sounds flirty in most of his platonic dialogue anyway.  I think he's just trying to annoy her for the lols.

[KingofEverything]

SuranaMage wrote...

KingofEverything wrote...

Saphra Deden wrote...

Not to mention what few interactions we've seen have at most amounted to them tolerating each other but hardly even being friends.

Now this I disagree with. There is at least one decent interaction between Garrus and Tali in ME2 that can easily be interpreted, at least on Garrus' end, as friendly teasing, which is only a couple steps away from flirting. It's when you take them both to the Citadel, and Garrus starts talking about what they talked about in their elevator rides in ME1.

Her reaction implies that she is not amused you are right about that, but what Garrus was doing can be interpreted a few different ways.

I agree with this.  Tali's reaction is easy to see, but Garrus...well, I definitely don't think he's flirting because he sounds flirty in most of his platonic dialogue anyway.  I think he's just trying to annoy her for the lols.

Oh I agree, but it was still done in a friendly manner, in the way that people tend to only do when they are reasonably close. At the very least it proves that Garrus sees her as a good friend by that point.

[Hyrist]

 I did take Garrus and Tali on the elevators quite a few times.

It's fairly well summarized here

But that was not character development, that was character banter. They never changed or anything during that time, and most of the dialouge was missed if you went through the missions in a timely fashion.

Again, the scripts in ME3 are a fair bit more involved and a lot more personal.

Saphra Deden wrote...

Or it just proves that Garrus is one of those ****s who likes to mess with people. I've known plenty of people like that. He's just insecure and needs attention.

 

Annnd this leads me to the conlcusion that you just hate Garrus and will make any statment and excuse to deflect your personal prefrence against the character and any possibility of a romance between he and Tali.

Ok, I'm done.

Modifié par Hyrist, 03 mars 2012 - 09:35 .

[KingofEverything]

The teasing was quite a bit more like that in ME1 on the elevator, but in the scene that I am describing it was far too friendly to be accurately interpreted that way. People do that when they are friends, poke each others buttons, laugh about the past, say things that are purposefully intended to annoy each other but in a way that is more joshing then malicious.

Guys do it a lot more then girls, especially guys who work in a position where they have to trust their co-workers, like policemen. Garrus isn't insecure, he's just has a sharp sense of sarcasm and wit.

[DarthEmpress]

 Well, I made a poll about Garrus/Tali (with a major typo in the third option *cough*) so please vote.  I'm interested in seeing the turn out.

http://social.biowar...59/polls/28956/ 

I personally don't think they're very compatible, but then again lots of couples get together when they don't have much compatibility so I guess it's a moot point 

[XenoAlbedo]

Guess who just managed to get an extra collector's edition set aside for him at Best Buy?

[Ghost Rider LSOV]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Guess who just managed to get an extra collector's edition set aside for him at Best Buy?

You?

Congrats then?

[Nkromelow]

The fool you should have eaten wrote...

Edit: It would seem that I got the top, let me scrounge around for a pic.

Here's a pic for you: