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[Mr. Big Pimpin]

AVPen wrote...

Well, I reached the climax...

"I want more time...." 

Just break my f***ing heart why don't ya, BioWare?
(and that's not evening counting the "Liara flashback" pic and total ending BS we're forced to deal with <_< )

Preaching to the choir here. When I finished the game I felt like Bioware had kicked me in the balls.

But I do have to wonder why everyone is upset about flashback Liara. Shep had a much better friendship (IMO) with Liara than Anderson, yet people aren't complaining about him showing up there.

[MartialArtsMaster]

AVPen wrote...

Well, I reached the climax...

"I want more time...." 

Just break my f***ing heart why don't ya, BioWare?
(and that's not evening counting the "Liara flashback" pic and total ending BS we're forced to deal with <_< )

The "flashback pictures" are supposed to be the people who had the most influence in Shepard's life, not necessarily who he/she felt the most close to. Anderson started him/her on the path to greatness, Joker's the only crew member who is absolutely required to be there all three games (even Chakwas can die at the end of ME2 or be asked to support the war effort in ME3 for example), and Shepard either romanced Ashley/Kaidan/Liara or Liara made it possible for him to understand the Reaper threat through decoding the beacons and Liara was the one who recovered Shepard's body and is the reason Shepard is even still alive at that point.

So to reiterate, the flashbacks are about importance not closeness.

[Draudluin]

So i don't know about anyone else but i really wanted to enjoy the fact that and/or hope while i was playing this game that at the end i would have the beachfront property with Tali but all the endings just crushed my dreams and i sleep for 3 hours after this game because is is so heart wrenching

[Draudluin]

Slept*

[AVPen]

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

The "flashback pictures" are supposed to be the people who had the most influence in Shepard's life, not necessarily who he/she felt the most close to. Anderson started him/her on the path to greatness, Joker's the only crew member who is absolutely required to be there all three games (even Chakwas can die at the end of ME2 or be asked to support the war effort in ME3 for example), and Shepard either romanced Ashley/Kaidan/Liara or Liara made it possible for him to understand the Reaper threat through decoding the beacons and Liara was the one who recovered Shepard's body and is the reason Shepard is even still alive at that point.

So to reiterate, the flashbacks are about importance not closeness.

Sorry friend, but I'm gonna have to call bullsh*t on that assessment.

Regarding Anderson: Yes, I can agree with that. (plus whether it's shown or not in the game, Anderson is suppose to be like a good mentor, even a father-figure to Shepard)

Regarding Joker: You can argue the same thing for Garrus and Tali, since they stood by Shepard of all three games (providing they survived the SM)

Regarding the VS or Liara: This is the part that's frank and utter BS to me, solely because you CAN see the ME1 love interests, but NONE of the ME2 LIs in the flashback. Think about it -  your at your last moments, knowing that you're just about to die... who do you think of in your last second of life?
Some good friend/acquaintance that helped recover your dead, comatose body?
Or the one that you love and cherish the most, the person you have the deepest connection to in life? 

(Also, it was confirmed by the source at the SA forums that the "flashback" problem was a known issue to BioWare, but because they couldn't or didn't want to correct it in time, they decided to ship it out anyway and not deal with it)

Modifié par AVPen, 09 mars 2012 - 05:40 .

[Genun]

Draudluin wrote...

So i don't know about anyone else but i really wanted to enjoy the fact that and/or hope while i was playing this game that at the end i would have the beachfront property with Tali but all the endings just crushed my dreams and i sleep for 3 hours after this game because is is so heart wrenching

Yep, I wanted shepard to have that house with tali. 

[Draudluin]

Genun wrote...

Draudluin wrote...

So i don't know about anyone else but i really wanted to enjoy the fact that and/or hope while i was playing this game that at the end i would have the beachfront property with Tali but all the endings just crushed my dreams and i sleep for 3 hours after this game because is is so heart wrenching

Yep, I wanted shepard to have that house with tali. 

I mean also the photo made me so full of hope because you don't see her face for two long ass games than give you a little tease in me2 because she takes of her mask during the romance scene she even says "We'll put the family room window here." Made me kinda happy that i would have human/quarian babies but after the endings if they don't release an alternate ending DLC where shep lives i swear i'll chuck my collecters edition out the window:crying:

Modifié par Draudluin, 09 mars 2012 - 05:46 .

[MartialArtsMaster]

AVPen wrote...

MartialArtsMaster wrote...

The "flashback pictures" are supposed to be the people who had the most influence in Shepard's life, not necessarily who he/she felt the most close to. Anderson started him/her on the path to greatness, Joker's the only crew member who is absolutely required to be there all three games (even Chakwas can die at the end of ME2 or be asked to support the war effort in ME3 for example), and Shepard either romanced Ashley/Kaidan/Liara or Liara made it possible for him to understand the Reaper threat through decoding the beacons and Liara was the one who recovered Shepard's body and is the reason Shepard is even still alive at that point.

So to reiterate, the flashbacks are about importance not closeness.

Sorry friend, but I'm gonna have to call bullsh*t on that assessment.

Regarding Anderson: Yes, I can agree with that. (plus whether it's shown or not in the game, Anderson is suppose to be like a good mentor, even a father-figure to Shepard)

Regarding Joker: You can argue the same thing for Garrus and Tali, since they stood by Shepard of all three games (providing they survived the SM)

Regarding the VS or Liara: This is the part that's frank and utter BS to me, solely because you CAN see the ME1 love interests, but NONE of the ME2 LIs in the flashback. Think about it -  your at your last moments, knowing that you're just about to die... who do you think of in your last second of life?
Some good friend/acquaintance that helped recover your dead, comatose body?
Or the one that you love and cherish the most, the person you have the deepest connection to in life? 

(Also, it was confirmed by the source at the SA forums that the "flashback" problem was a known issue to BioWare, but because they couldn't or didn't want to correct it in time, they decided to ship it out anyway and not deal with it)

When you responded to my Joker example, you brought up Garrus and Tali. But I brought up Joker as an example of someone who was REQUIRED to be there, no matter WHAT you did in the Suicide Mission. Garrus and Tali can both die at the end of the suicide mission; Joker always survives no matter what you do. And in terms of loyalty, I grant you that Garrus always has your back if he survived the suicide mission, but if Tali did survive the suicide mission, she kills herself if you side with the geth and destroy the quarians. Joker never leaves you no matter WHAT decision you make.

Regarding my VS/Liara example, perhaps I should have clarified that when I used the word "influence", I didn't mean in the sense of admiration. Someone can have influence over your life and be a total stranger, or even be an enemy.

I would say Vyrnus was a huge influence in Kaidan's life, for example, because Vyrnus' jerkass behavior helped Kaidan realize that turians weren't on a pedestal, that turians had jerks among them too. But that doesn't mean Kaidan has to even remotely like Vyrnus, who genuinely has no redeeming qualities and influenced Kaidan's opinions only by the freak accident of being a jerk among a race of disciplined soldiers.

The same is the case with Liara. Shepard may or may not be romantically involved with Liara, but if Liara's the entire reason Shepard is EVEN ALIVE, then Liara's influence in Shepard's life is the ultimate influence: influence over life or death. A person's life can't be shaped, or the person can't shape his/her life, if he/she's dead.

Modifié par MartialArtsMaster, 09 mars 2012 - 06:01 .

[Unschuld]

 

LivingHitokiri wrote...

And you came here to post that because ... ?

 

... I occasionally like to drop in and state my opinions. Haven't done much recently to avoid additional spoilers and because I'm too busy enjoying the game.

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

The amount of whining in these forums is ridiculous...

Have you finished the game yet?

I think we are all bitter and mad at BioWare and just need to whine a little bit.
Concerning Tali's face, why don't we go back to the good old days and talk nice? 

There are plenty of things to get uppity about in this game, and I admit there were several that annoyed me. However, after the first couple hours of what felt like a rushed product, everything started to become awesome again (proprietary EA indoctrination software setting in maybe?) and it started to feel like Mass Effect. But being bitter and mad at Bioware? I'm not, but how is this a change for the rest of the forums. Since day one when I started hearing about ME3, just about this entire forum has been nothing but complaints on how Bioware is doing everything wrong.

It's the one constant I can always expect from BSN, and it's saddening, really. It's one thing to be irritated about shoddy AI, reduced animation quality and fixable bugs. Those are legitimate issues, though whether they're present due to the developer being "lazy" or their financial overlords breathing down their necks is up for debate (don't forget, limitations of aging system hardware on current consoles). It's another thing entirely to complain about how the writers aren't writing the story the way each individual thinks their story should pan out. It is their story, which they bring their artistic talents to writing the way they see it should pan out. For them, they at least try to bring everything to a poingiant, logical conclusion for the series. As much as everyone feels that each playthrough is their story (to an extent, it is), it still falls into the constraints of the writer's vision. No exceptions. Different endings to suit each player are what fanfiction is for.

Regarding Tali, there's just about been an equal amount of opinion flinging from 3 camps: human-like, completely alien, and no reveal. Enough to cause a bit of agonization for the artists, because they want to please as many as possible. In the end though, it's their decision, not the fans. The fans are there for input, not direction. Many on these forums regularly make it obvious that they believe otherwise, and this is false. Bioware is nice enough that they've listened to a huge amount of fan input, the inclusion of Tali as a romance option being one of the biggest examples. After all the input they've listened to and included in the game, people still complain about how things should have gone differently. Were I in their position, I would find this monumentally frustrating, and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Taligate (photoshopped stock image debacle) was an outlet for this. 

Count me in the fourth camp. I'm fine with it. I would have enjoyed more if it were a 3d model etc, but at least it's something. It's still an enjoyable game despite it's flaws, but then again what doesn't have flaws? All things considered, it's still pretty sweet.

Modifié par Unschuld, 09 mars 2012 - 06:24 .

[Demonique]

As far as Tali's face goes, they wasted time and resources to scan Jessica Chobot's likeness into the game yet Tali, an actual important character, only gets a crappy photoshop of a stock photo?

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Draudluin wrote...

So i don't know about anyone else but i really wanted to enjoy the fact that and/or hope while i was playing this game that at the end i would have the beachfront property with Tali but all the endings just crushed my dreams and i sleep for 3 hours after this game because is is so heart wrenching

I think everyone, and I mean EVERYONE (Talimancers) wanted this to be the ending. Period.

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Modifié par FsDxRAGE_v2, 09 mars 2012 - 06:46 .

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Unschuld wrote...

 
Regarding Tali, there's just about been an equal amount of opinion flinging from 3 camps: human-like, completely alien, and no reveal. Enough to cause a bit of agonization for the artists, because they want to please as many as possible. In the end though, it's their decision, not the fans. The fans are there for input, not direction. Many on these forums regularly make it obvious that they believe otherwise, and this is false. Bioware is nice enough that they've listened to a huge amount of fan input, the inclusion of Tali as a romance option being one of the biggest examples. After all the input they've listened to and included in the game, people still complain about how things should have gone differently. Were I in their position, I would find this monumentally frustrating, and I wouldn't be surprised if the whole Taligate (photoshopped stock image debacle) was an outlet for this. 

Count me in the fourth camp. I'm fine with it. I would have enjoyed more if it were a 3d model etc, but at least it's something. It's still an enjoyable game despite it's flaws, but then again what doesn't have flaws? All things considered, it's still pretty sweet.

When I said whining, I was pointing towards the endings.
Tali's romance was awesome.

[DiTHmaphacks]

Demonique wrote...

As far as Tali's face goes, they wasted time and resources to scan Jessica Chobot's likeness into the game yet Tali, an actual important character, only gets a crappy photoshop of a stock photo?

Seriously,the only thing that comes to my mind is that they have in mind a Tali DLC that we will get all our sweets.Its really confusing and i think if we dont get a proper answer soon im gonna hit the twitter spam.

Modifié par DiTHmaphacks, 09 mars 2012 - 07:56 .

[iSpaz]

Does anyone happen to know if Tali has any other conversations with you on the Citadel aside from the "suit rat" one?

Cuz seems like after that convo she kinda disappeared and I can't find her anywhere (or Ashley for that matter). Everyone else had more than 2 so was just wondering if I broke something. ;p

[Urazz]

Someone With Mass wrote...

She said the same thing about the romance in ME2, but she got away with a cough and filled sinuses, so I'm willing to say that the whole "die outside the suit" deal is a bit exaggerated.

Uninjured quarians will probably be fine for a short time outside of their suit before they get too sick and die.  Ones that get injured slightly probably won't have much time and are in a more dire situation but can recover.  Those that get a major injuries will probably die because their body will be too weak.

[Unschuld]

FsDxRAGE_v2 wrote...

When I said whining, I was pointing towards the endings.
Tali's romance was awesome.

Ok. My statements were more or less levelled at the general population, not you. I'll admit, I haven't finished the game yet or even completed the romance, I just (unfortunately) already know what is generally going to happen. Again, I'm fine with it, it's more or less what the writers wanted. 
What I have seen so far, Tali returning to the ship and the mission involving the geth dreadnaught exceeded all my expectations. The initial conversations about the romance arc when she boards and the banter up to the end of that mission were priceless.

Now if there's a "happy ending" DLC (and I don't mean what comes at the end of a good massage) or something that would be pretty awesome, but I'm not holding my breath. The current endings still seem like a decent bit of closure, even if they are generally considered to be depressing. 

[deaths origin]

Unschuld wrote...

The amount of whining in these forums is ridiculous...

get the hell out and stay out

[Nezahoo]

Yep. Its been a day since i finished it, and im still not over the sadness of it, even though my brain tells me to move on.I thought i would be replaying the game alot like i did with mass effect 2. but ive just placed it on the shelf... way to ruin my weekend bioware.

" I want... more time" << Tali's Goodbye. that one touched my hearth...

But im glad that most fans share my thoughts on the the ending.. But I have to remind myself that The endings are Biowares Mass effect.. at the point we start caring about the charathers and our choices , it Becomes "OUR" mass effect.

Thought im sure it will kill off alot of the fan art/works that follows. . I've left the game on the shelf. I'll propperly pick it up again, but its not gonna be anytime soon.
So Thank you bioware, for the most Awesome storieline, toging with all feelings , Caring, laughter, and even a few scares moments. but the closet i can get to discribe my feelings right now , is that i feel like someone i know died.

3 games 5 years .. Its awesome ,its one of the best games ive played . and after all my hard work i wanted to have a happy ending, and i get none.

****ing aside. I wanna thank the talimancers before we all drift apart. You guys have been awesome for the past 2 years, even though im lazy poster

[PseudoEthnic]

Unschuld wrote...

Now if there's a "happy ending" DLC (and I don't mean what comes at the end of a good massage) or something that would be pretty awesome, but I'm not holding my breath. The current endings still seem like a decent bit of closure, even if they are generally considered to be depressing. 

Closure? What closure?! We don't know what happens to Shepard if he survives in the "best" ending. We don't know what happens to the crew after it crashes on Eden. We don't know about the state of the galaxy, or any of the races. Everything is so vague! The only thing we know for certain is that the relays go bye-bye regardless of which ending you picked. If you chose the control ending, Shepard dies and becomes the master reaper, or if you choose the merge ending, Shepard dies, and the galaxy is augmented with synethitic and organic material. Other than that, nothing else is explained.

[Harbinger of Hope]

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Now if there's a "happy ending" DLC (and I don't mean what comes at the end of a good massage) or something that would be pretty awesome, but I'm not holding my breath. The current endings still seem like a decent bit of closure, even if they are generally considered to be depressing. 

Closure? What closure?! We don't know what happens to Shepard if he survives in the "best" ending. We don't know what happens to the crew after it crashes on Eden. We don't know about the state of the galaxy, or any of the races. Everything is so vague! The only thing we know for certain is that the relays go bye-bye regardless of which ending you picked. If you chose the control ending, Shepard dies and becomes the master reaper, or if you choose the merge ending, Shepard dies, and the galaxy is augmented with synethitic and organic material. Other than that, nothing else is explained.

+1. I'd be fine with the endings if they told us what happened, ALA Dragon Age: Origins. I'd be perfectly happy with a slideshow and some text explaining everything. Or better yet, get the Codex Narrarator to narrarate it. And like a said in another thread, all three endings are a death sentance for Tali. Control still strands her on an unknown planet with a broken ship. Without sufficent supplies, one suit rupture could kill her (this is an outdoor foreign planet, not shepards clean cabin). In synthesis, your dooming the entire galaxy to become glorified husks. and in destroy you are oblietering all tech. The quarians live off of tech.

[PseudoEthnic]

The Destroy ending does not destroy all tech. Only the relays, reapers, the geth, and EDI. Everything else works fine.

[FsDxRAGE_v2]

Harbinger of Hope wrote...



+1. I'd be fine with the endings if they told us what happened, ALA Dragon Age: Origins. I'd be perfectly happy with a slideshow and some text explaining everything. Or better yet, get the Codex Narrarator to narrarate it. And like a said in another thread, all three endings are a death sentance for Tali. Control still strands her on an unknown planet with a broken ship. Without sufficent supplies, one suit rupture could kill her (this is an outdoor foreign planet, not shepards clean cabin). In synthesis, your dooming the entire galaxy to become glorified husks. and in destroy you are oblietering all tech. The quarians live off of tech.

We took back her homeworld for no reason at all.

[Demonique]

Urazz wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

She said the same thing about the romance in ME2, but she got away with a cough and filled sinuses, so I'm willing to say that the whole "die outside the suit" deal is a bit exaggerated.

Uninjured quarians will probably be fine for a short time outside of their suit before they get too sick and die.  Ones that get injured slightly probably won't have much time and are in a more dire situation but can recover.  Those that get a major injuries will probably die because their body will be too weak.

During the Quarian crash site mission didn't one of the logs say that the Quarians were considering removing their suits?

[Shatterhand1701]

I guess I'm the only one that doesn't mind the image they used for Tali. Yeah, they could've done a lot better job of modifying the picture (the hands are the worst offense), but overall, I'm fine with it. Besides, seems a bit goofy to complain about using a stock photo as the springboard for Tali's face when ManShep was based on a Dutch supermodel. Just my opinion, anyway.