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[laststarfighter]

I have not really followed this thread, because it's so huge!!! But I love Tali, and the Quarian/Geth story. Tali is my LI in ME2/3. I'm extremely disappointed in how they showed her face and the like. What really got me is a conversation between Javik and Sheppard where he states something like, "Even in my time the primitive Quarians were considers quite beautiful.

[NR-Wesker]

The hero sacrificing everything to save everyone makes a good/fitting ending, but not for everyone. Some people like having that option to survive and live happily with the one you love and we didn't get that in this game. Shepard either dies or lives to still be parted from his LI.

[kyles3]

NR-Wesker wrote...

The hero sacrificing everything to save everyone makes a good/fitting ending, but not for everyone. Some people like having that option to survive and live happily with the one you love and we didn't get that in this game. Shepard either dies or lives to still be parted from his LI.

Part of me really wants that happy ending, too. But I got it in ME2 and it didn't affect me nearly as much as ME3's did. As sad as I am, it feels more real to me that Shepard had to pay a price to do the impossible. I'm not saying an ending has to be sad to be realistic, just that I think the writers got that aspect of the ending right.

Modifié par kyles3, 12 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I do agree on wanting the happy ending, but wanting something and actually having it are two different things. I know I want it, but I know it wouldn't be the best if it happened.

I do fully expect people to not be happy but this, but I think it makes ME3 and the series as a whole just damned amazing.

[Yuvero]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I do agree on wanting the happy ending, but wanting something and actually having it are two different things. I know I want it, but I know it wouldn't be the best if it happened.

I do fully expect people to not be happy but this, but I think it makes ME3 and the series as a whole just damned amazing.

Then they should created differents endings, one for those who think that Shepard sacrifice for everyone is good enough and another for those who wants to see him living a peaceful live with his love, so every player will be pleased

[Costin_Razvan]

Then they should created differents endings, one for those who think that Shepard sacrifice for everyone is good enough and another for those who wants to see him living a peaceful live with his love, so every player will be pleased

That's frankly BS. If Shepard can live then why the hell would you care to sacrifice yourself if the Relays are fine? Why because the Reapers can some advancements to the Galaxy? Screw that.

No. I prefer it like this. the ending was quite sad but it's good, really good.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 05:52 .

[WizenSlinky0]

You can have a sad ending where you live and still have your LI without too much trouble. It's all about what you have to sacrifice in order to keep the things important to you.

All of earth? Swaths of the galaxy? Punish the player for being selfish but still allow them to be so if they want to be.

[NR-Wesker]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Then they should created differents endings, one for those who think that Shepard sacrifice for everyone is good enough and another for those who wants to see him living a peaceful live with his love, so every player will be pleased

That's frankly BS. If Shepard can live then why the hell would you care to sacrifice yourself if the Relays are fine? Why because the Reapers can some advancements to the Galaxy? Screw that.

No. I prefer it like this. the ending was quite sad but it's good, really good.

Catering to the desires of all their fans isn't BS. Not everyone prefers the ending you do. Some people obviously prefer self-sacrifice while some appreciate the possibility of a happy ending. Shepard lives anyway if you choose the destroy option and have the proper assets/readiness.

Modifié par NR-Wesker, 12 mars 2012 - 06:03 .

[Costin_Razvan]

I am OK with an ending where Shepard destroys the Relays and you all get stuck on Earth, but catering to the desires of all is the highest piece of crap anyone can do, and this has been proven time and time again.

We are not entitled to a story ending the way we want it, and crying like damned babies ( not saying you are but let's face it, people are doing it on BSN ) is really not the way to go.

Certainly there are things in ME3 that ****** me off, but I do not think I am entitled to having Bioware change it just because I feel a certain way about something. The moment you limit creative vision is the moment you get crappy stuff.

Not saying Bioware shouldn't listen to fans, they should, but they should make their own decisions and be free to do so without a massive backlash against them.

On another note: The most amazing thing in ME3 is the fact that you can't achieve peace without Tali and Legion both alive and that you can't get a romance with Tali if you didn't romance her in ME2. That's really good.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[NR-Wesker]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I am OK with an ending where Shepard destroys the Relays and you all get stuck on Earth, but catering to the desires of all is the highest piece of crap anyone can do, and this has been proven time and time again.

We are not entitled to a story ending the way we want it, and crying like damned babies ( not saying you are but let's face it, people are doing it on BSN ) is really not the way to go.

Agree to disagree then, but I see no reason why fans can't have a possible happy ending if it is what they desire nor why others think they shouldn't have it especially since this is the last game in Shepard's story. Its not as though it would be forced upon those who don't want it. Isn't that the point of having choices which is what they games are focused on? I'm not gonna lose sleep over this but I can see why many fans are disappointed with these endings since most of them had a grim outcome and it would be just the same for those who wanted Shepard to die and instead had a postive ending forced on them with no other option.

Modifié par NR-Wesker, 12 mars 2012 - 06:25 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Here's a reason for why a happy ending sucks: The war is meaningless if everyone ( including Shepard ) survives and the Galaxy just rebuilds like the Reapers were never there. It makes the sacrifices and the other choices meaningless.

And this why I so damned strongly oppose it.  You don't take control of the Reapers just to use them, you take control to preserve the Relays and not end galactic society. The main reason why I took that ending was I thought I could use them to Rebuild the Relay Network...that is until I realized from the cinematic the Relay's aren't blown up.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 06:34 .

[bigCman123]

Funny how this became an ending discussion. My main problem with the ending is lack of closure. I mean come on. Shepard gets rid of the reapers all the Mass Effect Relays are destroyed and suddenly you beloved crew is randomly stranded on some random planet? WTF? The whole galaxy is now in disarray, and I personally would like to know what happens next.

If this is the end of the trilogy, I would have like more explanations.I wasn't expecting the ending of Mass Effect 3 to present more questions than answers. For me the last 5-10 minutes were a disappointment, I was simply not impressed.

That said, the rest of the game was fantastic. My only other complaints are that we don't see Tali's face for real in game, only an image, and the "love scene" is shorter than the one in ME2 and is totally pathetic compared to Liara's full on love scene (watched on youtube). We know what she looks like, it's not a secret anymore.

[Flammenpanzer]

Yuvero wrote...

Haventh wrote...

What happens to Tali if you bring her along as squadmate to fight towards the transporter beam?

I used her and Garrus as squadmates in my last mission, after the beam I saw garrus bleeding on the floor and the first thing I though was "where is Tali !!" I couldn't find her, the husks were coming and I was looking for her lol, but she wasn't there. Anyway I guess Garrus gets killed cause I didn't have enough war assets.

Wait...what? I never saw any of my squad mates on the ground.

[NR-Wesker]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Here's a reason for why a happy ending sucks: The war is meaningless if everyone ( including Shepard ) survives and the Galaxy just rebuilds like the Reapers were never there. It makes the sacrifices and the other choices meaningless.

And this why I so damned strongly oppose it.

Its a game, a role-playing one at that. It doesn't have to follow a strict code in which everything has to end the same. Whether Shepard lives or dies doesn't change the fact the galaxy is forever changed by the choices you made prior (millions dead, relays destroyd, alliances forged, peace established) and that you ulitmately succeeded where the Protheans failed in destroying the Reapers or neutrailizing them as a threat. Shepard suviving (which he already did anyway) doesn't change any of it.

For the sake of staying OT, let's leave it at that.

Modifié par NR-Wesker, 12 mars 2012 - 06:42 .

[AVPen]

The final goodbye scene between Shepard and Tali.... damn, I still get so f***ing choked up watching this. 

[Costin_Razvan]

I've stated before and I will state again. The Relays are not destroyed in Control, at least that's how I view it based on the cinematic. Watch that on youtube and draw your own conclusions. Feel free to disagree, but explain the fate of the Citadel while you are it. That is the lack of the Citadel's destruction in Control and only in Control.

That's the entire basis of my argument for why I like the Control ending and why I feel Shepard shouldn't just walk with Tali and live happy with her if he was an idealist who just fired some bullets at a conduit. My Shepard cared a lot about her and in the end he choose to sacrifice himself to preserve the Relays and thus the Galactic Civilization...for her...and well everyone else.

Since I do care about Tali, why the hell would I preserve the Reapers if they relays wouldn't get destroyed? What damned reason could I have? To progress humanity as TIM wanted? Sure there is a lot to learn from them, but you can also learn that from their corpses.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 06:44 .

[Flammenpanzer]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

I've stated before and I will state again. The Relays are not destroyed in Control, at least that's how I view it based on the cinematic. Watch that on youtube and draw your own conclusions. Feel free to disagree, but explain the fate of the Citadel while you are it. That is the lack of the Citadel's destruction in Control and only in Control.

That's the entire basis of my argument for why I like the Control ending and why I feel Shepard shouldn't just walk with Tali and live happy with her if he was an idealist who just fired some bullets at a conduit. My Shepard cared a lot about her and in the end he choose to sacrifice himself to preserve the Relays and thus the Galactic Civilization...for her...and well everyone else.

After that beam fires, the relay breaks up.

[Costin_Razvan]

What beam did you see in Control? There is no beam since the Crucible does not fire. It emmits a wave, but that happens in all endings, that takes over the Reapers.

In Destroy/Synthesis the Crucible fires a beam, the Citadel blows up and Charon gets blown up. In Control we see the Citadel not firing any beam, not being destroyed and Charon getting damaged but not destroyed.

Watch it on youtube.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 06:47 .

[DragonRageGT]

bigCman123 wrote...

Funny how this became an ending discussion. My main problem with the ending is lack of closure. I mean come on. Shepard gets rid of the reapers all the Mass Effect Relays are destroyed and suddenly you beloved crew is randomly stranded on some random planet? WTF? The whole galaxy is now in disarray, and I personally would like to know what happens next.

If this is the end of the trilogy, I would have like more explanations.I wasn't expecting the ending of Mass Effect 3 to present more questions than answers. For me the last 5-10 minutes were a disappointment, I was simply not impressed.

That said, the rest of the game was fantastic. ...

This. Exactly.  And I am more upset due to the end of an epic series than with any ending that the game endinng the series has. I want ME4. I want my Shepard rebuilding the relays across the galaxy and searching for his crew. We don't need a "save the world" plot to make an epic game. (TW2)

Although the endings of ME3 are bad enough because of unless you love that "Lost" feeling, there is a big gap in rational and creative thinking there. And that is the only reason the game is a 9.5/10 for me. The rest of it is brilliant. I don't even care about the endings. They fit. But there should have been a huge cinematics explaining it. It feels rushed to the extreme.

Modifié par DragonRageGT, 12 mars 2012 - 06:55 .

[Nosforit]

AVPen wrote...

The final goodbye scene between Shepard and Tali.... damn, I still get so f***ing choked up watching this. 

Honestly I was left a little bit wanting from this scene after seeing Liara's and ESPECIALLY Garrus'. The way Jen Hale delivered her final line to Garrus is incredible, and there just wasn't one of those lines in this scene with Tali. Just my opinion though, no need to go spreadin' it around.™

[-N7-Seeker]

I wonder how BioWare does this, no game could achive that in history. We actually CARE about the characters. They gave souls, personalities and relationships to them. I find this amazing. We all care about out characters, that we want to see a perfect ending. They are unique creators of games, I want that better ending.

[Yuvero]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

Here's a reason for why a happy ending sucks: The war is meaningless if everyone ( including Shepard ) survives and the Galaxy just rebuilds like the Reapers were never there. It makes the sacrifices and the other choices meaningless.

And this why I so damned strongly oppose it.  You don't take control of the Reapers just to use them, you take control to preserve the Relays and not end galactic society. The main reason why I took that ending was I thought I could use them to Rebuild the Relay Network...that is until I realized from the cinematic the Relay's aren't blown up.

A happy ending no need to suck really, there is always a chance to create the next chapter, even if everything is rebuilt, if every squadmate survive (depends which option you choose at the end, cause not all survived) Krogans have no desease no more, they have conflicts with salarians and why not with turians, they were talking about revenge (males) so is a neverending story. At this point a different ending with shepard rejoining what left of his crew won't suck if more conflicts can come. 
Is true that maybe all this things that we are talking about is gonna stay here and never will reach Bioware eyes, but every one of us deserve to feel confortable with what we bought.

The entire game is awesome, it have amazing dialogs, graphics, history but let be honest, more than the 50 % of us was expecting another ending.

[Costin_Razvan]

At this point a different ending with shepard rejoining what left of his crew won't suck if more conflicts can come.

Shepard's story is over. It's not bad to want more, but as I said a point comes when you need to end it. Certainly I would like another ME game with no Reapers in it, but I don't want Shepard in the game either, nor any of the squad mates or characters. Their roles have been fufiffled. It's hard to accept that, I know, but ME3 is their end, as it should be, and that's why a happy ending would suck.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Flammenpanzer]

Costin_Razvan wrote...

What beam did you see in Control? There is no beam since the Crucible does not fire. It emmits a wave, but that happens in all endings, that takes over the Reapers.

In Destroy/Synthesis the Crucible fires a beam, the Citadel blows up and Charon gets blown up. In Control we see the Citadel not firing any beam, not being destroyed and Charon getting damaged but not destroyed.

Watch it on youtube.

I just assumed that that shockwave destroyed it like the other endings. I saw debris flying...but I guess it is not absolute...they need to be more clear on their endings XD...I suppose...hopefully...that it is just damaged.

Modifié par Flammenpanzer, 12 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Costin_Razvan]

Certainly it's not crystal clear, but they didn't choose those cinematics for no reason. They didn't make a scene where the Citadel closes up for no reason. They didn't make a scene where Charon is shown blown up and then remove it JUST for Control when it was just a matter of switching a color.

Now obviously you can say I am clinging on to hope, but I believe my logic is sound when I say it might not have been destroyed just damaged. We will see anyway.

Mac Walters is a devious SOB.

Modifié par Costin_Razvan, 12 mars 2012 - 07:25 .