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[Naltair]

Bloodleash wrote...

Well in comparison to Liara's final romance, Tali's 30 second dialogue is very disappointing. Liara romancers have like 3-4 times as much content? Pfft, just no beating the Asari I suppose.

This has no bearing on anything,  if you like Liara go Liara if you like Tali go Tali, the time difference should not matter and if it does... well stop being petty.

Modifié par Naltair, 14 mars 2012 - 02:15 .

[Neizd]

I don't know about the information since anybody could think about those DLC, and the person is anonymous so we don't have any reason to believe or not believe it.
About Tali face. It doesn't suprise me that they made it really human looking because we could not find it beautifull...still it could be made after THIS fanart.
For me it is the best look that is betwen human and alien.

[Naltair]

Tali's face will never please everyone, the end.

[Neizd]

True but there is difference betwen pleasing everyone and doing lazy job with photoshoped image from net. What I mean BW team spend a lot of time developing EDI new "sexy" body and James Vega. Even Ashley and Kaidan got new looks. Udina and Baley too...It's just sad that they only made one badly photoshoped image for Tali who is one of most popular characters. In fact I still hope that Tali was trolling Joker with her "photo" because he would keep asking my Shepard how does she look like.

[mpgeist]

It won't please everyone, but I think most Talimancers would have appreciated the effort at least.

[Naltair]

I liked the photo, it does exactly what it was meant to do. Reveal what her face looks like.

[spirosz]

To me, it's not the idea of having a photo of some sort, it's the fact that it seems lazy on Bioware's part. I liked that they even showed Tali's face, but to me, it could of been more creative.

[Neizd]

Well it is not bad looking, and I suppose it does reveal her face. But don't you think that if it was just simply re-modeled human, they could at least show it on 3D model? Besides sometimes I really think that BW doesn't like quarians...
- Weak Immunity that can kill
- Every other species doesn't like them
- Tali wasn't LI in ME1 because of "chicken legs"
- Don't have homeworld
- Trapped inside the suit
- Tali romance scenes are VERY SHORT compared to other LI

and now we have photo that took no effort to make. Every one of us could do it with YT tutorial and 1 hour of work. It's not something to be happy about. Quarians really seem to attract all of the bad luck in the series...

[Astreus]

Neizd wrote...

Well it is not bad looking, and I suppose it does reveal her face. But don't you think that if it was just simply re-modeled human, they could at least show it on 3D model? Besides sometimes I really think that BW doesn't like quarians...
- Weak Immunity that can kill
- Every other species doesn't like them
- Tali wasn't LI in ME1 because of "chicken legs"
- Don't have homeworld
- Trapped inside the suit
- Tali romance scenes are VERY SHORT compared to other LI

and now we have photo that took no effort to make. Every one of us could do it with YT tutorial and 1 hour of work. It's not something to be happy about. Quarians really seem to attract all of the bad luck in the series...

This.

We only want see her face in real time, in conversation or cut-scene. No photo! <_<

[XenoAlbedo]

Well, Quarians seemed to have gotten lucky in ME3. If you make peace that is. Still, it seems sort of like Bioware hates them, which makes no sense because they thought them up. Honestly, I don't care about this except for their lazy face and two passed up opportunities when she takes her mask off.

[Cheese of Borg]

mauro2222 wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I don't think so, fans probably would have complained if Tali started striping her suit off with the commander's help. 

Why? LOL!

It wouldn't fit the flavor of the rest of the romance. Granted they should haveshown her face though, I thought the scene was perfect.

[Ampmaster]

jarms48 wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

One more

What does it say in the middle?

it starts off with "It started off as an analysis of Tali's sweat..." and only gets worse from there

[Cheese of Borg]

The romance scene with tali was great, regardless of how long it is. But they should have shown her face, i agree on that "end".

[WizenSlinky0]

Cheese of Borg wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I don't think so, fans probably would have complained if Tali started striping her suit off with the commander's help. 

Why? LOL!

It wouldn't fit the flavor of the rest of the romance. Granted they should haveshown her face though, I thought the scene was perfect.

I wouldn't have complained but I did find the romance extremely satisfying. Though I found Shepard really dodged the issue of love  Really would have been some nice times for that thing they used to give us. What was it called? Oh yes, choices.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Oh yes, choices.

We have dismissed that claim.

[XenoAlbedo]

Ah yes, "choices." The immortal concept of selecting your path that is supposed be in Mass Effect 3.
We have dismissed that claim.

[Yuvero]

choices.....sounds familiar

[Unschuld]

Ah yes, patience... We have dismissed that claim too.

Modifié par Unschuld, 14 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Unschuld wrote...

Ah yes, patience... We have dismissed that claim too.

Hey, I'm just saying. That would have been a good time for a dialogue wheel. Paragon romance - "I love you too, Renegade romance - "Keelah Se'lai".

If I know anything about relationships its that if one person in the relationship can't use the word while the other is using it then you're going to hit a pretty big bump in the road very quickly.

Although I liked Shepard using the phrase...using it then seemed out of place.

*shrug* I was mostly kidding. Though I do feel way too much of the game was autodialogue. I really missed my dialogue wheel especially in a few areas where I didn't want to seem interested in what people were saying but didn't want to be a ****** about it.

But that's another debate. I'm rambling.

[Ruby Python]

Ah yes, Tali being awesome..... We have dismissed that- wait a minute, oh right that one was actually proven!!

[Unschuld]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Ah yes, patience... We have dismissed that claim too.

Hey, I'm just saying. That would have been a good time for a dialogue wheel. Paragon romance - "I love you too, Renegade romance - "Keelah Se'lai".

If I know anything about relationships its that if one person in the relationship can't use the word while the other is using it then you're going to hit a pretty big bump in the road very quickly.

Although I liked Shepard using the phrase...using it then seemed out of place.

*shrug* I was mostly kidding. Though I do feel way too much of the game was autodialogue. I really missed my dialogue wheel especially in a few areas where I didn't want to seem interested in what people were saying but didn't want to be a ****** about it.

But that's another debate. I'm rambling.

That wasn't directed at you, specifically, but the entire current disgruntled fan situation. Count me among the crowd that thinks everyone throwing a fit about the endings is acting prematurely and has an overly large sense of entitlement.

I'm not usually the "conspiracy theory" type, in fact I believe most of those people are bonkers out of their friggin' minds. They try to dissect historical facts and see things that often aren't there in order to prove a predefined theory (far removed from scientific method). However, Mass Effect is not simply a group of facts set in stone, it is a creation, it is a work of ART. Art is more often than not created through symbolism and methaphor in order to have a greater impact. Apparently a lot of ME fans haven't noticed it, but there's a hell of a lot of symbolism built into the story and visuals, and the hints are all over the place (especially if you get the "perfect" ending, which is a literal equivalent of a ton of bricks being dropped on the player). Big goddamn hint. If Bioware is up to what I think they're doing, it's brilliant. I don't even care if I end up having to pay extra for it. It would be that worth it. To use the parlance of our times, one massive mindf##k.

Now, in regards to Shep avoiding the issue with Tali, I wouldn't say that. Yes, he doesn't say "I love you too," in a literal sense but that phrase is overused anyway. What he does state "By the homeworld we wish to see again," (approximate translation) is more symbolic. It shows that not only is he accepting Tali's culture into his own, but also Earth/Rannoch as a shared or mutual home for him and Tali. Or even just their being together as a "home". If you look at Shep/Tali's situations in regards to the romance plot, it's even more poetic. Both Shepard and Tali have homeworlds that they have to take back for their species, and both of them have stood up for each other when the rest of their species wouldn't (or were against them).That's how I see it anyway. 

Modifié par Unschuld, 14 mars 2012 - 04:50 .

[Cheese of Borg]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

mauro2222 wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I don't think so, fans probably would have complained if Tali started striping her suit off with the commander's help. 

Why? LOL!

It wouldn't fit the flavor of the rest of the romance. Granted they should haveshown her face though, I thought the scene was perfect.

I wouldn't have complained but I did find the romance extremely satisfying. Though I found Shepard really dodged the issue of love  Really would have been some nice times for that thing they used to give us. What was it called? Oh yes, choices.

Dodged? They had sex in the second game, and quite posiblely twice in the third game.  To me, that's not dodgeing that isue.

[Ampmaster]

Unschuld has it

Knowing what Keelah Se'lai means, and how it could be used in that context I thought that was beautifully done. That would be the paragon option. The renegade option would be a Han Solo style "I know" lol.

I don't want to get into the whole ending thing, though I rank amongst those who feel I got kinda screwed out of a decent ending to a game series I've spent several hundred dollars and uncountable amounts of time on. That said I also think there's something more going on there... and well if Bioware is about to follow up with a second beat of some sort, pay for it or not it will be awesome. They'll still be kinda dicks, but it will be awesome.

Also Cheese of Borg you need to get Liara into that sig too, it's made of win lol

Modifié par Ampmaster, 14 mars 2012 - 04:54 .

[Ianamus]

Unschuld wrote.

That wasn't directed at you, specifically, but the entire current disgruntled fan situation. Count me among the crowd that thinks everyone throwing a fit about the endings is acting prematurely and has an overly large sense of entitlement.

I'm not usually the "conspiracy theory" type, in fact I believe most of those people are bonkers out of their friggin' minds. They try to dissect historical facts and see things that often aren't there in order to prove a predefined theory (far removed from scientific method). However, Mass Effect is not simply a group of facts set in stone, it is a creation, it is a work of ART. Art is more often than not created through symbolism and methaphor in order to have a greater impact. Apparently a lot of ME fans haven't noticed it, but there's a hell of a lot of symbolism built into the story and visuals, and the hints are all over the place (especially if you get the "perfect" ending, which is a literal equivalent of a ton of bricks being dropped on the player). Big goddamn hint. If Bioware is up to what I think they're doing, it's brilliant. I don't even care if I end up having to pay extra for it. It would be that worth it. To use the parlance of our times, one massive mindf##k.

Now, in regards to Shep avoiding the issue with Tali, I wouldn't say that. Yes, he doesn't say "I love you too," in a literal sense but that phrase is overused anyway. What he does state "By the homeworld we wish to see again," (approximate translation) is more symbolic. It shows that not only is he accepting Tali's culture into his own, but also Earth/Rannoch as a shared or mutual home for him and Tali. Or even just their being together as a "home". If you look at Shep/Tali's situations in regards to the romance plot, it's even more poetic. Both Shepard and Tali have homeworlds that they have to take back for their species, and both of them have stood up for each other when the rest of their species wouldn't (or were against them).That's how I see it anyway. 

How is complaining about the endings after a game has been released "premature"?

I liked Tali's scene personally, although I agree that "I love you" may have been more fitting. "By the homeworld I hope to see one day" does have a lot of meaning at that moment though, since they are on Humanity's homeworld and it is destoryed. I think its the equivalent of "I love you".

Modifié par EJ107, 14 mars 2012 - 04:57 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Unschuld wrote...

That wasn't directed at you, specifically, but the entire current disgruntled fan situation. Count me among the crowd that thinks everyone throwing a fit about the endings is acting prematurely and has an overly large sense of entitlement.

I'm not usually the "conspiracy theory" type, in fact I believe most of those people are bonkers out of their friggin' minds. They try to dissect historical facts and see things that often aren't there in order to prove a predefined theory (far removed from scientific method). However, Mass Effect is not simply a group of facts set in stone, it is a creation, it is a work of ART. Art is more often than not created through symbolism and methaphor in order to have a greater impact. Apparently a lot of ME fans haven't noticed it, but there's a hell of a lot of symbolism built into the story and visuals, and the hints are all over the place (especially if you get the "perfect" ending, which is a literal equivalent of a ton of bricks being dropped on the player). Big goddamn hint. If Bioware is up to what I think they're doing, it's brilliant. I don't even care if I end up having to pay extra for it. It would be that worth it.

Now, in regards to Shep avoiding the issue with Tali, I wouldn't say that. Yes, he doesn't say "I love you too," in a literal sense but that phrase is overused anyway. What he does state "By the homeworld we wish to see again," (approximate translation) is more symbolic. It shows that not only is he accepting Tali's culture into his own, but also Earth/Rannoch as a shared or mutual home for him and Tali. Or even just their being together as a "home". If you look at Shep/Tali's situations in regards to the romance plot, it's even more poetic. Both Shepard and Tali have homeworlds that they have to take back for their species, and both of them have stood up for each other when the rest of their species wouldn't (or were against them).That's how I see it anyway. 

Meh. I still don't agree with throwing around the word entitlement. It seems like bad consumerism to just sit back and take what you're given when you invest time and money into a product. I think there's a distinct difference between rational discussion and outright overreaction and flaming though. Rational discussion is healthy and can help improve upon something or clarify things.

I would pay for anything additional onto what we've been given but I wouldn't call it brilliant. Alas, I can't help but feel for the people who don't have their consoles connected onto the internet and won't be able to experience it unless retailers get a disc...which is unlikely for anything except a total expansion.

I count myself as dissastisfied but rational. We'll see how things play out.

Back on topic, I understand the power behind it. And it would probably be moot on my part if he had other moments. But really, I've noticed Shepard seems to go out of his way to remain vague and disjointed in the way he approaches Tali...which is very much giving the impression one of them is a lot more invested than the other. The problem with this is that it's fine if players can go that route...but we really don't have much of a choice in the matter. I'm currently analyzing the situation as Shepard trying not to get too attached with the world potentially about the burn to the ground. Which is why I say I was extremely satisfied with the way the romance went. But you have to admit he definitely feels detached.

Cheese of Borg wrote...

Dodged? They had sex in the second game, and quite posiblely twice in the third game.  To me, that's not dodgeing that isue.[smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

Sex does not equal love  Even if you love having sex with them.

Ampmaster wrote...



Unschuld has it



Knowing what
Keelah Se'lai means, and how it could be used in that context I thought
that was beautifully done. That would be the paragon option. The
renegade option would be a Han Solo style "I know" lol.

Well like I said, if it wasn't for the detached feeling I get from Shepard over the course of several points in the romance I'd have gone with that conclusion as well. It didn't escape me. Just combined with everything else seemed like a rather purposeful detachment. Just what i got out of it, but like I said, was still mostly beautiful and touching. I was satisfied.

Modifié par WizenSlinky0, 14 mars 2012 - 05:02 .