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[Complistic]

Runescapeguy9 wrote...

Complistic wrote...

Nobody cared when I came back.

You're a dick.

You won't find an arguement here. 

[Fenrisfil]

I've said it before. I liked what was there, but wanted more.

I can understand people feeling a bit jealous of Liara, but then her character is written to be both very emotional and very expressive while maintaining the level of maturity you'd expect from an Asari scientist. Her whole race is pretty much like that and she's like a super Asari in that regard. They are also very sexually expressive, while Quarians spend almost their whole lives in a suit, in a space ship, surrounded by their own people, who are also in suits.

So really it's not a surprise that the romances are dealt with in different ways. Some people have felt Liara was forced down their throat, but I don't think that was quite the case. More that she is just much more up front with emotional things then pretty much anyone else you can romance. While her race are stereotyped as galactic ****s for a reason (not necessarily a fair one).

Tali on the other hand is much more like a human really and is a much more complex character. With her, it's always felt to me like you had to get to know her, and over time you find out just how special she is. But it's not all right up in your face all the time and really if it was, it wouldn't really be the Tali we love.

(hopefully the thread hasn't moved on too far again for this to seem relevant anymore)
(UPDATE: Yeah it did. I really should have bothered to quote someone for context. *shrug*)

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 18 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[EmperorZorn]

Whoa.
That'll take a while for my emergency induction port to process.

Modifié par EmperorZorn, 18 mars 2012 - 12:53 .

[Cro730]

Chiktikka is in the picture too
Tali is main point of interest of course...

[darthrevaninlight]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Lemonite wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Lemonite wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

Cryorex wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

And I still want to Kill LIARA:sick:!

It's just really annoying that they treated Tali and Garrus as secondary romances. As thought they are not as important as Ashley/Kaiden and Liara.

But LIARA:sick: MUST STILL DIE!!

Dude, holy cow. Calm down. Hahaha.

SHE IS THE REASON WHY TALI DID NOT HAVE A NUDE CLIP!

Ummm.... No.

Yes because LIARA:sick: is Bioware's pet.

This is very true. Liara is the only UNKILLABLE character. Such a rip-off. SHE WAS THE ONE PERSON I WANTED TO KILL THE MOST >:0

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

This is very true. Liara is the only UNKILLABLE character. Such a rip-off. SHE WAS THE ONE PERSON I WANTED TO KILL THE MOST >:0

You can't kill James Vega either.

[Olueq]

Technically Liara can die in ME3 if you dont have enough war assets and shes in your squad at the end before you meet harbinger.

[EmperorZorn]

Cro730 wrote...

Chiktikka is in the picture too
Tali is main point of interest of course...

I like the epic pose Tali assumes with her omni-tool.
It looks like she just punched someone into the stratosphere !

[lomifeh]

Fenrisfil wrote...

I've said it before. I liked what was there, but wanted more.

I can understand people feeling a bit jealous of Liara, but then her character is written to be both very emotional and very expressive while maintaining the level of maturity you'd expect from an Asari scientist. Her whole race is pretty much like that and she's like a super Asari in that regard. They are also very sexually expressive, while Quarians spend almost their whole lives in a suit, in a space ship, surrounded by their own people, who are also in suits.

So really it's not a surprise that the romances are dealt with in different ways. Some people have felt Liara was forced down their throat, but I don't think that was quite the case. More that she is just much more up front with emotional things then pretty much anyone else you can romance. While her race are stereotyped as galactic ****s for a reason (not necessarily a fair one).

Tali on the other hand is much more like a human really and is a much more complex character. With her, it's always felt to me like you had to get to know her, and over time you find out just how special she is. But it's not all right up in your face all the time and really if it was, it wouldn't really be the Tali we love.

(hopefully the thread hasn't moved on too far again for this to seem relevant anymore)
(UPDATE: Yeah it did. I really should have bothered to quote someone for context. *shrug*)

Very well said and I agree.  Tali is definitely more complex imho.  Liara did grow quite a bit over time but Tali had a bigger arc from just entering her adulthood, to becoming a woman, and finally to becoming a leader of her people.   And then she basically says she could not do it without you.  

[darthrevaninlight]

Ampmaster wrote...

I very much enjoyed the relationship with Ms. vas Normandy with out the inclusion of any skin. The intimacy was in the tone and words and the arc itself was great. That said... it could have used a longer premission sack time sequence. An actual conversation, that type of thing shouldn't be too much to ask me thinks.

Anyway I'm on my way to my St Patrick's day party with my kilt and emergency induction port. I'll see you all later this evening or tomorrow.

Yes, but... I really can see so many parts where more dialogue and insight into tali and sheps relationship would have been possible.... they kinda stuck tali to the sidelines in this one..... less so than the other characters of ME2, but definitely more than I would have liked.
But what they do have.... gets me every time.... Tali +___+ I would do anything for......

[darthrevaninlight]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

darthrevaninlight wrote...

This is very true. Liara is the only UNKILLABLE character. Such a rip-off. SHE WAS THE ONE PERSON I WANTED TO KILL THE MOST >:0

You can't kill James Vega either.

But he doesnt really count... He's just there for the newbs. Actually I have no idea why he is there. For Jersey Shore?

[EmperorZorn]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...
You can't kill James Vega either.

You don't have to.
He'll die of anabolic steroids sooner or later.

[Himmelstor]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

This is very true. Liara is the only UNKILLABLE character. Such a rip-off. SHE WAS THE ONE PERSON I WANTED TO KILL THE MOST >:0

...that's nice. Never hated Dr. T'Soni. Will never. Real enemy is fact that no one got happy ending.
Liara romancers lament not making blue babies just as we lament not building Tali'Zorah vas Rannoch her home.

[darthrevaninlight]

lomifeh wrote...

Fenrisfil wrote...

I've said it before. I liked what was there, but wanted more.

I can understand people feeling a bit jealous of Liara, but then her character is written to be both very emotional and very expressive while maintaining the level of maturity you'd expect from an Asari scientist. Her whole race is pretty much like that and she's like a super Asari in that regard. They are also very sexually expressive, while Quarians spend almost their whole lives in a suit, in a space ship, surrounded by their own people, who are also in suits.

So really it's not a surprise that the romances are dealt with in different ways. Some people have felt Liara was forced down their throat, but I don't think that was quite the case. More that she is just much more up front with emotional things then pretty much anyone else you can romance. While her race are stereotyped as galactic ****s for a reason (not necessarily a fair one).

Tali on the other hand is much more like a human really and is a much more complex character. With her, it's always felt to me like you had to get to know her, and over time you find out just how special she is. But it's not all right up in your face all the time and really if it was, it wouldn't really be the Tali we love.

(hopefully the thread hasn't moved on too far again for this to seem relevant anymore)
(UPDATE: Yeah it did. I really should have bothered to quote someone for context. *shrug*)

Very well said and I agree.  Tali is definitely more complex imho.  Liara did grow quite a bit over time but Tali had a bigger arc from just entering her adulthood, to becoming a woman, and finally to becoming a leader of her people.   And then she basically says she could not do it without you.  

Yeah there is just so much more to work with, and so much more that does not feel forced. It's kind of disappointing Bioware didnt realize it to its full potential, but I guess I'll just live with the side dish they gave us...

[Himmelstor]

darthrevaninlight wrote...

Ampmaster wrote...

I very much enjoyed the relationship with Ms. vas Normandy with out the inclusion of any skin. The intimacy was in the tone and words and the arc itself was great. That said... it could have used a longer premission sack time sequence. An actual conversation, that type of thing shouldn't be too much to ask me thinks.

Anyway I'm on my way to my St Patrick's day party with my kilt and emergency induction port. I'll see you all later this evening or tomorrow.

Yes, but... I really can see so many parts where more dialogue and insight into tali and sheps relationship would have been possible.... they kinda stuck tali to the sidelines in this one..... less so than the other characters of ME2, but definitely more than I would have liked.
But what they do have.... gets me every time.... Tali +___+ I would do anything for......

...indeed. What was present was perfect.
Especially the big three words.

[Cro730]

Yes. I am happy Tali was not the "obvious" choice for romance. It makes it special that I went out of my way of everyone else and found her the most intrigueing and loveable, even in the midst of all the other possibilities thrown at me. Although, I didn't even consider them "possibilities", after I met Tali. She is the only one.

[EmperorZorn]

Tali is just an incredibly complex and mysterious character that has potential for more content,
no matter how much content she gets. You just don't get tired of her.

[Himmelstor]

Of course Tali is only one.
You're here, continuously, are you not?

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Himmelstor wrote...

darthrevaninlight wrote...

This is very true. Liara is the only UNKILLABLE character. Such a rip-off. SHE WAS THE ONE PERSON I WANTED TO KILL THE MOST >:0

...that's nice. Never hated Dr. T'Soni. Will never. Real enemy is fact that no one got happy ending.
Liara romancers lament not making blue babies just as we lament not building Tali'Zorah vas Rannoch her home.

You are a voice of reason.

[Cheese of Borg]

Lemonite wrote...

DaEvolution wrote...

Tali send me a message on my datapad after the ending, was something along the lines;
"Guess we're going to have a lot more sleepless nights together. But whatever happens, I'm here with you."
wtf

Are you serious? 

WAIT WHAT!!!

I don't want to sound like a troll but... PICS OR IT DIDN"T HAPPEN!!!:O:O

[knight5923]

Fenrisfil wrote...
*snip snip snip*

Tali on the other hand is much more like a human really and is a much more complex character. With her, it's always felt to me like you had to get to know her, and over time you find out just how special she is. But it's not all right up in your face all the time and really if it was, it wouldn't really be the Tali we love.

(hopefully the thread hasn't moved on too far again for this to seem relevant anymore)
(UPDATE: Yeah it did. I really should have bothered to quote someone for context. *shrug*)

Agreed.
Tali's romance scenes tend to be on a far more emotional level anyways. In this game (at least from the few LI scenes I've seen in it), Shepard seems to be far more open and vulnerable with Tali than with anyone else. Although, I've gotta say, I wish Mark Meer had taken a second try at a few of the lines. His "Thanks" at the end almost seemed dismissive (Though Sroka totally saved it with her "Whenever you need me.";) )

[Himmelstor]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

darthrevaninlight wrote...

This is very true. Liara is the only UNKILLABLE character. Such a rip-off. SHE WAS THE ONE PERSON I WANTED TO KILL THE MOST >:0

...that's nice. Never hated Dr. T'Soni. Will never. Real enemy is fact that no one got happy ending.
Liara romancers lament not making blue babies just as we lament not building Tali'Zorah vas Rannoch her home.

You are a voice of reason.

I try.

[DaEvolution]

Olueq wrote...

Technically Liara can die in ME3 if you dont have enough war assets and shes in your squad at the end before you meet harbinger.

Wasen't that a deleted scene?

[cannedcream]

Himmelstor wrote...
....Bioware better fix the damn endings. No happy ending with Tali means I'm a little angry.

Professor! Long time no see!

[Olueq]

DaEvolution wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Technically Liara can die in ME3 if you dont have enough war assets and shes in your squad at the end before you meet harbinger.

Wasen't that a deleted scene?

I believe any squad mate can die at that part if you dont have enough war assets. It doesnt show them die, just them lying on the ground afterwards. I have only seen Garrus and Ashley die there, on youtube.

Modifié par Olueq, 18 mars 2012 - 01:10 .