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[PhantomSpectre]

Garlador
wrote...

Well, all the talk of marriages has me thinking:

For those that are romantically involved with Tali, how many of her customs would you think Shepard would adopt, and how many human customs do you think she would adopt?

Even Tali herself through the Shadow Broker files was researching human customs... but the door swings both ways. What do you guys think?

I think that eventually Shep would adopt a quite many Quarian customs, especially if he is going to live with Tali on Rannoch.

However Shep adopting Tali's customs in ME3 is something that's completely different matter. I think that some things and customs would be quite easy to adopt like how Quarians share intimacy with their suits on. Most used example in fics is that tapping your forehead in anothers visor is equal to kiss. Simple gesture and something I would really like to see in ME3.

However other customs are not really likely. After all I think that quite many Quarian customs are some what adapted to living in their fleet and that's why they don't make that much sense outside the fleet.

Also I think that it's much easier for Tali to learn about human customs than other way around. Foremost the rest of the galaxy doesn't really know how Quarians really lives in their fleet and that's why extranet is not good source. But there are much more about humans and also it's much more trustworthy information. And there is much more of it too.

Regardless I would really like too see something like this in ME3. It would be great if you would share some simple things with your LI. Like there would be LI's items in your cabin or there would be some other LI specific moments.

[T.Attwood]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

Spartanburger
wrote...

I've read a few fanfics that deal with alien marriage. Generally it is similar, but a little different. It's always a different kind of tradition with similar, but not identical terms.


Calinstel's To Survive fanfic series deals with it particularly in 'Alliances'

Anyway I wouldn't be surprised if we would hear something about Quarians and their "marriage" customs in ME3. After all  BW had promised much more deeper relationships and that pretty much means more talks about things with LI. And in Tali's case, it's more about Quarians customs, history and so on. So, it's more than likely there is going to be conversation about this subject in some level in ME3. 

Yes, I think that Bioware are going in the right direction with ME3 with regards to having smaller but deeper relationships with characters (ME2 was great but it sometimes I felt like I was playing "Pokemon", i.e. 'gotta catch  recruit them all!' ). I think when you learn more about a character, you understand them better, and so when a bad scenario arises, you really feel for them, which adds to the story telling.

Modifié par T.Attwood, 13 juillet 2011 - 08:33 .

[StellarMagic]

I was playing around with GIMP and an image I found online awhile back... figured I'd share the result.


I always figured quarian eye brightness was due to eyeshine, not bioluminescence.  So with the mask off in normal light they don't 'glow'.  I also figured their pupils and by extension their irisis would be larger since eyeshine only occurs in the pupils usually.

Keeping fairly human features beside that, the different eyes alone combined with the dark skin color do seem to give her enough of an alien flavor.  Factor in probably the galaxy's worst case of helmet hair and she'd be really quite distinctive without the helmet.

[PhantomSpectre]

da_hizz_nizz
wrote...

Building upon what was discussed earlier what if during the course of ME3 you
were forced to choose between saving Tali's life or the Flotilla?

Now that would be horrible horrible choice to make. And no matter what you choose, it's lose-lose situation.

But luckily something like this is not going to happen. At least not in this scale. And it wouldn't be fair. If there would situation like this for Tali, then it should be the same for all LI's and that's not going to happen. Only with Quarians there is chance for the whole race to be destroyed in one attack, but no other race have this danger.

TheAwesomologist
wrote...



I can't help but get the feeling that we'll be faced with another "Virmire" situation where we'll be forced between squadies or races (or something in between). Hopefully it won't involve your LI, thats just too hard of a choice to make. There are plenty of other characters I would gladly sacrifice.

I'm pretty sure that there is going to be another Virmire situation, though this time it's more likely that you need to choose between some races or otherway testing moment (like N7: Javelin missiles launched assignment in ME2). 

After all ME3 is about war and in war you just can't save everyone. Sometimes you only have bad options and you need to choose lesser one of them. But I also hope that if there is situation, which really involves your LI,
that there is way to save it with Para/rene option or that you need to
do more side quests or something like that.

Though as much of I hope these "Virmirex2" situation wouldn't involve your LI, I fear BW is going to do it. What would be better way to show brutal this battle for survival is and how hard it's to make decisions than make it more personal for player by putting their LI in there?

[PhantomSpectre]

Destroy
Raiden wrote...



I would love to have special dialogue with Tali if she's on board your ship when you flee Earth in 3. I would like her to remark how now humans are like the Quarians in that they've now been forced to flee their home world. I just think she would comment on a moment like that.

I would really like to see something like this too and no matter if Tali is LI or not (though LI dialogue could be more personal or soothing). After all Tali might best understood what it's to be forced to lose your homeworld and how painful it's. Then again it's quite possible that dialogue like this wouldn't really be important. After all no of the Shep's backgrounds really made it looks like Earth would be important for him/her, not the way like it was for Quarians.

Nevertheless it would be great to see some sort of dialogue between Shep and Tali about losing Earth in some point of the game.

[PhantomSpectre]

sitesunseen
wrote...

I was watching some legion dialogue and he was talking about how geth only keep a few platforms on the surface to care for the world. Makes me think 300 years after the morning war the fleet would try to send like a probe or recon squad anything to check out the situation. It may be hard to bypass Geth territory but atleast some info is better than none.

Well probe could have worked, but recon squad would have been total suicide. I have got impression that Rannoch is really deep in Perseus Veil. There is no chance that recon team would have got there alive and that's why it would have been just useless waste of life and Quarian can't afford to loose their people pointlessly.

Also what it would have mattered if they would have somehow found out that there are only few platforms on the surface? I mean that information wouldn't have made it any safer to try to get it back. Quite contrary I think information like this could have made things worse. It could have caused false sense of security and it would have made it look like Geth are either weak or deserved the planet. And that would have caused more people willing to risk everything, even without necessary equipments or technology to go war against the Geth.

Because if Qaurian are not properly prepared before they would try to take their homeworld back, it would be like SM mission without getting those updgrades, only consequences are much worse for Quarians.

[DonutsDealer]

TheAwesomologist
wrote...



I can't help but get the feeling that we'll be faced with another "Virmire" situation where we'll be forced between squadies or races (or something in between). Hopefully it won't involve your LI, thats just too hard of a choice to make. There are plenty of other characters I would gladly sacrifice.

Well, you can always sacrifice the VS and save Tali.

Modifié par DonutsDealer, 13 juillet 2011 - 09:38 .

[Gust4v]

PhantomSpectre wrote...

PseudoEthnic wrote...

Here's a good topic:

How does your Shepard feel being with Tali knowing full well that physical contact outside her suit can potentially kill her? How does your Shepard feel about the (soon-to-be) controversy surrounding his relationship with his chief engineer? How does he respond to it? Where does your Shepard see their relationship going? How long do you think it will last?


Please try to answer these questions professionally without resorting to typical fanboy dribble.

Well this is interesting.

I think my Shep is most... *snip*

Hmm, agreed, you pretty much covered everything.

@stellarmagic: Purple eyes? That's new.
Not bad, I think her jaw is too small. Maybe it's the angle, not sure.

[DonutsDealer]

StellarMagic wrote...

I was playing around with GIMP and an image I found online awhile back... figured I'd share the result.


I always figured quarian eye brightness was due to eyeshine, not bioluminescence.  So with the mask off in normal light they don't 'glow'.  I also figured their pupils and by extension their irisis would be larger since eyeshine only occurs in the pupils usually.

Keeping fairly human features beside that, the different eyes alone combined with the dark skin color do seem to give her enough of an alien flavor.  Factor in probably the galaxy's worst case of helmet hair and she'd be really quite distinctive without the helmet.

I like this face, also the purple eyes are quite beautiful.

[DonutsDealer]

Sorry, double post.

Modifié par DonutsDealer, 13 juillet 2011 - 03:42 .

[T.Attwood]

StellarMagic wrote...

I was playing around with GIMP and an image I found online awhile back... figured I'd share the result.


I always figured quarian eye brightness was due to eyeshine, not bioluminescence.  So with the mask off in normal light they don't 'glow'.  I also figured their pupils and by extension their irisis would be larger since eyeshine only occurs in the pupils usually.

Keeping fairly human features beside that, the different eyes alone combined with the dark skin color do seem to give her enough of an alien flavor.  Factor in probably the galaxy's worst case of helmet hair and she'd be really quite distinctive without the helmet.

It's a good picture! I'd be happy with that if that is what she looked like. I'd have to go with Gust4v on this one, it does seem like the jaw (or maybe the face in general?) is slightly too small in proportion to the body. @Stellarmagic: any chance you can do a version with a larger face?

[Nashiktal]

I do think we should keep in mind that it is unlikely that any race will be destroyed in a "canon" ending without some planning. Bioware has expressed interest in making more games set in the Mass Effect universe, and while prequels can be interesting (as shown by KOTOR) the thought that only prequels can come next makes me feel a tad bit depressed.

Of course there are plenty of opportunities hidden in random time lines like the detective game idea posted in an article a while back, but still.

[IndigoWolfe]

As saccharine-prone as I do find the subject, watch this video. Seriously. Watch. This. Video.

(If you haven't already, that is.)

[da_hizz_nizz]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

As saccharine-prone as I do find the subject, watch this video. Seriously. Watch. This. Video.

(If you haven't already, that is.)

You gotta admit Tali knows how to get what she wants:D

Modifié par da_hizz_nizz, 13 juillet 2011 - 05:07 .

[mako_kid]

Well i've just came over from the old thread, (after paying my respects to it, such a sad day )and decided to jump ship. Now lets see what discussions have been going on as i've missed 82 pages of info.

...okay if they do a Virmire decision between say Tali and Garrus, or the fleet. i'm going to jump off one of the buildings at Canary wharf, I just couldn't make a decision like that.

BTW that pic is pretty sweet (another image saved ), I like how it keeps the human-like features the quarians have while still having that hint of alien with the skin color and eye structure, plus the overall darkness around the face still makes Tali look mysterious. My only complaint would be that the mouth looks like it needs lowering but meh, still awesome in my book.

Plus that shotgun marriage, who turned her down in the first place to get that response... I only feel pity for that misguided individual.

Modifié par mako_kid, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:31 .

[T.Attwood]

mako_kid wrote...
Well i've just came over from the old thread, (after paying my respects to it, such a sad day )and decided to jump ship. Now lets see what discussions have been going on as i've missed 82 pages of info.

Greetings Mako_kid! Yeah, there are quite a few pages to catch up on.

mako_kid wrote...
...okay if they do a Virmire decision between say Tali and Garrus, or the fleet. i'm going to jump off one of the buildings at Canary wharf, I just couldn't make a decision like that.

Hopefully they wont. I think there was a discussion a few pages back where it was mentioned that Bioware did consider something along those lines for DA but it was decided that decisions like that aren't fun for the player. I think it better that decisions where Tali (or other characters) die should be based upon the player making poor tactical decisions, or where decisions have unexpected consequences.

Modifié par T.Attwood, 13 juillet 2011 - 06:47 .

[StellarMagic]

New version... face enlarged and lengthened to fit more in the helmet.

[T.Attwood]

StellarMagic wrote...

New version... face enlarged and lengthened to fit more in the helmet.

Outstanding StellarMagic! I think you nailed it. That looks about spot on!

[mako_kid]

Thanks for the warm welcome Mr T , and good thinking on putting a link to this thread on the old one ( I should of thought of that.) I do hope they don't do a Virmire moment though, but go down the route of bad decision making and poor tactical choice like you said. (i can only hope)


And to StellarMagic, thanks for doing a larger face. To me it looks alot better.

Modifié par mako_kid, 13 juillet 2011 - 07:00 .

[Gust4v]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

Now it fits perfectly. I wonder if Quarians have any lips, or lack there of.

According to Ascension they have lips and teeth. Also, you can hear the kiss in the romance scene.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

Gust4v wrote...

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

Now it fits perfectly. I wonder if Quarians have any lips, or lack there of.

According to Ascension they have lips and teeth. Also, you can hear the kiss in the romance scene.

Indeedy. That scene in Ascension was so awful though, I wanted to kill Cerberus at that point.

[Cheese of Borg]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

If you don't romance Tali I think she would have a good shot with Kal or even Garrus.

Garrus's germs could actually effect tali, and kill her more easily then an alergic reaction to Shepard.

[HellBovine]

Cheese of Borg wrote...

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

If you don't romance Tali I think she would have a good shot with Kal or even Garrus.

Garrus's germs could actually effect tali, and kill her more easily then an alergic reaction to Shepard.

Plus Garrus acts more like an older brother than a potential suitor.