69153 réponses à ce sujet

[GoG ToXiC]

On my playthrough, after I did Legion's the crew got abducted. Is this because he was the only loyalty mission I had left to do?

[roflchoppaz]

GoG ToXiC wrote...

On my playthrough, after I did Legion's the crew got abducted. Is this because he was the only loyalty mission I had left to do?

Yes.

[Swordfish56]

The crew is abducted since its a scripted 'You got the Reaper IFF now the Collectors take your crew" event.

Afterwards, if you want to save your whole crew from being turned into Reaper goo, I'm pretty sure you only have time to do Legion's loyalty mission and then you have to enter the Omega-4 relay.

On my 1st playthrough, I spent my merry time prepping for the SM (because hey, its 'suicide') and I ended up with a Normandy devoid of all the non-squad crewmembers.

Needless to say I'm not going to import THAT run to ME3.


To keep it related to Tali...

I'm pretty sure she would approve of you jumping into save the crew ASAP. She seems to get along ok with her two co-workers down in engineering...probably Kelly as well.She would be horrified (like me) to watch Kelly get liquified.

Modifié par Swordfish56, 14 juillet 2011 - 06:05 .

[da_hizz_nizz]

Swordfish56 wrote...


To keep it related to Tali...

I'm pretty sure she would approve of you jumping into save the crew ASAP. She seems to get along ok with her two co-workers down in engineering...probably Kelly as well.She would be horrified (like me) to watch Kelly get liquified.

But if you were to do that you would be unable to complete the romance with Tali

[da_hizz_nizz]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

*coughs*

Holy crap this is an image that will stick with me everytime i play ME2 now. still tryna decide if it's beautiful or just shocking cuz of the zombie eyes:blink:

[DonutsDealer]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

*coughs*


masseffectclub.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3l73oq

I think Tali seems too old in this picture, like if she was 40.

[T.Attwood]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Just curious but how many people think that Tali and Legion are going to have a much more friendly attitude between eachother? Seeing as those two are going to be the central characters in the Geth/Quarian conflict it would be nice if Tali wasn't so suspicious of him.

Yes, they are both great characters. The mistrust is understandable, and it would be good if they did get along more. I am wondering if the scene with Legion And Tali on the Normandy where she is holding Legion at gunpoint because he is attempting to transmit data, I wonder if the options you select at that point has ramifications in ME3 and affects their relationship in a positive or negative way?

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
I personally tned to believe that during the time between ME2 and ME3 that they've become friends. How else would Legion be able to get into the Flotila again? Maybe they are both already pushing for peace if you have the correct save transfer for the two?

Maybe the threat of Galactic destruction by the Reapers, will make both Tali and Legion realise there is a greater enemy that needs to be tackled, and their own (although large) differences will be pushed back. Possibly, the opportunity of working together during ME3 against the Reapers will give them time to understand each other better, and help solve the Quarian/Geth conflict.

Edit: I dont see the Geth as necessarily evil. Just misguided. From the Quarians point of view, it must be strange to have created Geth for work purposes, and then to see it turn around and start questioning its own existence. From a humans point of view, we may see them as a unique race, but a Quarian must be in such a conflict in how to deal with the Geth, because they are their creation. Imagine if you just built yourself a toaster, then one day, it said to you "why am I here? What is with all the bread you keep shoving in my face?". Would you treat your creation as a living thing, or not, (because you know exactly how it works and know it is a machine)?

Modifié par T.Attwood, 14 juillet 2011 - 07:27 .

[Pride Demon]

da_hizz_nizz wrote...

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

*coughs*

Holy crap this is an image that will stick with me everytime i play ME2 now. still tryna decide if it's beautiful or just shocking cuz of the zombie eyes:blink:

Oh come on... It's not that bad, it's kind of nice actually...
Though I admit my first thought was...



Maybe that's what Shale looks like after she regains her body, besides didn't Quarians and Dwarves both revere their ancestors? ;P

PS. Someone seriously has to make the tali face meme, add Shale's face behind the mask and close the trio with a Oghren/Shepard making Sheploo's rapeface... That would be hylarious... XD

[Evil_Sarevok]

Or a very bizzare female Quarian Sarevok cross-breed, yeah, its a bit freaky.

[ISpeakTheTruth]

T.Attwood wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Just curious but how many people think that Tali and Legion are going to have a much more friendly attitude between eachother? Seeing as those two are going to be the central characters in the Geth/Quarian conflict it would be nice if Tali wasn't so suspicious of him.

Yes, they are both great characters. The mistrust is understandable, and it would be good if they did get along more. I am wondering if the scene with Legion And Tali on the Normandy where she is holding Legion at gunpoint because he is attempting to transmit data, I wonder if the options you select at that point has ramifications in ME3 and affects their relationship in a positive or negative way?

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
I personally tned to believe that during the time between ME2 and ME3 that they've become friends. How else would Legion be able to get into the Flotila again? Maybe they are both already pushing for peace if you have the correct save transfer for the two?

Maybe the threat of Galactic destruction by the Reapers, will make both Tali and Legion realise there is a greater enemy that needs to be tackled, and their own (although large) differences will be pushed back. Possibly, the opportunity of working together during ME3 against the Reapers will give them time to understand each other better, and help solve the Quarian/Geth conflict.

Edit: I dont see the Geth as necessarily evil. Just misguided. From the Quarians point of view, it must be strange to have created Geth for work purposes, and then to see it turn around and start questioning its own existence. From a humans point of view, we may see them as a unique race, but a Quarian must be in such a conflict in how to deal with the Geth, because they are their creation. Imagine if you just built yourself a toaster, then one day, it said to you "why am I here? What is with all the bread you keep shoving in my face?". Would you treat your creation as a living thing, or not, (because you know exactly how it works and know it is a machine)?

It would be cool if that conflict in ME2 and how it was resolved reflects how they act towards themselves in ME3 However I could see the Devs taking that out and saying no matter how it went they were both able to step back and see where eachother were coming from and move on.

From my point of view the Geth and Quarians have one problem each that prevented them from making peace before all this. The Geth are so happy to just be left alone they never took the time to try and talk to the Quarians and tell them that they would let them come home. The Quarians as a whole can't see that trying to kill the Geth because they woke up is wrong. As for your toaster comment I'd be so fasinated that I'd give the toaster a chair and start talking to it. I never understood the knee jerk reaction of 'AHHH Kill it Kill it with Fire!!"

Seems like if you're affraid of someone attacking you the last thing you do is attack the person... that ensures that they will attack you in response. Why is it that talking never seems to be the first choice? The Geth who first woke up were like children asking their parents questions about life and then their parents turn around and try to kill them? Qwib-Qwib has the right idea and I hope when ME3 starts out Tali's more on his side of thinking than she was in ME2.

[Nashiktal]

Technically the Quarians didn't "attack" the geth at first. The Quarians panicked, tried to turn the Geth off, (Which would constitute as an attack by the geth point of view, but its just turning off your assembly line to the Quarians.) The geth didn't take kindly to that, and it sparked off from there.

[NuclearBuddha]

da_hizz_nizz wrote...

Swordfish56 wrote...


To keep it related to Tali...

I'm pretty sure she would approve of you jumping into save the crew ASAP. She seems to get along ok with her two co-workers down in engineering...probably Kelly as well.She would be horrified (like me) to watch Kelly get liquified.

But if you were to do that you would be unable to complete the romance with Tali

Actually, if you time it just right, you can.  You have to leave her loyalty mission until last, though.

[sites32]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Technically the Quarians didn't "attack" the geth at first. The Quarians panicked, tried to turn the Geth off, (Which would constitute as an attack by the geth point of view, but its just turning off your assembly line to the Quarians.) The geth didn't take kindly to that, and it sparked off from there.

It was a logical move to make. The only other options effectively amounted to standing around while the geth got smarter and more organized and thus more dangerous. Too bad the quarians were already too late.

It really bugs me that whenever this is brought up in game Shepard is never allowed to agree with the quarians/Tali.

I know it's like you are not allowed to sympathise with the Quarians, never understood that. If your given freedom of choice why limit those choices.

[sites32]

Lezlie.Shep wrote...

*coughs*


masseffectclub.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3l73oq

Well now we know what the swirls on her suit mean, very nice work.

[Geeblerful]

[quote]Lezlie.Shep wrote...

*coughs*


masseffectclub.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d3l73oq

It kind of reminds me of darth vader

Modifié par Geeblerful, 14 juillet 2011 - 09:39 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

Saphra Deden wrote...

Nashiktal wrote...

Technically the Quarians didn't "attack" the geth at first. The Quarians panicked, tried to turn the Geth off, (Which would constitute as an attack by the geth point of view, but its just turning off your assembly line to the Quarians.) The geth didn't take kindly to that, and it sparked off from there.

It was a logical move to make. The only other options effectively amounted to standing around while the geth got smarter and more organized and thus more dangerous. Too bad the quarians were already too late.

It really bugs me that whenever this is brought up in game Shepard is never allowed to agree with the quarians/Tali.

How is attacking a specie that has never showed any agression towards the Quarians at all logical? The Geth asked if they had a soul they were just trying to understand their place in the world with their newly aquired sentience and the 'logical' move is to try and kill them? If the Quarians were affraid the Geth would attack them than why in god's name would they do the one thing that ensures that they're going to be attacked?

This line of thought is monsterous to me whenever someone advocates the genocide of an entire specie. The ironic thing is the Geth are more humain than the Quarians were. Had the Quarians won the Geth would have been wiped out, The Geth won and they have allowed the Quarians to excist. The right specie won that war because there's still a chance for both to win.

Here's the funny thing about this is the Geth don't use planets because it isn't efficient, had the Quarians spent time talking to the Geth they would have realised the planetary living wasn't for them and the Geth could have simply left the Quarian homeworlds, stayed in Quarian space in the stations they're in now and would you look at that everyone's fine. Yeah I can see how what the Quarians did was 'logical'

[sites32]

Humanity is no different, we would panic and kill the power if our computers looked back at us and asked if it had a soul. Fear is a powerful motivator.

[Rusty Pabst]

Another Tali pic:



http://masseffectscr...gnment-arrival/ (Contains mild spoilers from assignment Arrival.)

Modifié par Rusty Pabst, 14 juillet 2011 - 10:19 .

[ISpeakTheTruth]

sitesunseen wrote...

Humanity is no different, we would panic and kill the power if our computers looked back at us and asked if it had a soul. Fear is a powerful motivator.

1. I wouldn't... I don't understand why someone would be affraid of that. The only reason is we've been raise for years with B movies that portray robots and computers being alive = evil. That's the big reason is because fiction says its evil than it must be evil? Please.
2. If we did try to genocide sentient beings than we'd deserve the same treatment tha the Quarians got. Fear is not a valid reason to do horrible things and it certainly doesn't make us the ones in the right.

[Homebound]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

sitesunseen wrote...

Humanity is no different, we would panic and kill the power if our computers looked back at us and asked if it had a soul. Fear is a powerful motivator.

1. I wouldn't... I don't understand why someone would be affraid of that..

skynet.

[Pride Demon]

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

How is attacking a specie that has never showed any agression towards the Quarians at all logical? The Geth asked if they had a soul they were just trying to understand their place in the world with their newly aquired sentience and the 'logical' move is to try and kill them? If the Quarians were affraid the Geth would attack them than why in god's name would they do the one thing that ensures that they're going to be attacked?

This line of thought is monsterous to me whenever someone advocates the genocide of an entire specie. The ironic thing is the Geth are more humain than the Quarians were. Had the Quarians won the Geth would have been wiped out, The Geth won and they have allowed the Quarians to excist. The right specie won that war because there's still a chance for both to win.

Here's the funny thing about this is the Geth don't use planets because it isn't efficient, had the Quarians spent time talking to the Geth they would have realised the planetary living wasn't for them and the Geth could have simply left the Quarian homeworlds, stayed in Quarian space in the stations they're in now and would you look at that everyone's fine. Yeah I can see how what the Quarians did was 'logical'

I agree with a part of your post, but not with the parts in bold: there are a few things you have to consider...

- The Geth didn't allow anyone to exist, the Quarians that were still alive simply fled from their worlds with what little they had and the Geth didn't pursuit: maybe they didn't want to kill them all (in spite of basically having almost done that already), but it's just as likely they didn't follow because they are extremely isolationist and didn't want to risk contanct with other organics, or maybe they lacked a fleet with which to pursuit in the first place...

We know the Geth don't want war with the Quarians (at least Legion says so), but then again that's the consensus they have reached NOW, we have no idea what they thought back during the Morning war...
The important question is: Had the Quarians been uncapable of evacuating their planet would the Geth have stopped killing them?

- The Quarians have no reason to believe the Geth are peaceful, some may hope so (like Korris), but they can't be sure... Since the Geth admittedly never made any attempt to comunicate with anyone and Geth space was officially branded a point of no return how were the Quarians even supposed to be capable of contacting them?

Besides people seems to forget no one nowhere ever suggested the Geth were/are willing to give the Quarians their worlds back (even Legion doesn't say so), they just said they don't live on them and that they are "restoring" them, period...
It may be possible to convice them, but I assume the burden would be on Shepard, and the Geth aren't nearly as stupid as to let the Quarian back without assurance they won't attack them again...

Unless you were saying they should have talked to them before they rebelled, then I would agree more...
However, in this last case I'll point out the war wasn't about the Quarians fearing the Geth would take their worlds away, it was about the Quarians fearing the now self aware Geth would notice they were used as slaves and thus rebel...

Add to this the fact there's nothing you could give to a machine not to make it a slave and you have a difficult to resolve situation... How do you compensate a machine? With money? Why should it work for you in the first place? After all, unlike an organic, it hasn't any physical need, it's not like it needs to earn money to survive... Each ad every Geth would have had to decide to keep working in horrid and dangerous conditions just to make the Quarians a favour and without ever getting something in return... You can see why the Quarians may have feared they'd rebel...

Just my two cents...

Modifié par Pride Demon, 14 juillet 2011 - 10:37 .

[GoG ToXiC]

Hellbound555 wrote...

ISpeakTheTruth wrote...

sitesunseen wrote...

Humanity is no different, we would panic and kill the power if our computers looked back at us and asked if it had a soul. Fear is a powerful motivator.

1. I wouldn't... I don't understand why someone would be affraid of that..

skynet.

Yes, but skynet is fictional.  If you had quoted his entire post you would have read the part where he says fiction making them look evil seems to cloud peoples opinions.