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[Himmelstor]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...


Welcome back.
And can't get drunk or have hangovers since died curing genophage.

Won't be long, really tired now. Hope I can sleep without husks or other zombies.

And not getting drunk is no reason to empty enough mead to clean out all northern bee hives.

Then switch to red wine. Slows me down.

[Ryuji2]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...


Welcome back.
And can't get drunk or have hangovers since died curing genophage.

Won't be long, really tired now. Hope I can sleep without husks or other zombies.

And not getting drunk is no reason to empty enough mead to clean out all northern bee hives.

I believe Doc's just holding the line. Refusing to give up on an ending change. I know I am.

*downs another glass and sits back in lounge chair*

Keelah Se'lai. Someday.

Modifié par Ryuji2, 22 mars 2012 - 04:59 .

[Himmelstor]

Cro730 wrote...

hopefully there is Tali love included in their plans...
for anyone who hasn't seen the statement from bioware co-founder.
We are getting closer to getting more Tali with each day

Still unwilling to admit mistake.
Unwilling to admit vast majority of fans against endings, not just some.

Will hold line until fix is made.
Believe it when I see it.

[TrueMadayar]

I still find it strange that somebody would go through that much effort even before the last game. She's gorgeous for even trying.

[Cro730]

Himmelstor wrote...

Still unwilling to admit mistake.
Unwilling to admit vast majority of fans against endings, not just some.

Will hold line until fix is made.
Believe it when I see it.

:/
true, but we got the co-founder making a statement. At the very least it shows we are having an effect.
We proved it before in ME2 with the inclusion of Tali romance!


edit: ^those pictures look professionally done. The amount of detail put in the costume and edited effects is stunning, to say the least.

Modifié par Cro730, 22 mars 2012 - 05:04 .

[Ryuji2]

Cro730 wrote...

hopefully there is Tali love included in their plans...
for anyone who hasn't seen the statement from bioware co-founder.
We are getting closer to getting more Tali with each day

The thing I don't understand is how the development team could be surprised at how the fans would react. It ends up with us asking more questions instead of feeling closure. I know everyone has seen all the common questions such as:

Why is my squad in the Normandy when they were all on Earth with me?

Why is my LI coming out of the Normandy when (s)he was literally with me in the run towards the Conduit?

Why is Joker running from the relay explosion and not helping the fleets fight?

Etc. It just doesn't add up. I'm not expecting a sunshine and rainbows happy ending, but at least answer some of the questions that yet linger.

My two cents.

Modifié par Ryuji2, 22 mars 2012 - 05:03 .

[TrueMadayar]

Cro730 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Still unwilling to admit mistake.
Unwilling to admit vast majority of fans against endings, not just some.

Will hold line until fix is made.
Believe it when I see it.

:/
true, but we got the co-founder making a statement. At the very least it shows we are having an effect.
We proved it before in ME2 with the inclusion of Tali romance!

Adding a sexy character already in the first game is one thing. Destroying their entire end plot because it's a waste of time and artistically narrowly above painting with feces is another. When game developers start calling themselves artists, they get dangerous. It's like sandwich artists - it's an undeserved name.

[knight5923]

There's a lot of things about the ending that don't make sense to me *clears throat shamelessly*

But here's something that really struck me as strange: Why did Bioware decide that Shepard had to go up to the Citadel alone?
I think, like I did, most people knew that they were heading out on the final mission. And, I think like most people here, I brought Tali with me because I wanted her by my side at the end. So why would they have your squadmates magically teleport back to the Normandy and have Shep go it alone? I mean, I picked my squad for a reason. As bad as the ending was, having Tali there, propping Shepard up as they hobbled through the corridors, some dramatic or intimate conversations along the way, would have made it at least a little more palatable.
It just seems like such a great opportunity, completely overlooked<_<

[TrueMadayar]

Ryuji2 wrote...

The thing I don't understand is how the development team could be surprised at how the fans would react. It ends up with us asking more questions instead of feeling closure. I know everyone has seen all the common questions such as:

Why is my squad in the Normandy when they were all on Earth with me?

Why is my LI coming out of the Normandy when (s)he was literally with me in the run towards the Conduit?

Why is Joker running from the relay explosion and not helping fight?

Etc. It just doesn't add up. I'm not expecting a sunshine and rainbows happy ending, but at least answer some of the questions that yet linger.

My two cents.

Much appreciated, main concern of any and all the critics that actually thought about what they criticize. We don't aim for blue babies, purple babies or human-krogan babies. We got that covered. What we want is an ending that actually makes sense and not disregard the complete development and build-up as totally irrelevant.

[Himmelstor]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...

Still unwilling to admit mistake.
Unwilling to admit vast majority of fans against endings, not just some.

Will hold line until fix is made.
Believe it when I see it.

:/
true, but we got the co-founder making a statement. At the very least it shows we are having an effect.
We proved it before in ME2 with the inclusion of Tali romance!

Adding a sexy character already in the first game is one thing. Destroying their entire end plot because it's a waste of time and artistically narrowly above painting with feces is another. When game developers start calling themselves artists, they get dangerous. It's like sandwich artists - it's an undeserved name.

Were artists before. In first two games. Willing to call those art.
Hell, willing to call most of Mass Effect 3 art.

Ending turned them from artists into liars, idiots, lazy.
Term 'artist' goes to head, believe can do no wrong.
Art made and large segment agrees is good, at least impressive.

"Art" applied after, not before.

[Cro730]

knight5923 wrote...

There's a lot of things about the ending that don't make sense to me *clears throat shamelessly*

But here's something that really struck me as strange: Why did Bioware decide that Shepard had to go up to the Citadel alone?
I think, like I did, most people knew that they were heading out on the final mission. And, I think like most people here, I brought Tali with me because I wanted her by my side at the end. So why would they have your squadmates magically teleport back to the Normandy and have Shep go it alone? I mean, I picked my squad for a reason. As bad as the ending was, having Tali there, propping Shepard up as they hobbled through the corridors, some dramatic or intimate conversations along the way, would have made it at least a little more palatable.
It just seems like such a great opportunity, completely overlooked<_<

Please see fsdrage's fanfic suggested earlier for nearly all of your concerns to be addressed.

[knight5923]

Cro730 wrote...

Please see fsdrage's fanfic suggested earlier for nearly all of your concerns to be addressed.

I know, that's what spurred the thought. But still, WTF Bioware?<_<

Also, Top-O-Page

Modifié par knight5923, 22 mars 2012 - 05:11 .

[TrueMadayar]

Himmelstor wrote...


Were artists before. In first two games. Willing to call those art.
Hell, willing to call most of Mass Effect 3 art.

Ending turned them from artists into liars, idiots, lazy.
Term 'artist' goes to head, believe can do no wrong.
Art made and large segment agrees is good, at least impressive.

"Art" applied after, not before.

Sure, it was very, very artistic. But! It was made to make money, and that's the main concern of every game.

And in that way, Mass Effect 3 has fallen short of its potential due to the ending. So, strangely, painting a black gross all over Van Gogh's sunflowers does not increase its value.

[Cro730]

Himmelstor wrote...

Were artists before. In first two games. Willing to call those art.
Hell, willing to call most of Mass Effect 3 art.

Ending turned them from artists into liars, idiots, lazy.
Term 'artist' goes to head, believe can do no wrong.
Art made and large segment agrees is good, at least impressive.

"Art" applied after, not before.

Someone made a good point about the art controversy surrounding video games.
It can be compared to paying an artist to paint a mural. Sure, what the artist creates is "art", but you pay him to create what you wanted based on your expectations.
Same goes for video games.

[Ryuji2]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Much appreciated, main concern of any and all the critics that actually thought about what they criticize. We don't aim for blue babies, purple babies or human-krogan babies. We got that covered. What we want is an ending that actually makes sense and not disregard the complete development and build-up as totally irrelevant.

Lol I enjoyed that comic.

and you are 100% correct. As I've seen in a lot of other threads, it's not that we didn't get the ending we want, it's that the lack of closure actually hurts.

It hurts me to not know what happens to the characters I've grown to really care about and love when Bioware even promised that all questions would be answered during the development of ME3. It just hurts.

...I think I'll need another glass of the good stuff.

Modifié par Ryuji2, 22 mars 2012 - 05:16 .

[Himmelstor]

TrueMadayar wrote...

Himmelstor wrote...


Were artists before. In first two games. Willing to call those art.
Hell, willing to call most of Mass Effect 3 art.

Ending turned them from artists into liars, idiots, lazy.
Term 'artist' goes to head, believe can do no wrong.
Art made and large segment agrees is good, at least impressive.

"Art" applied after, not before.

Sure, it was very, very artistic. But! It was made to make money, and that's the main concern of every game.

And in that way, Mass Effect 3 has fallen short of its potential due to the ending. So, strangely, painting a black gross all over Van Gogh's sunflowers does not increase its value.

No. Smearing away logic, reason, continuity is negation of art if are concerned with story. Considering everything art results in justification of this.
"Don't need to change it, it's art."
"But artistic integrity."
Too broad a definition. Will not accept as art until makes sense.

Will hold the line.
Will not hold my breath for mere statements.

[Cro730]

knight5923 wrote...

Cro730 wrote...

Please see fsdrage's fanfic suggested earlier for nearly all of your concerns to be addressed.

I know, that's what spurred the thought. But still, WTF Bioware?<_<

Also, Top-O-Page
*snip*

I think they should take that fanfic and make it the new ending! It was very well done.
Especially the part with Tali and shepard as harbinger was approaching, near the end.

[Geckilian]

Not that much of a first post, but I recorded this and figured it may be appreciated -
http://www.onmvoice....lay.php?a=86959

Somewhat more solemn than I'm used to. Regardless, for that beachfront property, I'll gladly hold the line.

[TrueMadayar]

Ryuji2 wrote...

TrueMadayar wrote...

Much appreciated, main concern of any and all the critics that actually thought about what they criticize. We don't aim for blue babies, purple babies or human-krogan babies. We got that covered. What we want is an ending that actually makes sense and not disregard the complete development and build-up as totally irrelevant.

Lol I enjoyed that comic.

and you are 100% correct. As I've seen in a lot of other threads, it's not that we didn't get the ending we want, it's that the lack of closure actually hurts.

It hurts me to not know what happens to the characters I've grown to really care about and love when Bioware even promised that all questions would be answered during the development of ME3. It just hurts.

...I think I'll need another glass of the good stuff.

Take the bottle. I'm off to bed anyway.

[Himmelstor]

TrueMadayar wrote...

*snip*

Take the bottle. I'm off to bed anyway.

Keelah Se'lai.
Dream of Rannoch.

And Hold the Line, even when asleep.

[TrueMadayar]

Himmelstor wrote...


No. Smearing away logic, reason, continuity is negation of art if are concerned with story. Considering everything art results in justification of this.
"Don't need to change it, it's art."
"But artistic integrity."
Too broad a definition. Will not accept as art until makes sense.

Will hold the line.
Will not hold my breath for mere statements.

Well, I'm gonna destroy the Reapers after all, in the end. It seems that's the ending, since I live. And that, seeing the volume of the explosion, is impossible. So, maybe they tag on the ending after that. A brestplate with drawing breath, however, is no ending. It's a cliffhanger. We didn't want that. We wanted an ending.

Anyway, take care, Doc. Halt die Linie, and so on. Weicht keinen Schritt zurück! The best German version would be "Haltet die Stellung" - hold the position.

Keelah Se'Lai

[Himmelstor]

Think will go as well. See how Krogan are doing after cure.

Hold the Line.
Keelah Se'lai.

Good night.

And good music:

[Ryuji2]

Goodnight Doc and Mad, take care. I'll watch the bar until I head to bed. Probably will sleep on this lounge chair...quite comfy.

Hold the line.
Keelah Se'lai.

[Cro730]

Anyone else feel absolutely terrible when Tali was talking about that assasination attempt on her in the presidium? The way her voice sounded when she said she got hit with pulonium rounds... I felt awful that I wasn't there for her.

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Cro730 wrote...

Anyone else feel absolutely terrible when Tali was talking about that assasination attempt on her in the presidium? The way her voice sounded when she said she got hit with pulonium rounds... I felt awful that I wasn't there for her.

To be honest, I was kind of wondering at that point where polonium rounds went after ME1.