Tali'Zorah ME3 Thread *MAJOR SPOILER WARNING!*
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#2152
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:36
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GoG ToXiC wrote...
Hellbound555 wrote...
ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
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Humanity is no different, we would panic and kill the power if our computers looked back at us and asked if it had a soul. Fear is a powerful motivator.
1. I wouldn't... I don't understand why someone would be affraid of that..
skynet.
Yes, but skynet is fictional. If you had quoted his entire post you would have read the part where he says fiction making them look evil seems to cloud peoples opinions.
still, the concept of skynet is not so farfetched. it could happen. we could be one bad google update from the end of the world.
lol poor mordin.
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Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:39
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Assuming that a continuously developing AI will remain peaceful can be extremely dangerous as there is no means to know its intentions and difficult to stop once it gets going. There was no guarantee the geth would not attack them if they hadn't tried to shut them down.
#2154
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:39
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@Hellbound Yes... Because we would definitely give google control of ballistic nuclear weapons...
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#2155
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:40
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1. Never said the Geth were evil. Its human nature to fear whats not understood. Do I agree what the Quarians did, no but we've not been faced with such a situation.ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
sitesunseen wrote...
Humanity is no different, we would panic and kill the power if our computers looked back at us and asked if it had a soul. Fear is a powerful motivator.
1. I wouldn't... I don't understand why someone would be affraid of that. The only reason is we've been raise for years with B movies that portray robots and computers being alive = evil. That's the big reason is because fiction says its evil than it must be evil? Please.
2. If we did try to genocide sentient beings than we'd deserve the same treatment tha the Quarians got. Fear is not a valid reason to do horrible things and it certainly doesn't make us the ones in the right.
2. If it came down to a war we started or not, i'm going to do what I have to do to protect my family.
#2156
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:41
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@TOTP
Que le diabalo?
*clears throat*
What the devil.
Que le diabalo?
*clears throat*
What the devil.
#2157
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:46
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I guess it was fear of the unknown. Maybe the Quarians could have talked with the Geth at the point of awakening. From my understanding, they had two choices; immediately see there is a problem and try to turn off the power and give yourself time to assess the situation, or leave the factories on to keep producing Geth without knowing if they were friendly or were going to grow in numbers and attack. I do see your point about forcing the situation by switching off the factories and thus the Geth seeing it as an attack, and maybe the Quarians could have waited. But, if faced with that situation, I think I would have done the same. Maybe 'fear of the unknown' it is just one of those 'instinctual' qualities that doesn't work well in this situation. Reacting on instinct has served organics well during evolution, i.e. to run away from a predator without waiting and assessing the situation, but it looks like it was the wrong call for the Quarians that time.ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
How is attacking a specie that has never showed any agression towards the Quarians at all logical? The Geth asked if they had a soul they were just trying to understand their place in the world with their newly aquired sentience and the 'logical' move is to try and kill them? If the Quarians were affraid the Geth would attack them than why in god's name would they do the one thing that ensures that they're going to be attacked?
I'd agree with that. But the Quarians have paid dearly for a mistake. They have lost their home, have no resources, most of their population wiped out, and have been forced to live in an environmental suit for hundreds of years. Maybe they have suffered enough for an error of judgement.ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
This line of thought is monsterous to me whenever someone advocates the genocide of an entire specie. The ironic thing is the Geth are more humain than the Quarians were. Had the Quarians won the Geth would have been wiped out, The Geth won and they have allowed the Quarians to excist. The right specie won that war because there's still a chance for both to win.
I think the Geth and the Quarians need to be put into a room to talk it out. The Geth need to understand that organics are fallible and squishy, and don't have the Geths processing power to be able to assess situations correctly in a fraction of a second. Taking a quote from the movie Mars Attacks, "why can't we all just 'get along'?"...ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
Here's the funny thing about this is the Geth don't use planets because it isn't efficient, had the Quarians spent time talking to the Geth they would have realised the planetary living wasn't for them and the Geth could have simply left the Quarian homeworlds, stayed in Quarian space in the stations they're in now and would you look at that everyone's fine. Yeah I can see how what the Quarians did was 'logical'
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#2158
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:50
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Send a PM to JeanLuc761mako_kid wrote...
ok i've been looking for that texmod everywhere and i'm still no closer, where do I download the new covers for shepard's bed. I need something of Tali in that cabin of mine when i restart ME2 for the 9th time.
Help me obi-wan kenobi, you're my only hope ...wait wrong franchise
but seriously, one of you fine fellows help me please.
#2159
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 10:55
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GoG ToXiC wrote...
@Hellbound Yes... Because we would definitely give google control of ballistic nuclear weapons...
Youd be surprised how much power Google has.
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Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:04
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This is a very interesting perspective! Prior to this, I was concerned by the Quarians 'reactionary' approach and whether they made a bad call based on panic, but after reading this, I do begin to see what they may have been thinking, and what their fear was.Pride Demon wrote...
Unless you were saying they should have talked to them before they rebelled, then I would agree more...
However, in this last case I'll point out the war wasn't about the Quarians fearing the Geth would take their worlds away, it was about the Quarians fearing the now self aware Geth would notice they were used as slaves and thus rebel...
Add to this the fact there's nothing you could give to a machine not to make it a slave and you have a difficult to resolve situation... How do you compensate a machine? With money? Why should it work for you in the first place? After all, unlike an organic, it hasn't any physical need, it's not like it needs to earn money to survive... Each ad every Geth would have had to decide to keep working in horrid and dangerous conditions just to make the Quarians a favour and without ever getting something in return... You can see why the Quarians may have feared they'd rebel...
I thought Saphra's point was also interesting, in that the ME story seemed to force you to side with the Geth, which I did also notice when I was playing it, and wondered why there was no option to take the Quarians side. I guess Bioware wanted to show the Geth in a different light, in preparation for ME3.
#2161
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:09
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Tali has more power thoughHellbound555 wrote...
Youd be surprised how much power Google has.
#2162
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:12
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i love mass effect game, i especially loved ME2 when i got to romance Tali, but was vaguely disappointed when i didnt get to she what she looked like, i hope when i get the new ME3 i can continue romancing Tali and maybe even see what she looks like under her suit. She has the curves so come up with a body for her.
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Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:29
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ISpeakTheTruth wrote...
How is attacking a specie that has never showed any agression towards the Quarians at all logical?
Sometimes you can't afford to wait around to be proven wrong.
Suppose the quarians had waited and the geth got more organized? At that point the quarains better hope the geth are peaceful because if they're hostile the geth now have all the advantages. It's too dangerous.
Here's an old post of mine on the subject:
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The quarians did not do anything wrong. The geth achieved sentience due to a malfunction; they were not designed to ever do that. It was supposed to be impossible. The fact that they did implied a major error. Of-course the quarians were scared, why wouldn't they be? There were millions, perhaps billions of geth platforms, many of them armed. They were integrated into every portion of quarian society. The quarians knew that if the geth became hostile that their species faced total destruction.
They couldn't afford to sit around and try to reason with the geth. The safest course of action was to order the shut-down of all geth before any more became self-aware. Then they could analyze what had gone wrong and correct it.
They didn't realize they were too late.
Even Legion says that the geth went too far and this means that the geth were not very well developed, cognitively, at this point. This further reinforces the point that the quarians were right to fear their creations. If the geth were so primitive that they'd slaughter 99% of the quarian race then what makes you think peace was even possible back then? It is certainly possible now, but that was no guarantee during the Morning War.
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If the quarians tried for peace and were wrong they faced a greater chance of being completely wiped out. By "attacking" however they increased their odds of defeating the geth and saving themselves from destruction. Even if they failed to win, just going on the offensive, making the first move, would limit how badly they'd lose. As we saw enough of the species managed to escape to keep the species going for the next three centuries. If the geth had been given first strike would that have been the case? Is that a risk worth taking?
You have two species, A and B.
If A attacks B and B does nothing then A wins and is safe and B is extinct.
If A attacks and B attacks then both are hurt but both survive.
If B attacks A and A does nothing then B wins and is safe and A is extinct.
If neither species attacks then both survive unscathed but will always be in constant danger.
Obviously the best option for the group as a whole (the group being both A and B together) is to go for peace, but A and B may not see themselves as one group. They see two separate groups.
So for either race, attacking guarantees survival but trying for peace risks death. Which is smarter then, the option that guarantees survival of the species or the option that might cause them to lose everything?
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Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:32
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Pride Demon wrote...
Unless you were saying they should have talked to them before they rebelled, then I would agree more...
However, in this last case I'll point out the war wasn't about the Quarians fearing the Geth would take their worlds away, it was about the Quarians fearing the now self aware Geth would notice they were used as slaves and thus rebel...
Add to this the fact there's nothing you could give to a machine not to make it a slave and you have a difficult to resolve situation... How do you compensate a machine? With money? Why should it work for you in the first place? After all, unlike an organic, it hasn't any physical need, it's not like it needs to earn money to survive... Each ad every Geth would have had to decide to keep working in horrid and dangerous conditions just to make the Quarians a favour and without ever getting something in return... You can see why the Quarians may have feared they'd rebel...
Just my two cents...
Yes I meant they should have talked before they attacked the Geth. The Geth were just now waking up they were trying to figure out what they wanted to do and the best thing in that situation is to talk to them and find out together. As for how the Geth would react to being slaves here's how you solve that.... stop using them as slaves remove all the duties that are assinged to the Geth and tell them that they don't have to do what they are told anymore. You don't have to give them anything else at least not right away because you'd have years of discussions to have to find out where things are going to go from here. Basically if you're affraid they're going to be mad that they're slaves than free them so they aren't slaves anymore.
Again the horrible irony here is in those years of talks the Geth would have realised living on a planet just isn't practical and they'd happily leave the Quarians alone and live in stations in their space. Maybe at that time they'd ask for tech or some resources to get that started but at that time the two would be rather friendly.
It makes me sad that this is where the two sides are.
#2165
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:35
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I hope we don't get another vermire moment
#2166
Posté 14 juillet 2011 - 11:35
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its like the only reason they r fighting is because the other guys are fighting, and the only reason the other guys are fighting is because they r fighting.
#2167
Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:13
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T.Atwood, doesn't that quote come just before the aliens kill the guy saying it?
#2168
Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:25
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A lot of people won't like this concept for Tali because it's not "human enough", but I really like it. We have enough humanoids in the galaxy anyways.
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http://social.biowar...8199/138754.jpg
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http://social.biowar...8199/138754.jpg
#2169
Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:33
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^ Looks like a hurian. (human and turian mix) Don't like it.
Edit: Besides, Quarians do have human like lips.
Edit: Besides, Quarians do have human like lips.
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#2171
Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:38
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Not very fond of that one, myself.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:41
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Good concept.... I can dig it.100k wrote...
A lot of people won't like this concept for Tali because it's not "human enough", but I really like it. We have enough humanoids in the galaxy anyways.
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http://social.biowar...8199/138754.jpg
#2173
Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:48
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It's okay, I really like it except for the mandible things.100k wrote...
A lot of people won't like this concept for Tali because it's not "human enough", but I really like it. We have enough humanoids in the galaxy anyways.
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http://social.biowar...8199/138754.jpg
#2174
Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:54
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Its strange but i've seen lots of fanart and could not really hear tali's voice with certain pics. This is one that to me fits her accent. maybe its the eyes.
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Posté 15 juillet 2011 - 12:55
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100k wrote...
A lot of people won't like this concept for Tali because it's not "human enough", but I really like it. We have enough humanoids in the galaxy anyways.
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http://social.biowar...8199/138754.jpg
IS that meant to be official consept art?
