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[Olueq]

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Olueq wrote...

I actually thought the same thing. Even though when you actually think about it, siding with the geth makes no sense considering their technology would still exist if they all died, they are a liability (as they can be easily brainwashed), have no emotion, and you would be killing million of innocents. Yet some people are still dumb enough to side with them?

That's the problem; people don't think about any of the things you just mentioned.

I dont think people think in general.

[Cro730]

Olueq wrote...

Maderek wrote...

"Yeah, why side with the Geth when I can just tell everyone to shut up and make everybody love me?"

Seriously, I don't see the point in anything else when you can just side with everyone.

Obviously, this is if you cant.

Exactly. I told my friend to re-load a save and play the mission again to make peace. I watched him through a live stream online. When he got to the part where there was supposed to be a paragon option, nothing showed up. So in his game, he had to choose between geth or quarians.
he still made the wrong choice...

[Vistanti]

I did enjoy seeing the Quarian/Geth history through the Geth's eyes. It was a refreshing change of pace and helped me relate to their race on a much deeper level.

Sorry if this isn't terribly insightful, I've been up for like 30+ hours and just took some Vicodin... @_@!

[Geckilian]

Cheers for the heads up on when I can get Tali in ME2 guys, it's appreciated.

I've certainly noticed that at the same level of difficulty as ME3, 2 is actually a lot harder it seems. Shields go down ridiculously quickly, and a shot of two from an enemy can cripple me.

[Maderek]

Cro730 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Maderek wrote...

"Yeah, why side with the Geth when I can just tell everyone to shut up and make everybody love me?"

Seriously, I don't see the point in anything else when you can just side with everyone.

Obviously, this is if you cant.

Exactly. I told my friend to re-load a save and play the mission again to make peace. I watched him through a live stream online. When he got to the part where there was supposed to be a paragon option, nothing showed up. So in his game, he had to choose between geth or quarians.
he still made the wrong choice...

Yeah, parts like this really screw over people aren't straight paragon or renegade.

"I'm MORALLY AMBIGIOUS."
"Oh, that just means you can't persuade anyone and now have to pick between the geth or the quarians. Have fun"
"fgsdpsfndjkf"

[Mr. Big Pimpin]

Olueq wrote...

I dont think people think in general.

HellBovine wrote...

That's the problem; people don't think

Good point.

[Geckilian]

Work in 5 hours, so I'll be off to actually get some sleep. Take care all, and I'll look forward to catching up on the thread later this morning. Should be able to get Tali in ME2 after work tomorrow, so something to look forward to.

[Hypnotix0000]

Olueq wrote...

Maderek wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Mr. Big Pimpin wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Why did Bioware try to make us feel so sympathetic to the geth? All the rannoch missions felt so biased. Notice how they never show you any quarian children on the fleet? Also, why is siding with the quarians the renegade option (or at least implied)?

I've been saying/asking the same thing for a while now. My bet is that they wanted roughly equal numbers of people to choose either side, so decided to present a biased view in order to sway more towards the geth. Many people sadly were easily manipulated by this.

I actually thought the same thing. Even though when you actually think about it, siding with the geth makes no sense considering their technology would still exist, they are a liability as they can be easily brainwashed, have no emotion, and you would be killing million of innocents. Yet some people are still dumb enough to side with them?

"Yeah, why side with the Geth when I can just tell everyone to shut up and make everybody love me?"

Seriously, I don't see the point in anything else when you can just side with everyone.

Obviously, this is if you cant.

The problem is that new players, even if from ME2, don't have the history fighting Geth like players from the first game do. There's a difference between hearing one side of the story instead of both.

Yes, the Geth originally had conflicting interests, including the fate of the Quarians after the Morning War, down to supporting the Reapers/Saren in the first/third games, but if you can't get a good all-around look at the situation, the Quarians come off as uncaring, tech-starved thieves trying to destroy something unique as redemption for their punishment.

Really, the Quarians misunderstood the Geth from the start. They should have welcomed them into society while determining how effectively they coordinate with each other. Start giving them something that doesn't just amount to fear about their existence. Make them an integral part of life instead of the "work horse" of the Quarians.

Yes, the situation with the Quarians and Geth is their own doing, but it shouldn't result in genocide, on either side.

[Naltair]

Mainly because the Geth have not had much positive for them until Legion, up until that point they were just robots gone bad killing their masters. Then they got more depth, and for me personally I feel the Quarians probably deserve their fate on some level, but hey history is written by the victors and those that survive. In the end you can find peace, it isn't easy, but you can.

Ultimately my view is that both species deserve a chance for a future; not like humans, turians, or asari have figured out the right way to do things. Besides the Geth can be manipulated just as easy as any other species when it comes to the Reapers. I don't think one can use that as a fault.

Modifié par Naltair, 24 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[nitefyre410]

Hypnotix0000 wrote...

*snip* 

The problem is that new players, even if from ME2, don't have the history fighting Geth like players from the first game do. There's a difference between hearing one side of the story instead of both.

Yes, the Geth originally had conflicting interests, including the fate of the Quarians after the Morning War, down to supporting the Reapers/Saren in the first/third games, but if you can't get a good all-around look at the situation, the Quarians come off as uncaring, tech-starved thieves trying to destroy something unique as redemption for their punishment.

Really, the Quarians misunderstood the Geth from the start. They should have welcomed them into society while determining how effectively they coordinate with each other. Start giving them something that doesn't just amount to fear about their existence. Make them an integral part of life instead of the "work horse" of the Quarians.

Yes, the situation with the Quarians and Geth is their own doing, but it shouldn't result in genocide, on either side.

 

^ this..

Thats why when I settle 300 year old blood feuds ... I always choose peace.  

stay peaceful my friends. 

Modifié par nitefyre410, 24 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[Maderek]

nitefyre410 wrote...


stay peaceful my friends. 

The Most Peaceful Man in the World

[Olueq]

Naltair wrote...

Mainly because the Geth have not had much positive for them until Legion, up until that point they were just robots gone bad killing their masters. Then they got more depth, and for me personally I feel the Quarians probably deserve their fate on some level, but hey history is written by the victors and those that survive. In the end you can find peace, it isn't easy, but you can.

Ultimately my view is that both species deserve a chance for a future; not like humans, turians, or asari have figured out the right way to do things. Besides the Geth can be manipulated just as easy as any other species when it comes to the Reapers. I don't think one can use that as a fault.

Okay, this is if you DONT have the option for peace.

Your forgetting Overlord, and rewritting the heretics, they can be easily manipulated. Also, they willingly chose to side with the reapers when they were losing. Whos to say they wont do that again if the reapers take the advantage in the final battle? And saying the quarians deserve what they got is ridiculous, yes Im sure millions of children and people that were against the war deserved to die.

Modifié par Olueq, 24 mars 2012 - 01:09 .

[Naltair]

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

[electrosphere11]

Maderek wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...


stay peaceful my friends. 

The Most Peaceful Man in the World

I don't always kill geth. But when I do, they're Heretics.

Modifié par electrosphere11, 24 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Olueq]

Naltair wrote...

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

Wait, when was this? And you are missing the point. The geth can still be useful when they are dead and this way millions of innocents arent dying.

[WizenSlinky0]

Olueq wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

Wait, when was this? And you are missing the point. The geth can still be useful when they are dead and this way millions of innocents arent dying.

Anderson mentions it. Reapers invited government leaders onto their "super-structures" (Reapers) to "negotiate". This leads to indoctrination and Anderson theorizes that it won't be long before it's illegal to fight back against the reapers "in the name of peace".

[electrosphere11]

Naltair wrote...

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

They did? I don't remember hearing that part.

Modifié par electrosphere11, 24 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

Wait, when was this? And you are missing the point. The geth can still be useful when they are dead and this way millions of innocents arent dying.

Read the reports from the Shadow Broker, it is mentioned, also I beelive Diana Allers mentions it as well.

As to the Quarians I don't espouse destroying the race but it was their own fear of their synthetic children that did them in.  The Geth could have wiped them out but didn't.  They made a choice for peace.

[Olueq]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

Wait, when was this? And you are missing the point. The geth can still be useful when they are dead and this way millions of innocents arent dying.

Anderson mentions it. Reapers invited government leaders onto their "super-structures" (Reapers) to "negotiate". This leads to indoctrination and Anderson theorizes that it won't be long before it's illegal to fight back against the reapers "in the name of peace".

i would consider that more indoctrination rather than willingly joining them.

[Naltair]

WizenSlinky0 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Human leaders on earth sided with the Reapers too, when a species is offered a choice of I will annihilate you, or work for me... they usually choose the path of survival.

Wait, when was this? And you are missing the point. The geth can still be useful when they are dead and this way millions of innocents arent dying.

Anderson mentions it. Reapers invited government leaders onto their "super-structures" (Reapers) to "negotiate". This leads to indoctrination and Anderson theorizes that it won't be long before it's illegal to fight back against the reapers "in the name of peace".

This as well, the Reapers are insidious.

[Cro730]

electrosphere11 wrote...

Maderek wrote...

nitefyre410 wrote...

stay peaceful my friends. 

The Most Peaceful Man in the World

I don't always kill geth. But when I do, they're Heretics.

I see what you did there.



and geth were originally machines. Quarians were always organic, and always alive.
Sure it may be debateable if geth are "alive", with the new reaper code, but when forced with a decision just go with the quarians.
There is no debate if they are alive - they always have been. They take priority imo,
(especially cause Tali is Quarian duh)

Modifié par Cro730, 24 mars 2012 - 01:15 .

[WizenSlinky0]

Olueq wrote...

i would consider that more indoctrination rather than willingly joining them.

They willingly chose to get on the reapers rather than face extinction. Same principle. There's a lot of things you'll do when faced with your entire species going extinct.

The Geth were losing. They were going to be obliterated. Every last one of them. The reapers offered them an out and they took it. I would have to.

[Vistanti]

That's a chilling thought right there. Which brings up another question: Do you guys think Shepard has been around enough reapertech to compromise his sanity? Do you think he's become indoctrinated?

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote....
i would consider that more indoctrination rather than willingly joining them.

They chose to try and "reason" with the Reapers to save their skins and those of their people.  The same thing the Geth did in ME3, in the end the choice works out to be the same, subjugation by the Reapers.

[Naltair]

Vistanti wrote...

That's a chilling thought right there. Which brings up another question: Do you guys think Shepard has been around enough reapertech to compromise his sanity? Do you think he's become indoctrinated?

That is kind of one of the basis for the Indoctrination theory for the endings.