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[Hypnotix0000]

Naltair wrote...

The Council has teeth, but not very strong ones. I mean the rise of humanity in ME1 shows they can be easily bulldozed.

In politics, yes, the Council has the Asari and the Salarians to talk down as many threats as possible,and while they aren't considered the teeth, if they ever got serious the Turians would be sent out in force; and Raan said that they could hold the Turians after they oufitted every ship in the fleet possible with dreadnought class weapons.

That says a lot about the strength of the Turian military.They could've even kept the Krogan handled until they bred out of control. So it's not entirely fair to say the Quarians would just push the Council over.

[Olueq]

And it does matter because the geth want peace do they not? Well they made it really hard for people to trust them.

Modifié par Olueq, 24 mars 2012 - 01:59 .

[Olueq]

Naltair wrote...

Olueq wrote...

Naltair wrote...

No one cared about the Geth till ME1, until then they stayed behind the Perseus Veil like a good isolationist nation.

The Council and by extension Council space didn't care, they were not their problem. The only people that cared about the Geth was the Quarians. They were a non-entity until Saren and Soveriegn.

Uhhh thats not the point. Remember the citadel tried to communicate with the geth but they always responded with violence, then the geth attack the citadel... so, yeah I would be hesitant on trying to make peace with them as well.

When did the Citadel communicate with the Geth?

ME1 geth codex

[Naltair]

Hypnotix0000 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

The Council has teeth, but not very strong ones. I mean the rise of humanity in ME1 shows they can be easily bulldozed.

In politics, yes, the Council has the Asari and the Salarians to talk down as many threats as possible,and while they aren't considered the teeth, if they ever got serious the Turians would be sent out in force; and Raan said that they could hold the Turians after they oufitted every ship in the fleet possible with dreadnought class weapons.

That says a lot about the strength of the Turian military.They could've even kept the Krogan handled until they bred out of control. So it's not entirely fair to say the Quarians would just push the Council over.

It is entirely fair to say that the Council likes to avoid outright military conflict when it can.

Which given the situation, a Council backed military engagement aginst the Quarians trying to settle a new home could have been a PR nightmare if played correctly by the Quarian gov't.

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote...
ME1 geth codex

Looking at the Codex entry on the wiki and I see no mention of communication.

http://masseffect.wi...n-Council_Races 

[Hypnotix0000]

Olueq wrote...

And it does matter because the geth want peace do they not? Well they made it really hard for people to trust them.

It's hard to negotiate peace when everyone wants to destroy you, just because of being synthetic. They consider any encroaching organics to be on a seek-and-destroy mission, because it's what they KNOW organics do. They know without a doubt, organics would terminate them on contact. It's why they stayed in their space, waiting for some solution to the problem.

[Olueq]

Hypnotix0000 wrote...

Olueq wrote...

And it does matter because the geth want peace do they not? Well they made it really hard for people to trust them.

It's hard to negotiate peace when everyone wants to destroy you, just because of being synthetic. They consider any encroaching organics to be on a seek-and-destroy mission, because it's what they KNOW organics do. They know without a doubt, organics would terminate them on contact. It's why they stayed in their space, waiting for some solution to the problem.

Yes but then some of them left and joined the reapers in ME1, including the attack on the citadel. Would the rest not think it important to clarify their seperation? Theres no record of them even trying before ME2. They only tried with ONE platform after ME1 and that was only with shepard because he killed saren. Had shepard not killed saren, and it was collaborative effort, then would thay have bothered?

Modifié par Olueq, 24 mars 2012 - 02:14 .

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote...
Yes but then some of them left and joined the reapers in ME1, including the attack on the citadel. Would the rest not think it important to clarify their seperation? Theres no record of them even trying.

Again I think they just didn't care or it didn't occur to them that organics could not tell the difference.  To them it was obvious that the heretics were not part of their consensus.

It is kind of how for Legion their is no difference between the crew of the Normandy and the Normandy itself, for it; they are one entity working towards a singular goal.  If that makes sense.

The Geth mindset before they get upgraded by Legion is kind of a hard one to grasp from an individual stand point.

[Hypnotix0000]

Naltair wrote...

Hypnotix0000 wrote...

Naltair wrote...

The Council has teeth, but not very strong ones. I mean the rise of humanity in ME1 shows they can be easily bulldozed.

In politics, yes, the Council has the Asari and the Salarians to talk down as many threats as possible,and while they aren't considered the teeth, if they ever got serious the Turians would be sent out in force; and Raan said that they could hold the Turians after they oufitted every ship in the fleet possible with dreadnought class weapons.

That says a lot about the strength of the Turian military.They could've even kept the Krogan handled until they bred out of control. So it's not entirely fair to say the Quarians would just push the Council over.

It is entirely fair to say that the Council likes to avoid outright military conflict when it can.

Which given the situation, a Council backed military engagement aginst the Quarians trying to settle a new home could have been a PR nightmare if played correctly by the Quarian gov't.

Agreed. It doesn't look good for the seat of galactic power to take drastic or outright aggressive action, though they could station them along the borders to watch, and likely justify it with recent turmoil with the Geth.

Not a good excuse, but something to at least bury doubts about the motive, and drive the Quarians into this villainous role around synthetics.

[Olueq]

Naltair wrote...

Olueq wrote...
Yes but then some of them left and joined the reapers in ME1, including the attack on the citadel. Would the rest not think it important to clarify their seperation? Theres no record of them even trying.

Again I think they just didn't care or it didn't occur to them that organics could not tell the difference.  To them it was obvious that the heretics were not part of their consensus.

It is kind of how for Legion their is no difference between the crew of the Normandy and the Normandy itself, for it; they are one entity working towards a singular goal.  If that makes sense.

The Geth mindset before they get upgraded by Legion is kind of a hard one to grasp from an individual stand point.

Its possible that it never occured to them, but that seems like a pretty serious issue to not care about and a pretty simple issue to not understand. That also doesnt change the fact that no one would know they want peace.

[Hypnotix0000]

Naltair wrote...

Olueq wrote...
Yes but then some of them left and joined the reapers in ME1, including the attack on the citadel. Would the rest not think it important to clarify their seperation? Theres no record of them even trying.

The Geth mindset before they get upgraded by Legion is kind of a hard one to grasp from an individual stand point.

Heh heh. You ever watch a session of Congress?

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote...
Its possible that it never occured to them, but that seems like a pretty serious issue to not care about and a pretty simple issue to not understand. That also doesnt change the fact that no one would know they want peace.

Very true which is why we get Legion in ME2.

As to the public image of the Geth, I just don't think they see things in the same context as organics.  They don't understand organics, we get this much from just speaking to Legion in ME2, they are as curious about us as we are of them, well if you look past initial hatred.

Modifié par Naltair, 24 mars 2012 - 02:23 .

[Naltair]

Sorry for thread derailment I actually found this conversation riveting and interesting

[Olueq]

Naltair wrote...

Olueq wrote...
Its possible that it never occured to them, but that seems like a pretty serious issue to not care about and a pretty simple issue to not understand. That also doesnt change the fact that no one would know they want peace.

Very true which is why we get Legion in ME2.

As to the public image of the Geth, I just don't think they see things in the same context as organics.  They don't understand organics, we get this much from just speaking to Legion in ME2, they are as curious about us as we are of them, well if you look past initial hatred.

I disagree. Legion says:

``We do not experience fear, but we understand how it affects you``

While its obvious they dont fully understand the galaxy, its obvious they are aware that the galaxy sees them as a threat... so they send ONE platform to look for ONE person? And when they found out shepared was dead, they didnt try to do anything after that? And why did they wait until after ME1 to try anything? Why not just comm relay the citadel and say:

``Yo, those were the heretics, not us. We are peaceful``

Modifié par Olueq, 24 mars 2012 - 02:31 .

[Olueq]

Yes, quite the derailment indeed.

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote...

Naltair wrote...

Olueq wrote...
Its possible that it never occured to them, but that seems like a pretty serious issue to not care about and a pretty simple issue to not understand. That also doesnt change the fact that no one would know they want peace.

Very true which is why we get Legion in ME2.

As to the public image of the Geth, I just don't think they see things in the same context as organics.  They don't understand organics, we get this much from just speaking to Legion in ME2, they are as curious about us as we are of them, well if you look past initial hatred.

I disagree. Legion says:

``We do not experience fear, but we understand how it affects you``

That statement does not imply they understand organics, just that they have keen observation skills.

Plus the statement is somewhat incorrect, they may not experience the chemical change that precipitates fear, but they damn well understand a threat to their survival and can make poor decisions based on bad information or bad circumstances in response to said threat.

Oh I agree the Geth could have acted much sooner to say hey those dudes were crazy, but we are totally cool.

Modifié par Naltair, 24 mars 2012 - 02:32 .

[Olueq]

Legion does say:

``organics do not choose to fear us, it is a function of your hardware``
so they are aware the galaxy sees them as a threat and they believe they can make contact because they send Legion after shepard... but when he dies.. they just sort of give up... as well, why they didnt try sooner makes no sense.

Modifié par Olueq, 24 mars 2012 - 02:36 .

[Hypnotix0000]

Naltair wrote...

Olueq wrote...
Its possible that it never occured to them, but that seems like a pretty serious issue to not care about and a pretty simple issue to not understand. That also doesnt change the fact that no one would know they want peace.

Very true which is why we get Legion in ME2.

As to the public image of the Geth, I just don't think they see things in the same context as organics.  They don't understand organics, we get this much from just speaking to Legion in ME2, they are as curious about us as we are of them, well if you look past initial hatred.

I'd love a prolonged interaction with the geth consensus. With 300 years of history, it would be incredible. Not to mention the traffic on a server with thousands or millions of units. Though I don't want to end up like David.

[Comradejim]

  Get back on the real topic. See below

[Naltair]

Olueq wrote...

Legion does say:

``organics do not choose to fear us, it is a function of your hardware``
so they are aware the galaxy sees them as a threat and they believe they can make contact because they send Legion after shepard... but when he dies.. they just sort of give up... as well, why they didnt try sooner makes no sense.

I agree with you.

[jameshawking]

Tali from ME1 or ME2/3 in terms of aesthetic design?

[gamer_girl]

jameshawking wrote...

Tali from ME1 or ME2/3 in terms of aesthetic design?

No brainer - ME2/ME3
Her suit has more complexity and colour to it in those two. Also the rag on the top of her head isn't skin tight anymore which is a plus.

[Comradejim]

jameshawking wrote...

Tali from ME1 or ME2/3 in terms of aesthetic design?

Me2/3, found her suit just to...bland in Me1. Sides I like her little hoodie thing.

Modifié par Comradejim, 24 mars 2012 - 02:45 .

[Naltair]

ME2+ outfits are superior.

[Hypnotix0000]

jameshawking wrote...

Tali from ME1 or ME2/3 in terms of aesthetic design?

The first game had a good design, and I really like it, but the second game had to distinguish Tali from everyone else. But, I'm gonna say combat armor in ME3 is the best.<3