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[Lemur194]

Dating the savior of the citadel,  first spectre of his species, curer of the genophage, peace broker of the quarians and geth, collector killer, reaper killer, and leader of the biggest galactic alliance ever created?
Yeah, Rael'Zorah should be able to eventually get over the fact that Shepard is human since Tali is completely adapted to him now as well. If that's not enough then he has impossibly high standards for his daughter's suitors.

Modifié par Lemur194, 28 mars 2012 - 12:25 .

[knight5923]

Deoku wrote...

I want to mention this for a fun conversation. When Tali is drunk she mentions that her father would hate Shepard; assuming you romance her. So lets assume things played out differently and both were alive and had time to meet. Aside from not being a quarian himself Shepard has helped her with her pilgrimage, saved her on numerous occasions, kept her out of exile, united the quarians and the geth, is ultimatly responsible for helping get their planet back, and treats his daughter love and care, oh and saved the galaxy; you know nothing big.

So my question is how many of you actually thinks that he would hate Shepard? I do not believe that her father could hate a guy that's done all that for his daughter and his people. Unless being a quarian is the only thing that matters to him; it would be really hard to hate a guy like that dating your daughter. lol

Again I know this can't really happen, just bringing it up for a fun topic. There's no right or wrong answers just curious to hear others opinions on it.

Hard to say. I'm sure that, given all he's done, Rael would at least appreciate Shepard's efforts. On the other hand, he was studying Geth in a manner some might consider criminal, a race Shepard then turned around and made peace with. Now, that is obviously not specific evidence that Rael would have any kind of prejudice towards the Geth, but it may still be a bone of contention. Also, quarians are a fairly insular race with strong, interdependent ties. It's possible that, despite all he's done, Shepard may still be viewed as an outsider. I'm sure that Rael would be respectful and appreciative, but to go as far as to say "Hey, welcome to the family, Son!"
........... perhaps not.
An interesting point to ponder, though^_^

[Cheese of Borg]

Lemur194 wrote...

Dating the savior of the citadel,  first spectre of his species, curer of the genophage, peace broker of the quarians and geth, collector killer, reaper killer, and leader of the biggest galactic alliance ever created?
Yeah, Rael'Zorah should be able to eventually get over the fact that Shepard is human since Tali is completely adapted to him now as well. If that's not enough then he has impossibly high standards for his daughter's suitors.

She might have been saying that Rael would have highly disproved of her mating with a human.

[horsedragon]

Fenrisfil wrote...

Hey quarianHorse and welcome to the thread. We actually go over old ground a lot (so I've seen, and I've only been here a couple of weeks myself), but there is always somethign new to add. Plus no one is going to complain about anything (positive) Tali related.

It's incredibly hard to play through with any other LI once you've been with Tali, so I suggest checking Youtube if your curious. Some are better then others (spare some sympathy for FemSheps). Liara's is the longest as she has LI stuff going on from 1-3 (if you have the appropriate DLC for ME2), but Tali does have a particularly enganging romance. I would say the best, but I'm biased. The fact that you can't romance her in 1 but you can romance her as a squadmate in 2 and 3 means that your relationship with her progresses in parallel to her own development and that works rather well.

Thanks for the welcome!

I try not to use him/her or his/hers when I write about Shepard. Just Shepard. I've no interest in what anyone chooses for Shepard, or what orientation that might be. a) none of my business, and vive la différence.

As for other LIs: I think that BioWare put a lot of effort into pointing amourous Shepards toward Liara, no matter which gender. She most definitely appears strongly attracted to Shepard, and even provides him with an intimate shared-mind sequence near the end. She seems jealous at times, too. But, I look at that as good writing and another poignant quality to the story. It's Tali, and only Tali, for my Shepard. I'm not yet interested in playing through with a different LI, even if it is my 3rd ME3 playthough.

That said, I did play ME1 with Ashley. And while that seemed the way to go when I first played ME1, I found that I disliked her in ME2/ME3 anyway. ME2 allowed me to redeem myself by finally being able to choose Tali.

"And just for the record... it was totally worth it."

[Fenrisfil]

swordmalice wrote...

Curiously, I remember hearing pre-release that Tali wasn't intended to be a permanent squadmate in 3, how credible is this? Because they sure as hell gave her a great role in 3, which makes me wonder if the aforementioned rumor was false?

It's possible, but most likely it was just teasing her potential demise at the end of her story arc. I was so worried she wasn't perminent I did as many other missions that I could before finishing Rannoch. She was a bit of a tease with her talk of not staying on after, right up until you finish Rannoch and then she wants to come with you.

"and there was much rejoicing".

I did hear she wasn't going to be in ME2 originally, but her status as a fan favourite changed that (same for Garrus). By ME3 though, BW knew how important she was to a large number of players (not just those that romanced her either), so I doubt they ever seriously considered her not being a full crew member. Even if the bosh'tets did reduce her role by not letting her join until half way through the game!

[Lemur194]

Cheese of Borg wrote...

Lemur194 wrote...

Dating the savior of the citadel,  first spectre of his species, curer of the genophage, peace broker of the quarians and geth, collector killer, reaper killer, and leader of the biggest galactic alliance ever created?
Yeah, Rael'Zorah should be able to eventually get over the fact that Shepard is human since Tali is completely adapted to him now as well. If that's not enough then he has impossibly high standards for his daughter's suitors.

She might have been saying that Rael would have highly disproved of her mating with a human.

I see your point, and I probably don't plan to become a dad so I couldn't look at it from a parental perspective.  But this isn't just any human. I bet in time though Rael would accept Shepard, you couldn't ask for a better résumé. 

Modifié par Lemur194, 28 mars 2012 - 12:39 .

[Cheese of Borg]

Lemur194 wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

Lemur194 wrote...

Dating the savior of the citadel,  first spectre of his species, curer of the genophage, peace broker of the quarians and geth, collector killer, reaper killer, and leader of the biggest galactic alliance ever created?
Yeah, Rael'Zorah should be able to eventually get over the fact that Shepard is human since Tali is completely adapted to him now as well. If that's not enough then he has impossibly high standards for his daughter's suitors.

She might have been saying that Rael would have highly disproved of her mating with a human.

I see your point, and I'm too young to be a dad and probably don't plan to become one so I couldn't look at it from a parental perspective.  But this isn't just any human. I bet in time though Rael would accept Shepard, you couldn't ask for a better résumé. 

Well, quarians place a very high value on "doing your part for the continuation of the species"B)

During the fleet era, he would want Tali to be a parent.
After the quarians [make peace with the geth], Rael would want LOTS of grand children... something Shepard himself could never provide.

[GooseofSteel]

gamer_girl wrote...

Tali was drunk and was exaggerating for effect anyways. Obviously he wouldn't hate Shepard. He just isn't as comfortable with his daughter being with a human as he is with her being with a quarian.

This unit studies Latin...though we assume you could figure that out.

[iwillkillfortali]

GooseofSteel wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Tali was drunk and was exaggerating for effect anyways. Obviously he wouldn't hate Shepard. He just isn't as comfortable with his daughter being with a human as he is with her being with a quarian.

This unit studies Latin...though we assume you could figure that out.

Why learn the Roman lauguange Goose?

[Fenrisfil]

quarianHorse wrote...

Thanks for the welcome!

I try not to use him/her or his/hers when I write about Shepard. Just Shepard. I've no interest in what anyone chooses for Shepard, or what orientation that might be. a) none of my business, and vive la différence.

As for other LIs: I think that BioWare put a lot of effort into pointing amourous Shepards toward Liara, no matter which gender. She most definitely appears strongly attracted to Shepard, and even provides him with an intimate shared-mind sequence near the end. She seems jealous at times, too. But, I look at that as good writing and another poignant quality to the story. It's Tali, and only Tali, for my Shepard. I'm not yet interested in playing through with a different LI, even if it is my 3rd ME3 playthough.

That said, I did play ME1 with Ashley. And while that seemed the way to go when I first played ME1, I found that I disliked her in ME2/ME3 anyway. ME2 allowed me to redeem myself by finally being able to choose Tali.

"And just for the record... it was totally worth it."

I only mentioned the FemSheps because of the way two of their LI's are treated in ME3 (Jacob and Thane). Not that Miranda and Jack had an amazing ME3 romance, but at least they had something! When you can get a better rekindled romance from someone that didn't even grant the paramour achievement in ME2 (Kelly), you know you have problems. I suppose technically it's specifically Jacobmancers and Thanemancers that need the sympathy. FemSheps can have perfectly rewarding relationships. On the other hand they can't have Tali, so maybe I should take the "perfect" part out.

Anyway, yes it does seem Liara was BW's primary romance focus. She's a good character and can be romanced by anyone, so makes sense. I've never found her anywhere near as appealing as Tali and actually, she seems more alien to me. Despite the isolation and suit culture, Quarians and especially Tali come across as very human like in personality. Asari have that whole long life thing coupled with their more open sexuality, which seems to make them both very cautious and expressive at the same time. I can see people getting very mixed signals around Asari.

Liara herself always seems like such a workaholic, while Tali is driven, but knows how to have fun.

Edit: Oh yeah, I went with Liara in ME1. Never regretted changing to Tali, though I always feel sad early on in ME3 when she asks (again, because it came up in LOTSB too) to get back together and I say "I don't think it'd work anymore" and "I think it's better for both of us". I wish there was an option to say no without being such a jerk about it, but ah well. It's all about Tali.

Modifié par Fenrisfil, 28 mars 2012 - 12:55 .

[lomifeh]

Considering how Rael is described. I suspect he would not be happy with a human as her BF no matter who it is. He seemed kind of like a hardass.

[GooseofSteel]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

GooseofSteel wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Tali was drunk and was exaggerating for effect anyways. Obviously he wouldn't hate Shepard. He just isn't as comfortable with his daughter being with a human as he is with her being with a quarian.

This unit studies Latin...though we assume you could figure that out.

Why learn the Roman lauguange Goose?

We love the history and the culture surrounding the language.  We do not acknowledge those who question the language's state of being dead or alive.

We enjoy it, and we also are able to form consensus at a much higher rate by learning a language in which forms the base for many others.

Modifié par GooseofSteel, 28 mars 2012 - 12:57 .

[iwillkillfortali]

GooseofSteel wrote...

iwillkillfortali wrote...

GooseofSteel wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Tali was drunk and was exaggerating for effect anyways. Obviously he wouldn't hate Shepard. He just isn't as comfortable with his daughter being with a human as he is with her being with a quarian.

This unit studies Latin...though we assume you could figure that out.

Why learn the Roman lauguange Goose?

We love the history and the culture surrounding the language.  We do not acknowledge those who question the language's state of being dead or alive.

We enjoy it, and we also are able to form consensus at a much higher rate by learning a language in which forms the base for many others.

Well Goose I hope you enjoy this.
Also it was not bioware who made the photoshop face
IT WAS JAVIK

Modifié par iwillkillfortali, 28 mars 2012 - 12:58 .

[Fenrisfil]

iwillkillfortali wrote...

GooseofSteel wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Tali was drunk and was exaggerating for effect anyways. Obviously he wouldn't hate Shepard. He just isn't as comfortable with his daughter being with a human as he is with her being with a quarian.

This unit studies Latin...though we assume you could figure that out.

Why learn the Roman lauguange Goose?

There are many reasons to learn Latin, here's three:

1) To know what all those latin mottos on coats of arms mean (and to design your own one)
2) To know what the latin names for various animals/plants actually mean (and to name new ones)
3) To sound clever at the odd dinner party.

[Maderek]

lomifeh wrote...

Considering how Rael is described. I suspect he would not be happy with a human as her BF no matter who it is. He seemed kind of like a hardass.

Still, I kind of wish we got the chance to see how Rael would really feel about Shepard being with Tali.  Would be interesting.

Modifié par Maderek, 28 mars 2012 - 01:03 .

[Cro730]

It would be awkward at first, i'm sure. Over time he will accept it I guess.
He would have to, nothing can keep Tali and Shep apart!

[Cheese of Borg]

Maderek wrote...

lomifeh wrote...

Considering how Rael is described. I suspect he would not be happy with a human as her BF no matter who it is. He seemed kind of like a hardass.

Still, I kind of wish we got the chance to see how Rael would really feel about Shepard being with Tali.  Would be interesting.

I doubt he would approve of Tali chosing ANY human to be her mate.
Quarians place a very high value on "doing your part for the continuation of the species"[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/cool.png[/smilie]

During the fleet era, he would want Tali to be a parent.
After the quarians [make peace with the geth][smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie], Rael would have wanted LOTS of grand children... something Shepard himself could never provide.[smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie] 

[gamer_girl]

@Cro730 except Garrus

[AVPen]

Maderek wrote...

lomifeh wrote...

Considering how Rael is described. I suspect he would not be happy with a human as her BF no matter who it is. He seemed kind of like a hardass.

Still, I kind of wish we got the chance to see how Rael would really feel about Shepard being with Tali.  Would be interesting.

His letter to Shepard over Tali's transfer to the Normandy in ME2 wasn't good enough an indication? 

[iwillkillfortali]

gamer_girl wrote...

@Cro730 except Garrus

Not if he Died in S.M:devil:

[Cro730]

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I doubt he would approve of Tali chosing ANY human to be her mate.
Quarians place a very high value on "doing your part for the continuation of the species"

During the fleet era, he would want Tali to be a parent.
After the quarians [make peace with the geth], Rael would have wanted LOTS of grand children... something Shepard himself could never provide. 

Shepard could do his part for the Quarians by adopting some of the kids that are orphans from the war. He may not be able to have children with Tali, but he would still be helping the Quarian race by providing otherwise homeless children a caring and perfect environment.

Garrus is no match for Shepard and Tali

edit:

AVPen wrote...

His letter to Shepard over Tali's transfer to the Normandy in ME2 wasn't good enough an indication? 

what did that say?

Modifié par Cro730, 28 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[Deoku]

All these thoughts on the topic are interesting. I've seen some I haven't even considered at all, but they make sense as well. Maderek, I agree it would be a sight to see. Im pretty sure some funny dialogue would come from that encounter.

"What you're immune to the human?!"

Modifié par Deoku, 28 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[horsedragon]

Fenrisfil wrote...

I only mentioned the FemSheps because of the way two of their LI's are treated in ME3 (Jacob and Thane). Not that Miranda and Jack had an amazing ME3 romance, but at least they had something! When you can get a better rekindled romance from someone that didn't even grant the paramour achievement in ME2 (Kelly), you know you have problems. I suppose technically it's specifically Jacobmancers and Thanemancers that need the sympathy. FemSheps can have perfectly rewarding relationships. On the other hand they can't have Tali, so maybe I should take the "perfect" part out.

Anyway, yes it does seem Liara was BW's primary romance focus. She's a good character and can be romanced by anyone, so makes sense. I've never found her anywhere near as appealing as Tali and actually, she seems more alien to me. Despite the isolation and suit culture, Quarians and especially Tali come across as very human like in personality. Asari have that whole long life thing coupled with their more open sexuality, which seems to make them both very cautious and expressive at the same time. I can see people getting very mixed signals around Asari.

Liara herself always seems like such a workaholic, while Tali is driven, but knows how to have fun.

Edit: Oh yeah, I went with Liara in ME1. Never regretted changing to Tali, though I always feel sad early on in ME3 when she asks (again, because it came up in LOTSB too) to get back together and I say "I don't think it'd work anymore" and "I think it's better for both of us". I wish there was an option to say no without being such a jerk about it, but ah well. It's all about Tali.

Ah, I see your point. I've read about some player's dissatisfaction with the possibilities for Thane and Jacob. Some have expressed the same disappointment about Dr. Chakwa. It's understandable.

I think the reason I shied away from Liara was because of her longevity. I imagined Shepard growing old while she remained youthful in appearance. Not that that’s bad for Shepard particularly, but it seemed that it would all end with sadness. I guess I couldn’t work with that idea, even though it’s a perfectly OK literary perspective. Also, there was her ability to read into his mind, which I felt uncomfortable with. As you can see, I tend to think in the first person with the ME narrative.

End the end it could only be Tali, even though I knew there were other physical obstacles to overcome. It was definitely her personality that drew me to her almost right from that first meeting in the corridor in ME1. Love at first sight, I suppose, but not in Liara’s case. Also, Tali has an exotic air about her that’s quite different from Liara’s.

[electrosphere11]

Perhaps he would "respect" Shepard as Tali "respected" Miranda

[Cheese of Borg]

Cro730 wrote...

Cheese of Borg wrote...

I doubt he would approve of Tali chosing ANY human to be her mate.
Quarians place a very high value on "doing your part for the continuation of the species"

During the fleet era, he would want Tali to be a parent.
After the quarians [make peace with the geth], Rael would have wanted LOTS of grand children... something Shepard himself could never provide. 

Shepard could do his part for the Quarians by adopting some of the kids that are orphans from the war. He may not be able to have children with Tali, but he would still be helping the Quarian race by providing otherwise homeless children a caring and perfect environment.

Garrus is no match for Shepard and Tali

Or, they could get someone to donate "genetic materials"... Veetor'Nara mabey?  Kal'Reger died on Palaven.

Modifié par Cheese of Borg, 28 mars 2012 - 01:17 .