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[rozpocet1]

 I choose the "concentrate on sovereign" option on all of my walkthroughs. All my other decisions are paragon. I'm definitely NOT pro-human.

BUT...

I couldn't explain myself in ME2. Even Anderson said that I always put human interests before others. I had the chance to explain it to a reporter but with the renegade option only!

The ME1 endings were completely ignored in ME2. Am I the only one who's bothered by this?

What do you think will happen in ME3?

(There are so many posts on this forum. I hope this hasn't been mentioned in another post already.)

Thanks

[Khayness]

The ME1 endings weren't ignored, people react in different ways to you on the Citadel (the Turian gunshop clerk, the struck Asari gals, fish craving Krogans come to mind suddenly, not to mention the mainplot quests there).

[Raiil]

It's irritating, isn't it? My formerly paragon, now renagon canon Shepard could give a flying rat's ass about humanity in particular, she's in it to save the people she cares about, regardless of species. I am seriously hoping we can reflect that point of view in part three. As far as she's concerned, humans don't get a pass just because they're the same species; a dying drell and bitter ex-cop turian showed more concern for the plight of the disappearing colonists than the Alliance seemed to.


Pfft. Give us more intergalactic speech options, dammit!

[BinaryHelix101]

Khayness wrote...

The ME1 endings weren't ignored, people react in different ways to you on the Citadel (the Turian gunshop clerk, the struck Asari gals, fish craving Krogans come to mind suddenly, not to mention the mainplot quests there).

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

[Whatever42]

Well, first I think of ME1 and ME2 like two different starcraft campaigns: in ME1 you play for the forces of paragonhood (pro galactic integration and cooperation to greater ends) and in ME2 you play for the forces of renegadom (pro humanity standing alone and doing anything it need to survive). They two are naturally somewhat disjointed.

I think ME3 will be your decisions coming home to roost. Few ME1 decisions had serious consquences in ME2 and I think that was by design, yes. In ME3, we work for ourselves so I believe everyone will be more comfortable.

[Whatever42]

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

[rozpocet1]

What I meant was, that there's no difference between the human lead council with with the previous races and the human only council. It's okay how random people are reacting to Shepard on the Citadel but on a higher political level there should be a difference I think...

[Waltzingbear]

It bothered me; mostly because the paragon option with Al-Jilani plainly states that you did it to put humanity's interests ahead.

[The Elder King]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

You can get it with a new Alien Council and Anderson as a member of it. Just like the case of the Old Council with Udina, you can't meet them, but you can regain your status.

[MACharlie1]

Unfortunately, I don't think there really can be any difference between the two in terms of the populace. It was only you, Hackett, Joker and two squaddies - nobody knows what were you saying and why you said it. You let the council die - that is all that matters to them.

[rozpocet1]

I'm way too slow for this...

[rozpocet1]

hhh89 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

You can get it with a new Alien Council and Anderson as a member of it. Just like the case of the Old Council with Udina, you can't meet them, but you can regain your status.

So there IS an alien council in ME2?

Modifié par rozpocet1, 13 juin 2011 - 06:15 .

[The Elder King]

rozpocet1 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

You can get it with a new Alien Council and Anderson as a member of it. Just like the case of the Old Council with Udina, you can't meet them, but you can regain your status.

So there IS an alien council in ME2?

In the case you killed the council in ME? I think so. I don't remember well because I played that playthrough long time ago. In general, in my games the Council is always saved.

[Nightwriter]

Waltzingbear wrote...

It bothered me; mostly because the paragon option with Al-Jilani plainly states that you did it to put humanity's interests ahead.

Really? Ouch. Then it would seem it's not a problem of misconception in the greater populace. BioWare themselves sort of attached a pro-human agenda to any choice that does not involve saving the Council.

[Whatever42]

hhh89 wrote...

rozpocet1 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

You can get it with a new Alien Council and Anderson as a member of it. Just like the case of the Old Council with Udina, you can't meet them, but you can regain your status.

So there IS an alien council in ME2?

In the case you killed the council in ME? I think so. I don't remember well because I played that playthrough long time ago. In general, in my games the Council is always saved.

There can be an alien council, even if you let them die, yup. If you make paragon responses after the council dies then they rebuild it. Otherwise, its the human council. Like you, I always tend to save the council, though, so I've never really done it myself.

[rozpocet1]

The problem is that you never see them. It would make sense that the new alien councilors won't meet with Shepard but the human councilors should actually be grateful. That's why I'm thinking there's no difference.

[Lumikki]

Does it matter? Idea behind what they stands is what matters, not who's in the council.
Also been paragon, sometimes people think they are, when they aren't.

[T-0pel]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

rozpocet1 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

You can get it with a new Alien Council and Anderson as a member of it. Just like the case of the Old Council with Udina, you can't meet them, but you can regain your status.

So there IS an alien council in ME2?

In the case you killed the council in ME? I think so. I don't remember well because I played that playthrough long time ago. In general, in my games the Council is always saved.

There can be an alien council, even if you let them die, yup. If you make paragon responses after the council dies then they rebuild it. Otherwise, its the human council. Like you, I always tend to save the council, though, so I've never really done it myself.

What?! I let the council die, chose only renegade options and in my imported save there was still an alien council. I dont think there is a way to get the human only council

[T-0pel]

Yeah I just checked the wiki, there is no way to get the human only council even if u make that decesion it is ignored.

[Destroy Raiden_]

I didn't like how I couldn't explain myself either the council dying was not my intent when I choose to hold the fleet back. I did so because I figured if the council is not willing to sacrifice their safety then there maybe no council left to save. Though I was also working on the presumption that the council was on some sealed room within the Citadel and not outside in the battle which would've made more sense. Now that I know they decided to flee during the battle them dying makes sense if they only held up in some bunker inside the Citadel my theory would've or could've worked.

[Rheia]

I'm on a 'wait and see' side of things when it comes to this. The automatic assumption of pro-human motivation was a bit of a downer for me too. But as others have said, the media and galactic populace at large had no insight behind Shepard's motivations, only the result of her/his actions.

My first runthrough was the import of a mostly paragon character who chose 'concentrate on Sovereign option' because it seemed most strategically sound at the time. And well, Wrex commented so .

I remember landing on Omega for the very first time, listening all the news and thinking '...but, this wasn't how I envisioned it... this wasn't what I wanted!"

Though, regarding Al-Jilani, you could renegade 'bull-rush' her on her own show, speaking up that all those who died during the battle of the Citadel were soldiers giving up their life for others and didn't deserve reporters like her talking trash . It was very... satisfying.

And taking your spectre status back from Anderson is a lot more pleasant than from the council, I find. I prefer to throw it back in their faces in the games where they are alive, heh .

[Lumikki]

T-0pel wrote...

Yeah I just checked the wiki, there is no way to get the human only council even if u make that decesion it is ignored.

What you should ask from you self, what is council?

Now when you have answered to that, then you understand that human only council is paradox. Because council is presentation of all races and lead by one selected leader from every major races. So, how can anyone assume that council actually is concil, if it's lead by humans only?

It would be same as our real world United Nations could be lead by American's only. (bad example, but idea is there)
Or European Union would be lead by germans only. Think about it.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 juin 2011 - 07:08 .

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

rozpocet1 wrote...

 I choose the "concentrate on sovereign" option on all of my walkthroughs. All my other decisions are paragon. I'm definitely NOT pro-human.

BUT...

I couldn't explain myself in ME2. Even Anderson said that I always put human interests before others. I had the chance to explain it to a reporter but with the renegade option only!

The ME1 endings were completely ignored in ME2. Am I the only one who's bothered by this?

...


What I meant was, that there's no
difference between the human lead council with with the previous races
and the human only council. It's okay how random people are reacting to
Shepard on the Citadel but on a higher political level there should be
a difference I think...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Yes, this pissed me off.  It upset me so much that I decided to load my ME1 save and re-do the ending and save the council just so that I wouldn't end up with this anti-human sentiment and 100%-human council in ME2.

I was expecting something like the "new (alien) council with a human chairman at its head" that was mentioned  in the "council dies, paragon ending" of ME1.  Instead, all I got in ME2 was the "human council with a human chairman" that was mentioned in the "council dies, renegade ending".  Look the endings up if you don't believe me.  Bioware ignored the ending of ME1, for the most part.

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

BinaryHelix101 wrote...

I think he meant that he's pissed there's no difference between choosing "concentrate on Sovereign" and "let the council die"

Well, there are some differences - like being able to get your spectre status back.

Not exactly.  The only thing that makes the difference as far as getting your Spectre status back is Councilor Anderson.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 13 juin 2011 - 06:53 .

[Lumikki]

You can't meet council again after the incident, unless you did save them.

Modifié par Lumikki, 13 juin 2011 - 07:10 .

[Wulfram]

I don't mind that there's no real difference in outcome. After all, Shepard's motivations aren't really relevant - if the Alliance is determined to seize power then it will.

However, the Paragon response to Khalisa is truly, truly awful and makes me wish someone would punch Shepard in the face. And I would have appreciated the opportunity for an angry "It wasn't me who decided to stage a ****ing coup" when Anderson talks about the people thinking you'll always put humans first.