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[Khayness]

Warkupo wrote...

Look, the only reason they're saying that is because they want new gamers to know that they can basically jump in without having to invest extra time in the previous two titles.

But it's a lie.

It's a trillogy for God's sake. I didn't watch Return of the Jedi first either.

[Dr. rotinaj]

Eurhetemec wrote...

You are totally fired as marketing director!

Seriously though, do you see why they're not saying that? I really hope you do. Because if you can't see what a TERRIBLE idea it would be to say that, you shouldn't be allowed to comment on marketing at all. It's like a blind man commenting on the Mona Lisa.

I don't fully understand what you're saying. What I'm complaining about is that Bioware never makes up their mind regarding series continuity. One moment they're saying ME is so great and unique because you can import your saves and all your past decisions matter, then the next moment they say that everything before Mass Effect 3 isn't important.

[Warkupo]

Khayness wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Look, the only reason they're saying that is because they want new gamers to know that they can basically jump in without having to invest extra time in the previous two titles.

But it's a lie.

It's a trillogy for God's sake. I didn't watch Return of the Jedi first either.

Video Games in particular make a habit of trying to explain their prequel well enough that you don't need to necessarily go back and play the first installment unless you want too. It's not a lie at all. I don't understand your rational for thinking that it would be. 

[Warkupo]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

Eurhetemec wrote...

You are totally fired as marketing director!

Seriously though, do you see why they're not saying that? I really hope you do. Because if you can't see what a TERRIBLE idea it would be to say that, you shouldn't be allowed to comment on marketing at all. It's like a blind man commenting on the Mona Lisa.

I don't fully understand what you're saying. What I'm complaining about is that Bioware never makes up their mind regarding series continuity. One moment they're saying ME is so great and unique because you can import your saves and all your past decisions matter, then the next moment they say that everything before Mass Effect 3 isn't important.

You're thinking in extremes. Nowhere are they saying the crap that happened previous to ME3 isn't important. They're saying they will explain it to you so that you don't have to go back and play two other games if you were really just interested in ME3. That's not a bad thing. 

That doesn't stop importing your character from the previous games from being a beneficial thing either. The story we experience will likely be more fleshed out in ME3 coming from ME2, just as it was from ME2 coming from ME1.

[Khayness]

Warkupo wrote...

It's not a lie at all. I don't understand your rational for thinking that it would be.

You can't substitude a full-fledged game perfectly.

[VoidCabbage]

Warkupo wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Warkupo wrote...

Look, the only reason they're saying that is because they want new gamers to know that they can basically jump in without having to invest extra time in the previous two titles.

But it's a lie.

It's a trillogy for God's sake. I didn't watch Return of the Jedi first either.

Video Games in particular make a habit of trying to explain their prequel well enough that you don't need to necessarily go back and play the first installment unless you want too. It's not a lie at all. I don't understand your rational for thinking that it would be. 

Its hardly the best point for entering the series though... that part is a lie.

By that logic we might as well just go play an awesome shooter and then come back and have somebody sum up the story.

Ultimately I don't care. Its marketing, marketing sucks and its filled with sucky people. "they're just doing their jobs" is very true... though these people chose jobs that I happen to dislike the idea behind (getting people to buy their **** regardless of truth)

Still everything I've heard about mass effect sounds amazing I'm excited for it and some marketing dude isn't going to ruin that

EDIT: I think it is a fine point to enter the series. Bioware will do a good job getting people up to speed... and the gameplay and story will be fun for alot of people... Im just saying tha "Its the best place to start" is not true... actually wait.. Its subjective, it may be true for some... certainly not for others... making a declaritive statement about something that is subjective... this i have a problem with

Modifié par VoidCabbage, 13 juin 2011 - 08:21 .

[Dr. rotinaj]

Warkupo wrote...

You're thinking in extremes. Nowhere are they saying the crap that happened previous to ME3 isn't important. They're saying they will explain it to you so that you don't have to go back and play two other games if you were really just interested in ME3. That's not a bad thing. 

That doesn't stop importing your character from the previous games from being a beneficial thing either. The story we experience will likely be more fleshed out in ME3 coming from ME2, just as it was from ME2 coming from ME1.

You're right. It's just the way Silverman put that worried me.

[ramnozack]

Savber100 wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

I don't know anything about marketing but wouldn't they WANT to sell more copies of the first two games?

A newcomer's interest will be significantly diminished for ME3 if he's told that he won't get it or appreciate ME3 if he hadn't played ME and ME2. He'll lose interest since who wants to spend an EXTRA $40 for the previous games just to enjoy ME3? It's a hefty financial risk for the individual and one that they might not want to take. 

So Bioware decides to get them suckered in with the best ME game (I hope) and hopefully they'll then buy the previous two to enjoy it even more. 

Unless the player is absolutely dumb they wont buy a STORY ORIENTED game that is the last 1 in its series without playing the last 2. If they do buy it without playing the last 2 games they are just making the experience worse for themselves. Imagine playing ME3 without playin ME1 or 2. Shep is in a trial. u go "wtf am i doing here..?" reaper legs comes crashing down through ceiling "wth is that!?!?!" some black guy called anderson who acts like hes known u all his life tells you to follow him as you kill techno zombies. Then u see this ship called normandy and say wow cool ship wonder who's it is...? then it turn out its yours the first thing u see is a screenful of ash's boobs and wonder who the hell she is.

You get the idea. If you dont play the last 2 games the third game will be very confusing and not very enjoyable IMO.

[kaiki01]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

Khayness wrote...

Much much less awesome PR one liners.

Bioware's target audience is the kind that is impressed by these PR lines. I understand where people are coming from when they complain about Bioware's "button-awesome" lines but hating on Silverman is totally unfair.

But why was he chosen? what is so unique about him compared to other people?

I am 99% sure he is friends/relative with someone high in EA.

[Warkupo]

ramnozack wrote...

Unless the player is absolutely dumb they wont buy a STORY ORIENTED game that is the last 1 in its series without playing the last 2. If they do buy it without playing the last 2 games they are just making the experience worse for themselves. Imagine playing ME3 without playin ME1 or 2. Shep is in a trial. u go "wtf am i doing here..?" reaper legs comes crashing down through ceiling "wth is that!?!?!" some black guy called anderson who acts like hes known u all his life tells you to follow him as you kill techno zombies. Then u see this ship called normandy and say wow cool ship wonder who's it is...? then it turn out its yours the first thing u see is a screenful of ash's boobs and wonder who the hell she is.

You get the idea. If you dont play the last 2 games the third game will be very confusing and not very enjoyable IMO.

And this is why you aren't writing the story. 

Modifié par Warkupo, 13 juin 2011 - 08:27 .

[Kai Hohiro]

Geez, it's a marketing guy(who doesn't work on the game), giving marketing speech, no reason to get your panties in a bunch.

And you posting on these forums are obviously not this guys target audience, because it's already 90% given that just by posting here you are going to buy the game. This guys job is to make sure that the people who aren't posting here will buy the game.

[Warkupo]

VoidCabbage wrote...

Its hardly the best point for entering the series though... that part is a lie.

By that logic we might as well just go play an awesome shooter and then come back and have somebody sum up the story.

Ultimately I don't care. Its marketing, marketing sucks and its filled with sucky people. "they're just doing their jobs" is very true... though these people chose jobs that I happen to dislike the idea behind (getting people to buy their **** regardless of truth)

Still everything I've heard about mass effect sounds amazing I'm excited for it and some marketing dude isn't going to ruin that

EDIT: I think it is a fine point to enter the series. Bioware will do a good job getting people up to speed... and the gameplay and story will be fun for alot of people... Im just saying tha "Its the best place to start" is not true... actually wait.. Its subjective, it may be true for some... certainly not for others... making a declaritive statement about something that is subjective... this i have a problem with

A subjective statement cannot be a lie, and thus it cannot be declarative. A declarative statement must be either true or false. Opinions can be neither. 

His statement is likely meant to convey the idea that ME3 is going to be the best game in the series. Naturally you would want to play the best game in the series. Therefore, now would be the best time to jump in. 

In his opinion, anyway. 

Modifié par Warkupo, 13 juin 2011 - 08:30 .

[xSTONEYx187x]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

"If you've never played the game before, this is probably the best entry point in the whole series".

"You really don't need to know a lot of the backstory from the previous games."

This, it doesn't make sense to enter a trilogy at the end. Bioware always praised the continuity of ME because it was made as a trilogy, now the say the games are "stand-alone adventures"it's ridiculous.

They could at least say "We'll have a "previous on Mass Effect" to bring people up to date, so if you're new to the franchise, you'll know exactly what's going on" 

Not "This is the best entry point" 

[VoidCabbage]

Warkupo wrote...

VoidCabbage wrote...

Its hardly the best point for entering the series though... that part is a lie.

By that logic we might as well just go play an awesome shooter and then come back and have somebody sum up the story.

Ultimately I don't care. Its marketing, marketing sucks and its filled with sucky people. "they're just doing their jobs" is very true... though these people chose jobs that I happen to dislike the idea behind (getting people to buy their **** regardless of truth)

Still everything I've heard about mass effect sounds amazing I'm excited for it and some marketing dude isn't going to ruin that

EDIT: I think it is a fine point to enter the series. Bioware will do a good job getting people up to speed... and the gameplay and story will be fun for alot of people... Im just saying tha "Its the best place to start" is not true... actually wait.. Its subjective, it may be true for some... certainly not for others... making a declaritive statement about something that is subjective... this i have a problem with

A subjective statement cannot be a lie, and thus it cannot be declarative. A declarative statement must be either true or false. Opinions can be neither. 

His statement is likely meant to convey the idea that ME3 is going to be the best game in the series. Naturally you would want to play the best game in the series. Therefore, now would be the best time to jump in. 

In his opinion, anyway. 

Which is what my edit was about.

He's stating his opinion as fact. Which is fine when its just a casual conversation.... but when you are a paid repersentative telling potential consumers that the game is the best place to start... I take issue with that.

Ultimately his opinion shouldnt even come into it... he's the marketing director and I could care less if he wants to say its the best ever, clearly he's going to say that... he should be focusing on objectively true things like the gameplay.

[shinobi602]

thatguy212 wrote...

shinobi602 wrote...

"If you've never played the game before, this is probably the best entry point in the whole series".

"You really don't need to know a lot of the backstory from the previous games."

*snip*

What do you people think he's going to say? "Buy all three games or you won't understand anything", because that totally doesn't sound like a money grab or terrible marketing at all

Hyperbole much? Instead of being one of two extremes, how about a middle road? Like: "Mass Effect 3 is best enjoyed by continuing your own personal Shepard into the game, it creates a connection with your character by incorporating all those choices in the previous games. ME3 however can be enjoyed without playing the first 2 games, we bring you up to speed so you're not lost."

You know, something simple like that.