Reapers are psychopathic sentient constructs that believe that killing things is saving them from destruction.. it's controversal and utterly retarded.
"we are your salvation through destruction" ?
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#52
Posté 20 juin 2011 - 02:17
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azerSheppard wrote...
WTF are you going on about? That doesn't make any ****ing sense, do you even know what dark energy is? (well noone really knows), theoretically dark energy only interacts through gravity.
No, I don't know what Dark Energy is. No one player does, other than a vague comment about how Mass Effect fields manipulate and control it, and a few other things, in the codexes.
But anyway, one of the popular theories is that the Reapers are fueled by Dark Energy, and the reason they funnel people through the tech the way they do is so they create a lot of it for them to 'eat'. And hey, if they are fueled by it, some way to disrupt the system might work to power down a Reaper temporarily.
Makes as much sense as most stuff. ME is good about feeling hard scifi even when it's not -- or at least completist, but it really does hinge on an absolute McGuffin.
#53
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 03:28
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ME-ParaShep wrote...
Reapers are psychopathic sentient constructs that believe that killing things is saving them from destruction.. it's controversal and utterly retarded.
oh come on give them more credit than that.
#54
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 03:30
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Whatever it means it surely is a bit of an awkward line
#55
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 04:14
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It could just mean that the reapers will preserve the best parts of humanity (aka the parts the reapers want) in a shiny new reaper that will last forever. Or it could be something deeper involving humanities doom if that didn't happen.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 08:53
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I have to disagree that hive minds are better (well vs the reapers), Harbinger or Soverign says that it is much easier to control the Geth due to the fact they are a hive mind. They were also able to control the Rachni due to the fact that they were a hive mind.Medhia Nox wrote...
I'm not sure I agree with the statement myself.
Hive species are insanely successful and I believe I could make a very valid argument stating that individuality is actually an evolutionary setback. Think of how successful a sapient race (and we're the only examples we currently know of) might be if they shared a common goal without dissent?
It's also interesting that religions tend to suggest that it is best to destroy the ego, and only through the destruction of ego can you obtain the truest enlightenment. It's far more complex than that (and most critics say that it's just a form of control) - but this is a gaming thread and I doubt anyone's that interested.
Still - it's a great topic, and the success of individuality is ultimately what the core audience would want.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 09:02
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Oh god that kinda does sound like a reference to a greater threat. Oh I know the super-reapers that go universe to universe wiping out life instead of galaxy to galaxy!DCarter wrote...
Factor in the fact that the reapers most likely had a creator since they're synthetics and it's quite possible that line was a hint at a greater threat than the reapers.
#59
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 10:09
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The nice thing about this is that you can cook up so many theories behind the Reapers.
Astronomers have fairly recently observed that our galaxy does not spin, rotate as their model predicted. They corrected their model by adding a variable to it called "dark matter".
It is called "dark" matter because we can't see/observe it, be it visually or through infrared, radio waves or even gamma rays.
Now this new model can be used to more or less accurate depict the rotational motion of our own galaxy.
Even more recently astronomers noticed that the prevalent theory of our universe collapsing under it's own weight, gravity, called the Big Crunch was incorrect.
The universe as we know it today is expanding. And the rate of expansion is increasing. This would eventually result in the Big Rip where all matter would essentially be ripped apart.
This again could not be explained by the model they had at the time, so they added another variable called "dark energy" which counteracts the effects of gravity. Again "dark" because we cannot observe it directly, but it has to be there since we can observe the effects of the "dark energy".
The above, I think, is the premise behind the Mass Effect setting made by Bioware.
In the ME setting, the use of this mysterious "Element Zero" is apparently responsible for the Dark Energy creation and it's effect.
Suppose for a minute that the Reapers are a result of a civilization long, long ago that realized that the Universe was finite and ending and decided to rectify that, permanently.
Don't use Element Zero at all? -Results in the Big Crunch which collapses the universe into a single singularity.
Uncontrolled Element Zero use? -Results in the Big Rip which dilutes the universe into a practically infinite void with all matter ripped into subatomic particles.
And you need to realize that a Big Rip or a Big Crunch affects more then just our galaxy; it affects the entire universe which contains billions of other galaxies.
Reapers pop in every 50000 years, spend up to 1000 years mopping things up - pruning their garden, and spend the remaining time in hibernation creating next to no dark energy.
If the Reapers didn't do all this you'd have organics undergoing geometric growth (think Krogan) for those 50000 years with the associated massive increase in Eezo use and dark energy creation.
Reapers are there to keep our galaxy, The Milky Way, in check. By balancing the mass effect.
But of course it's just a theory. Conjecture.
Astronomers have fairly recently observed that our galaxy does not spin, rotate as their model predicted. They corrected their model by adding a variable to it called "dark matter".
It is called "dark" matter because we can't see/observe it, be it visually or through infrared, radio waves or even gamma rays.
Now this new model can be used to more or less accurate depict the rotational motion of our own galaxy.
Even more recently astronomers noticed that the prevalent theory of our universe collapsing under it's own weight, gravity, called the Big Crunch was incorrect.
The universe as we know it today is expanding. And the rate of expansion is increasing. This would eventually result in the Big Rip where all matter would essentially be ripped apart.
This again could not be explained by the model they had at the time, so they added another variable called "dark energy" which counteracts the effects of gravity. Again "dark" because we cannot observe it directly, but it has to be there since we can observe the effects of the "dark energy".
The above, I think, is the premise behind the Mass Effect setting made by Bioware.
In the ME setting, the use of this mysterious "Element Zero" is apparently responsible for the Dark Energy creation and it's effect.
Suppose for a minute that the Reapers are a result of a civilization long, long ago that realized that the Universe was finite and ending and decided to rectify that, permanently.
Don't use Element Zero at all? -Results in the Big Crunch which collapses the universe into a single singularity.
Uncontrolled Element Zero use? -Results in the Big Rip which dilutes the universe into a practically infinite void with all matter ripped into subatomic particles.
And you need to realize that a Big Rip or a Big Crunch affects more then just our galaxy; it affects the entire universe which contains billions of other galaxies.
Reapers pop in every 50000 years, spend up to 1000 years mopping things up - pruning their garden, and spend the remaining time in hibernation creating next to no dark energy.
If the Reapers didn't do all this you'd have organics undergoing geometric growth (think Krogan) for those 50000 years with the associated massive increase in Eezo use and dark energy creation.
Reapers are there to keep our galaxy, The Milky Way, in check. By balancing the mass effect.
But of course it's just a theory. Conjecture.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 12:25
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hwf wrote...
The nice thing about this is that you can cook up so many theories behind the Reapers.
Astronomers have fairly recently observed that our galaxy does not spin, rotate as their model predicted. They corrected their model by adding a variable to it called "dark matter".
It is called "dark" matter because we can't see/observe it, be it visually or through infrared, radio waves or even gamma rays.
Now this new model can be used to more or less accurate depict the rotational motion of our own galaxy.
Even more recently astronomers noticed that the prevalent theory of our universe collapsing under it's own weight, gravity, called the Big Crunch was incorrect.
The universe as we know it today is expanding. And the rate of expansion is increasing. This would eventually result in the Big Rip where all matter would essentially be ripped apart.
This again could not be explained by the model they had at the time, so they added another variable called "dark energy" which counteracts the effects of gravity. Again "dark" because we cannot observe it directly, but it has to be there since we can observe the effects of the "dark energy".
The above, I think, is the premise behind the Mass Effect setting made by Bioware.
In the ME setting, the use of this mysterious "Element Zero" is apparently responsible for the Dark Energy creation and it's effect.
Suppose for a minute that the Reapers are a result of a civilization long, long ago that realized that the Universe was finite and ending and decided to rectify that, permanently.
Don't use Element Zero at all? -Results in the Big Crunch which collapses the universe into a single singularity.
Uncontrolled Element Zero use? -Results in the Big Rip which dilutes the universe into a practically infinite void with all matter ripped into subatomic particles.
And you need to realize that a Big Rip or a Big Crunch affects more then just our galaxy; it affects the entire universe which contains billions of other galaxies.
Reapers pop in every 50000 years, spend up to 1000 years mopping things up - pruning their garden, and spend the remaining time in hibernation creating next to no dark energy.
If the Reapers didn't do all this you'd have organics undergoing geometric growth (think Krogan) for those 50000 years with the associated massive increase in Eezo use and dark energy creation.
Reapers are there to keep our galaxy, The Milky Way, in check. By balancing the mass effect.
But of course it's just a theory. Conjecture.
Basically, something like this. Reapers are probably looking at the big picture and trying to protect life and the universe against high entropy.
#61
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 12:44
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hwf wrote...
That, or there's a greater evil that the Reapers have always kept at bay by culling organics every once in a while.
This - would make for a good "plot twist", having them do it just because would be cool as well though!
I´ll let BioWare surprise me, don´t want to think too much about this...
But if it really is for the "greater good", and TIM gets to know it, that may be the reason why Cerberus hunts us down.
Anyway, let´s wait and see =)
#62
Posté 22 juin 2011 - 07:42
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hwf wrote...
The nice thing about this is that you can cook up so many theories behind the Reapers.
Astronomers have fairly recently observed that our galaxy does not spin, rotate as their model predicted. They corrected their model by adding a variable to it called "dark matter".
It is called "dark" matter because we can't see/observe it, be it visually or through infrared, radio waves or even gamma rays.
Now this new model can be used to more or less accurate depict the rotational motion of our own galaxy.
Even more recently astronomers noticed that the prevalent theory of our universe collapsing under it's own weight, gravity, called the Big Crunch was incorrect.
The universe as we know it today is expanding. And the rate of expansion is increasing. This would eventually result in the Big Rip where all matter would essentially be ripped apart.
This again could not be explained by the model they had at the time, so they added another variable called "dark energy" which counteracts the effects of gravity. Again "dark" because we cannot observe it directly, but it has to be there since we can observe the effects of the "dark energy".
The above, I think, is the premise behind the Mass Effect setting made by Bioware.
In the ME setting, the use of this mysterious "Element Zero" is apparently responsible for the Dark Energy creation and it's effect.
Suppose for a minute that the Reapers are a result of a civilization long, long ago that realized that the Universe was finite and ending and decided to rectify that, permanently.
Don't use Element Zero at all? -Results in the Big Crunch which collapses the universe into a single singularity.
Uncontrolled Element Zero use? -Results in the Big Rip which dilutes the universe into a practically infinite void with all matter ripped into subatomic particles.
And you need to realize that a Big Rip or a Big Crunch affects more then just our galaxy; it affects the entire universe which contains billions of other galaxies.
Reapers pop in every 50000 years, spend up to 1000 years mopping things up - pruning their garden, and spend the remaining time in hibernation creating next to no dark energy.
If the Reapers didn't do all this you'd have organics undergoing geometric growth (think Krogan) for those 50000 years with the associated massive increase in Eezo use and dark energy creation.
Reapers are there to keep our galaxy, The Milky Way, in check. By balancing the mass effect.
But of course it's just a theory. Conjecture.
would be very interesting, actually. Reapers are basically keeping the balance and saving the universe.
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Posté 22 juin 2011 - 07:47
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ME-ParaShep wrote...
Reapers are psychopathic sentient constructs that believe that using a race to create another reaper is saving them from destruction.. it's controversal and utterly retarded.
Fixed.
