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[wildannie]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I had a dream last night that Thane was starting to get bad and he couldn't join Shepard. Something went wrong with the mission and he helped straighten it out, but only hurt himself in the end. If he is only a temporary squad mate and the reason is because he can't really physically help Shepard anymore, so he remains with the hanar scientist for treatment, would you guys be okay with that?

I think Bioware is doing a balancing act. They put too many characters in that they have to take care of now. I think a situation like what I had in my dream would be a good explanation to why he doesn't join. Bonus points if he sends Shepard sweet little emails throughout the rest of the game.

I'd be okay with that scenario if it was a real treatment rather than palliative care to see him through to the end. 
I'm not really going to be that happy (read I'll be gutted) unless he's cured or at least given treatment that makes the condition chronic rather than terminal.  
While it would be okay to leave him to get treatment, I would be very disappointed if he couldn't be visited and would hope that he would re-join Shepard on the normandy at a later point in the game (not just the final battle).

edited for clarity

Modifié par wildannie, 24 octobre 2011 - 07:53 .

[Lucky Thirteen]

JECWSU wrote...
 I have said I am not happy with just having him for one mission and not seeing him until the end while everyone else gets to be with their LI.  I wouldn't be happy with that at all.

I'm imagineing most of the LI will get the same treatment, I think everyone will get a mission/be cycled out for another character to move in. Except maybe one or two favorites. As Bioware keeps saying, it's a war, things happen.

[hanar05]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I had a dream last night that Thane was starting to get bad and he couldn't join Shepard. Something went wrong with the mission and he helped straighten it out, but only hurt himself in the end. If he is only a temporary squad mate and the reason is because he can't really physically help Shepard anymore, so he remains with the hanar scientist for treatment, would you guys be okay with that?

I think Bioware is doing a balancing act. They put too many characters in that they have to take care of now. I think a situation like what I had in my dream would be a good explanation to why he doesn't join. Bonus points if he sends Shepard sweet little emails throughout the rest of the game.

That, in some way, is what I'm expecting LT.
A situation in that he leaves the team to receive treatment.
I have a sneaking suspicion it won't be that simple, though. Like perhaps you choose whether or not he should take the treatment. He more or less has given the rest of his life to Shepard, so what happens might be up to us.

There might be a choice where we can decide between keeping him on the team (and risk shortening his life) or leave him behind to recieve treatment so he can rejoin Shepard later. How much later, maybe we won't be aware at the time.

This is just my mind trying to find solutions though, I have no idea what will happen!

[disconnect7]

I've heard speculation that Thane's morality will be based on Shepard's choice. I suppose that would somewhat appease the people who are against a "cure" for Thane. I don't see why those people insist on Thane's death, but that's their opinion. He's an amazing love interest and partner for Shepard, and Bioware probably had a plan for him from the start. Why tease Shepard with such an amazing LI, only to take him away after game 2? Thane has potential for so much more character development, I'm excited to see how Bioware continues his story. It's bittersweet, since it seems likely he won't be a permanent squad member for us. I'm going to miss having him on my team, I loved having him along with my Shep and he was a useful squad member. Just seeing him standing there next to my Shepard made me feel the bond between them, and I felt they complimented each other so well.

[hanar05]

Well we missed out on having Thane as a squadmate for the first act of ME2. You had to do at least 9 missions before you could have him on your team. So it's not like he was always on your squad in that game either.
Even if he isn't permanent in ME3, there is still a possibility he will have a bigger role.

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...
I am making a story of Thane and my Shepard Nami on fanfiction. And I might just use the idea of yours, if you approve :happy:.

Sure! You can use it

[disconnect7]

Thane is able to steal the spotlight without ever trying, he's just that awesome. Style and swagger!

True, we don't get Thane until mid-way through ME2, but he was still a permanent squad member from there on out. Only Miranda and Jacob are available from the beginning of the game, so we have to settle with what we can get before receiving Thane's dossier. The prospect of only having Thane for one or two missions in ME3 doesn't thrill me, but that's just how it goes. It's not my game and Bioware can't please everyone. Hopefully we at least get some hefty dialogue with our Drell.

[Lucky Thirteen]

No, I think it's far from jealousy.

I think people forget he is a love interest and is handmade for fan service for the female fan base. They just threw in stuff that would make him appeal to the male part at least. I think from the perspective of a lot of people that don't romance him, largely male, they believe he is a fantastic character but his story is now complete to them. Which is true to them. They easily forget the part that he's a romance and if someone is romancing him his story is incomplete. So he can't just disappear/die in between ME2 and ME3.

If Bioware did the same thing to let's say, Tali, she gets deathly sick from sleeping with Shepard (which is highly likely mind you) and dies as a result in between ME2 and ME3, the forums would burn. But Bioware won't dare do that even though realistically according to the lore, Tali should get really, really sick and potentially die, because I doubt Shepard will take all the precautions every single time before sleeping with her. It doesn't even look like any precautions are even taken the first time and she manages to get off with just the sniffles.

The game is filled with a lot of fan service. People just don't always agree on what is good fan service and what is bad based on their favorite characters who are doing the fan servicing.

[Lucky Thirteen]

Actually, I liked Jacob and as much as I would like to have had Thane sooner, I wouldn't want him to replace Jacob let alone lose Thane's awesome entrance that is in there now.

Shudder all you want, but I wouldn't change a thing about Jacob.

Modifié par Lucky Thirteen, 25 octobre 2011 - 03:56 .

[Fiery Phoenix]

LT speaks the truth again, That is precisely why we're seeing what we're seeing. It's not jealously; it's not hate. Just a feeling that they're done with Thane, which really seems to be the case if you're a male Shepard and don't romance him. Hell, some of them aren't even aware Thane is a love interest to begin with.

[JECWSU]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

I am making a story of Thane and my Shepard Nami on fanfiction. And I might just use the idea of yours, if you approve :happy:.
But I would be happy to see your idea for Thane.

I thought I saw your story posted. I didn't get a chance to read it, and when I went back it was gone.

When you continue I would love to finish reading it.

[JECWSU]

Some people just don't really understand him, and to be honest I don't think they want to. If you don't like him then you don't like him, but some of the excuses people give make no sense at all.

Some of the things people say about him are just plain silly. I read someone say that Thane had the worst romance, and they thought he was a sociopath. That definition of Thane couldn't be further from the truth.

[wildannie]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

LT speaks the truth again, That is precisely why we're seeing what we're seeing. It's not jealously; it's not hate. Just a feeling that they're done with Thane, which really seems to be the case if you're a male Shepard and don't romance him. Hell, some of them aren't even aware Thane is a love interest to begin with.

yes, and often the most they want to see of him is his glorious death.  Fortunately I don't think that Bioware fanservice will be focusing on that section of the Thane fandom

The information you found out about Invictus gives me quite alot of hope for a positive outcome.  
It really does seem that the hidden message from the name must be effective treatment or cure, if it's death it's a very poorly chosen name.  The length and relative detail in the planet description compared to most planets strongly suggests to me that this mission was planned from the development of ME2.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

A lot of people are fans of Thane, and it helps that in combat (certainly in my experience,) along with Miranda, he is definately the most useful.

But they simply think that his character arc will end with his death, they think that going out in flames should be the end for him. But we know that if you take the romance path, that Thane just isn't done with his life yet. I would be surprised if people who play manshep or don't do his romance arc are actively wanting Thane to survive throughout ME3 and find some way to have him live longer.

[JECWSU]

wildannie wrote...

yes, and often the most they want to see of him is his glorious death.  Fortunately I don't think that Bioware fanservice will be focusing on that section of the Thane fandom

I honestly don't think that the majority of the people who want his death are even fans. Some might be, but from what I've seen most are not.
 
Bioware hopefuly will not listen to a small minority of people who want him to die. His death could be one of the outcomes depending on what you did in ME2. I just hope it's not the only one.

[ByTheCode]

I came in very late to the conversation, so I'll just say this.

Lucky Thirteen wrote...





edit: also, Thane army

That second picture is my absolute FAVORITE. 

[Lucky Thirteen]

 

JECWSU
wrote...

wildannie wrote...



yes, and often the most they want to see of him is
his glorious death.  Fortunately I don't think that Bioware fanservice
will be focusing on that section of the Thane fandom

I honestly don't think that the majority of the people who want his death are even fans. Some might be, but from what I've seen most are not.

Bioware hopefuly will not listen to a small minority of people who want him to die. His death could be one of the outcomes depending on what you did in ME2. I just hope it's not the only one.

I think for a lot of people, they just want the reality of having something terminal be terminal. Which I understand fully. If there is no cure and Thane dies, I will be sad but I will not be enraged at Bioware for making that outcome happen. Cause yeah, realism. Fairy tales are overrated.

Yeah there are some people who just hate Thane and want to see him dead, to which I tell these people kill him off in the SM and you don't have to deal with him ME3 at all.  A few people I told this to, they argued their Shepard would never let anyone die on the SM. They much rather not have that hanging on their Shepards head and want Thane do die from his condition.

There are people who praise him as a great character, love him, but would like to see his ending be death because they believe his story is done. Though the more I think about it, he has a lot of patching up to do with his son before he goes. As I recall, Thane was struggling but trying to commnicate with Kolyat. But I guess you can't have an action pack mission with that and people assume Thane will figure it out between games.

And let me just clarify myself a little bit. Yeah the majority of the fans that think this way are male and can't romance him, but let's not say there are no males that are fans of Thane. I really don't like the idea of the romances being the only way a character can shine. These characters needs to be able to stand on their own without romance involved. I believe Thane does that pretty well and it's why he's won a best character award and nominated for it on other award stuff.

I think there are really stubborn people who do no bother to even talk to him and make a judgement on him in anyway possibly to make him look bad so they don't have to consider him. I actually had a friend stop talking to me because she prefered Kaidan. They do that with most of the characters that aren't their favorite. Find ways to trash and lower the other characters to garbage compared to their fav.

I want you guys and gals think about when you say you don't like when other fans do that to Thane, you don't like when fans don't give him a chance and just go straight to trash talking and saying he's the worst romance. Then you need to realize you need to not do it yourselves. That's why this whole fan base is screwed up, no one gets along cause everyone holds their fav characters on such high pedestals and want to trash the other characters and fans for not liking their fav characters.

[JECWSU]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...

I want you guys and gals think about when you say you don't like when other fans do that to Thane, you don't like when fans don't give him a chance and just go straight to trash talking and saying he's the worst romance. Then you need to realize you need to not do it yourselves. That's why this whole fan base is screwed up, no one gets along cause everyone holds their fav characters on such high pedestals and want to trash the other characters and fans for not liking their fav characters.

I think that this thread is one of the nicest. I don't think we bash other characters in here. Sure there are some characters we don't like, but we rearely ever talk about anyone but Thane. I don't remember anyone here talking bad about another character. I have read some pretty bad things about other characters in other threads, but not this one. There are some threads that do nothing but bash other characters. Most of the people who don't who trash Thane didn't even really talk to him. They don't know anything about him. They usually get half the information wrong, and they focus on nothing but the fact that he is dying. That's all they see. You really can't change their minds so I don't even try.

I do agree with what you said about these borards, but I haven't really seen any of that in here.

[Shepenwepet]

Lucky Thirteen wrote...



I think for a lot of people, they just want the reality of having something terminal be terminal. Which I understand fully. If there is no cure and Thane dies, I will be sad but I will not be enraged at Bioware for making that outcome happen. Cause yeah, realism. Fairy tales are overrated.

As do I, I have no issue with this. But, like many if not all of us here, I choose to see Thane's situation as one of hope and possibility rather than all this doom and gloom. I hate using the "don't look for realism in Science Fiction" argument, even though it's valid, to me it's just a weak Get Out of Jail Free card.

Yeah there are some people who just hate Thane and want to see him dead, to which I tell these people kill him off in the SM and you don't have to deal with him ME3 at all. A few people I told this to, they argued their Shepard would never let anyone die on the SM. They much rather not have that hanging on their Shepards head and want Thane do die from his condition.

If I didn't like Thane, I still wouldn't kill him on the SM either. I'm one of those people who can't intentionally make mistakes. Which is why I'm slightly against the "everyone survives" ending. Once I realize this is possible, all suspense fades. But that's a discussion for another thread.

I think there are really stubborn people who do no bother to even talk to him and make a judgement on him in anyway possibly to make him look bad so they don't have to consider him. I actually had a friend stop talking to me because she prefered Kaidan. They do that with most of the characters that aren't their favorite. Find ways to trash and lower the other characters to garbage compared to their fav.

Wow. That's... there are no words...

I want you guys and gals think about when you say you don't like when other fans do that to Thane, you don't like when fans don't give him a chance and just go straight to trash talking and saying he's the worst romance. Then you need to realize you need to not do it yourselves. That's why this whole fan base is screwed up, no one gets along cause everyone holds their fav characters on such high pedestals and want to trash the other characters and fans for not liking their fav characters.

I've never understood the need for trash-talk. The whole "mine's better than yours" angle is fine when you're about six years old, or if you choose to portray yourself as six years old, but beyond that, come on. If you have legitimate reasons for not liking a character, that's fine. Some people hate Thane because they think his morals and beliefs are a load of crock and he's just shirking responsibility for his killing. Fine. Some people hate Thane because "he's lame." Not fine. Same with any other character. Poor Jacob seems to be a punching bag around this forum, for no good reason. Maybe people just want to fit in so they put Jacob down, I dunno. It's not his fault that he's normal.

Modifié par Shepenwepet, 25 octobre 2011 - 04:21 .

[jtav]

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

[JECWSU]

jtav wrote...

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

When did we say you were not welcome in here? I have no problem those Thane fans who want to see him die from his illness. I would prefer if it wasn't the only choice though. I do have a problem when it comes from someone who clearly isn't a fan, and just wants him dead to make room for their favorite or just because they hate him.

I certainly have no problem with you want to ship him somewhere else. Where would you like to ship him?

Modifié par JECWSU, 25 octobre 2011 - 04:34 .