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[Cosmochyck]

jtav wrote...

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

I don't find that to be true, it's just some of us REALLY want Thane to live, and it becomes hard to imagine Bioware "killing" him (I of course mean letting his illness take him). 

However, as Lucky Thirteen pointed out above, it is terminal, and if they let the illness take him, then so be it.  We aren't ALL going to fanrage and hunt down Bioware employees (although I may fanrage on the galaxy and let everyone die). 

For those of us that really enjoyed Thane's character, we just want to see him developed further, his love with Shepard (if you did that) evovled, and perhaps some more squad time with him. 

It's just good, healthy, fun debating/discussing!

EDIT for ToP Thane goodness (by ~XxWafiqah)

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 25 octobre 2011 - 04:40 .

[RGC_Ines]

wildannie wrote...

yes, and often the most they want to see of him is his glorious death.  Fortunately I don't think that Bioware fanservice will be focusing on that section of the Thane fandom

While Im one of Thane's fan who said here on Bio forum that I want for Thane " glorious death" let me explain.
I like all my ME1 & ME2 companions, especialy LIs for female players such Kaidan and Thane. 99% of my Shepards romanced with Thane and even with this one " loyal" to Kaidan it was really hard to avoid romance with Krios. I would gladly continue relationship between my Shepards and Thane, but  after DA2 I don't blindly trust BioWare with theirs game visions anymore. While I know, that it's different studio for ME3, it's still BioWare ( under EA butt) and some of theirs ideas about ME3 I don't like. Im affraid, that all ME2 companions returns will be reduced to silly and bad  " Horizons" ( partly for new players sake), while BioWare choose a " big role" for Kaidan/Ashley. Moridin as a " one mission"  NPc (?) companion (?), Thane " one mission" cameo (?), the fact, that all of ME2 companions could easily die in SM, don't gave me hope. I know, that BioWare said, that all romances will be equal but with all those facts it's hard to belive. Kaidan  has his full time in ME1, cameo in ME2 and now important role in ME3..Thane has a half time of ME2 ( fortunetly I can mod my Xbox version and get him at the start of the game) and now just cameo in ME3 ( rumour). Is it " equal"? So if Thane's role have to be really another Horizon I would prefer for him glorious dead in a epic battle ( and after that will cry probably in a front of my TV).

There's only one thing that intrigue me...it's Garrus/Tali as a perma companions for ME3 ( rumour). They both are LIs in ME2, but in this same time they both could die in ME3....so maybe, just maybe it means that those two places in a squad are just places for ours LIs from ME2 like Thane and Jacob?

[wildannie]

RGC_Ines wrote...

wildannie wrote...

yes, and often the most they want to see of him is his glorious death.  Fortunately I don't think that Bioware fanservice will be focusing on that section of the Thane fandom

While Im one of Thane's fan who said here on Bio forum that I want for Thane " glorious death" let me explain.
I like all my ME1 & ME2 companions, especialy LIs for female players such Kaidan and Thane. 99% of my Shepards romanced with Thane and even with this one " loyal" to Kaidan it was really hard to avoid romance with Krios. I would gladly continue relationship between my Shepards and Thane, but  after DA2 I don't blindly trust BioWare with theirs game visions anymore. While I know, that it's different studio for ME3, it's still BioWare ( under EA butt) and some of theirs ideas about ME3 I don't like. Im affraid, that all ME2 companions returns will be reduced to silly and bad  " Horizons" ( partly for new players sake), while BioWare choose a " big role" for Kaidan/Ashley. Moridin as a " one mission"  NPc (?) companion (?), Thane " one mission" cameo (?), the fact, that all of ME2 companions could easily die in SM, don't gave me hope. I know, that BioWare said, that all romances will be equal but with all those facts it's hard to belive. Kaidan  has his full time in ME1, cameo in ME2 and now important role in ME3..Thane has a half time of ME2 ( fortunetly I can mod my Xbox version and get him at the start of the game) and now just cameo in ME3 ( rumour). Is it " equal"? So if Thane's role have to be really another Horizon I would prefer for him glorious dead in a epic battle ( and after that will cry probably in a front of my TV).

There's only one thing that intrigue me...it's Garrus/Tali as a perma companions for ME3 ( rumour). They both are LIs in ME2, but in this same time they both could die in ME3....so maybe, just maybe it means that those two places in a squad are just places for ours LIs from ME2 like Thane and Jacob?

I'm more than happy for there to be a 'glorious death' option but I would be gutted if there was no choice.   My reason for thinking this way is that I want to replay ME3 many many times as I have with 1&2.  While I'm happy to watch sad angsty films etc I don't tend to watch them more than once. If Thane always dies I will not be importing all my saves.
I'm trying not to worry about Bioware messing up with the LIs in the final installment, and just hope that my trust is warranted.  I quite enjoyed DA2 despite it's (many) faults and I think the critical bashing that it received will have been noted by all the teams working at Bioware and I expect that the Company will be going all out to make sure they don't have a large backlash in the near future.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

jtav wrote...

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that as well. Personally, I don't mind people expressing how they see Thane in ME3. And the tragicist in me admits that an extremely powerful death scene could be very emotionally charged if it was well done. I just simply prefer for there to be the option to save him. However, in order to interpret his character from all angles, I would do a playthrough with a 'powerful death' if it was available. Just to explore his character and his effect on others from all possible angles.

People don't need to hate Thane in order to have a different interpretation of what should be done with him in ME3. I.e. a powerful death scene. Of course I wouldn't want such an event to be compulsory, but it is there for those who genuinely see his character only ending in that direction.

[JECWSU]

I don't know why anyone would think they aren't welcome here. I have never seen anyone told to not come back simply because they prefer to have him die. Even if you do you are certainly welcome to come here and discuss it. Anyone and everyone is welcome to do so. As I have said before this thread is one of the more nicer ones. I don't know were it ever came from that we are an unwelcoming group.

[Fiery Phoenix]

JECWSU wrote...

I don't know why anyone would think they aren't welcome here. I have never seen anyone told to not come back simply because they prefer to have him die. Even if you do you are certainly welcome to come here and discuss it. Anyone and everyone is welcome to do so. As I have said before this thread is one of the more nicer ones. I don't know were it ever came from that we are an unwelcoming group.

I'll just voice my agreement with this.

*walks out nicely*

[Verly]

I actually like ALL the characters in both games. I am the same way with the dragon age series. There might be some I like a little more or a little less, but for the most part I like them all. Thane just happens to be my favorite character in the mass effect series and Zevran is me favorite in dragon age. (maybe I have a thing for assassins...I hope not. lol)
I don't want any scripted deaths for any of the characters.. virmier was hard enough for me in ME1

[Enmystic]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

Unfortunately, I have noticed that as well. Personally, I don't mind people expressing how they see Thane in ME3. And the tragicist in me admits that an extremely powerful death scene could be very emotionally charged if it was well done. I just simply prefer for there to be the option to save him. However, in order to interpret his character from all angles, I would do a playthrough with a 'powerful death' if it was available. Just to explore his character and his effect on others from all possible angles.

This is why I would like it if all the squad mates had multiple endings, not just Thane.  How would their stories be affected, how could they impact the overall story, and think of all the squad combinations.  There would still be much left to discuss even after the ME trilogy has ended because of all the different viewpoints and outcomes players can have.  I'm all for replay value.

Anyway, I have no problem with discussing Thane's possible outcomes.  However, when the argument becomes condescending towards one opinion it's not going to end well.  I do like the Thane thread for being much nicer than what I've seen going on elsewhere.

I'm in the camp that prefers multiple endings for Thane so in some way everyone gets what they want.  I really want to see him live, but I don't want it to be his only ending. 

[RGC_Ines]

Enmystic wrote...

This is why I would like it if all the squad mates had multiple endings, not just Thane.  How would their stories be affected, how could they impact the overall story, and think of all the squad combinations.  There would still be much left to discuss even after the ME trilogy has ended because of all the different viewpoints and outcomes players can have.  I'm all for replay value.

Anyway, I have no problem with discussing Thane's possible outcomes.  However, when the argument becomes condescending towards one opinion it's not going to end well.  I do like the Thane thread for being much nicer than what I've seen going on elsewhere.

I'm in the camp that prefers multiple endings for Thane so in some way everyone gets what they want.  I really want to see him live, but I don't want it to be his only ending. 

Yes it would be nice to have multiple endings for all companions but I doubt it will be done. First BioWare is focused too much ( in my opinion) on Ashley/Kaidan & Liara, second..I have feelings that they don't care too much about ME2 companions ( while all of them could easily died in Suicide mission so why to care about theirs stories too much? Horizon will be enough), and the last, BioWare will give us new companions again. To create really good, and multiple endings for all of them it's a lot of work, and while they works also with multiplayer and all those Galaxy on War stuff Im pesimistic here.
And I have to say that I never felt unconfortable here in this topic even I have sometimes different point of view about Thane..It's really nice place for discussion with all of  you.

[wildannie]

jtav wrote...

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

I think that there's naturally going to be quite a few people who disagree with that outcome for Thane but it's perfectly valid one to have just as it's perfectly valid for others to respond saying it's not what they want.

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't find the attidute that argues that Thane dying must be canon for everyone annoying, but the same goes for canon deaths for any of the LIs.  I'm in favor of many options and the possiblility for a happy conclusions to all the ME romances.<3<3<3I'm soppy that way:P

[Lucky Thirteen]

Huzzah! People being nice and accepting of other ideas! Wonderful!



Here's a Thane being badass to celebrate~

[wildannie]

RGC_Ines wrote...


Yes it would be nice to have multiple endings for all companions but I doubt it will be done. First BioWare is focused too much ( in my opinion) on Ashley/Kaidan & Liara, second..I have feelings that they don't care too much about ME2 companions ( while all of them could easily died in Suicide mission so why to care about theirs stories too much? Horizon will be enough), and the last, BioWare will give us new companions again. To create really good, and multiple endings for all of them it's a lot of work, and while they works also with multiplayer and all those Galaxy on War stuff Im pesimistic here.
And I have to say that I never felt unconfortable here in this topic even I have sometimes different point of view about Thane..It's really nice place for discussion with all of  you.

They certainly have had their work cut out to make everyone happy but I don't think they will be solely focusing on ME1 LIs.
It's likely that there will be more to talk about with them as there's lots to work out in the relationship whereas the ME2 LIs are established which may mean that they are handled differently.  Putting ME2 out on PS3 has no doubt brought many to the game who have never played ME and it's unlikely that these new fans care at all about Kaidan/Ashley and even Liara, they're more likely to care for ME2 characters and Bioware will be well aware of this... stay positive 

[Cosmochyck]

wildannie wrote...

jtav wrote...

Well, if I may offer an outsiders POV, it does seem that, if you want to see Thane succumb to his illness and/or ship him elsewhere, you're not welcome here.

I think that there's naturally going to be quite a few people who disagree with that outcome for Thane but it's perfectly valid one to have just as it's perfectly valid for others to respond saying it's not what they want.

I'd be lying if I said that I didn't find the attidute that argues that Thane dying must be canon for everyone annoying, but the same goes for canon deaths for any of the LIs.  I'm in favor of many options and the possiblility for a happy conclusions to all the ME romances.<3<3<3I'm soppy that way:P

Me too

[Enmystic]

RGC_Ines wrote...

Yes it would be nice to have multiple endings for all companions but I doubt it will be done. First BioWare is focused too much ( in my opinion) on Ashley/Kaidan & Liara, second..I have feelings that they don't care too much about ME2 companions ( while all of them could easily died in Suicide mission so why to care about theirs stories too much? Horizon will be enough), and the last, BioWare will give us new companions again. To create really good, and multiple endings for all of them it's a lot of work, and while they works also with multiplayer and all those Galaxy on War stuff Im pesimistic here.
And I have to say that I never felt unconfortable here in this topic even I have sometimes different point of view about Thane..It's really nice place for discussion with all of  you.

Well, yes, it's a lot of work.  Every game ever produced that was ever any good was a lot of work.  The game as it is now has probably taken many man hours that I can't begin to grasp.  With all the companions that have been a part of Shepard's team during the entire series it's amazing to think of the amount of interpretations ME can have.  I would like to see the most made out of that potential, even if what I suggest doesn't happen(which I never expect it to because I'm not on the development team). 

I think multiple endings (at least two) can be a good compromise for heavily debated characters such as Thane.  Whether it happens or not is up to BioWare.

[RGC_Ines]

Well..I think that I will try to stay positive as Wildannie sugest..just can't wait for 9 March..it's sooo long

[JECWSU]

Mei Mei wrote...

I think if we can meet every naysayer with a plate of cookies and a glass of cold milk, it will help them feel welcomed. XD

Okay, enough joking.

This thread is one of the nicer ones. People can disagree and not have the same opinion and that is fine. I like that. I've been to the other threads and some, are just, ouch. Thus. I like it here.

Now, where's my cookies and milk? Chocolate chip and make the milk skim. Thanks.

I completely agree with this. Some of the other threads are just scary. This one is one of the nicer threads, so I don't know why anyone would feel unwelcome in here. I don't think any of us have ever made someone feel that way.

[Lucky Thirteen]

I think they felt unwelcome cause some people said people who think Thane should succumb to his illness are not fans.

[disconnect7]

I could understand why the OP felt that way, having a different opinion than the majority of the fanbase can seem daunting. I know there are awesome people in this thread though, and would be more than willing to discuss the topic of Thane's mortality with anyone.

[JECWSU]

I still feel that this is a very welcoming thread with a lot of wonderful people. That person should have never felt unwelcome. We are perfectly willing to discuss all things dealing with Thane.

[JECWSU]

Mei Mei wrote...

Considering how some of the other fan bases behave, it can be daunting to voice your opinion without fear of retaliation. Some are downright unwelcoming. Some, like us, are welcoming to different perspectives. Sometimes that different perspective pushes us to grow, to change, to find a new avenue to thought rather than stagnate.

Fear is a very common deterant. People don't want to put themselves out there and go through that pain. Its easier to walk away. In my culture, when you do that, its a habit and once a habit its the way of life for that person. I enjoy people who are willing to have a different point of view and to fight and defend their point of view. I have respect for them.

We are all humans. We are not all going to have the same thought proceses nor are we all going to agree to the same things but its coming to concensus that makes it enjoyable and interesting. The growing and becoming something more.

Human behavior in the social environment, again.  Love it.

I completely argee with everything you just said.
 
I know that some of the other threads are less friendly to people who have a different opinion, and I would hate for this thread to get the reputation of being unfriendly to others. I know some of us might get a bit defensive when it comes to Thane, but that's only natural. I still think that we are willing to listen to a different opinion.