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[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

'The taste of another tongue's in one mouth?'

Also, I do apologise for my slip up earlier on the breaking up dialogue. Been a while since I played Mass Effect (Skyrim beckons you see.)

Edit: And a top of the page! Let us find one that fits in appropriately with the above quote!

By Angua (who else! )

Modifié par Tasha vas Nar Rayya, 04 décembre 2011 - 12:15 .

[kirasdream]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

'The taste of another tongue's in one mouth?'

Also, I do apologise for my slip up earlier on the breaking up dialogue. Been a while since I played Mass Effect (Skyrim beckons you see.)

Edit: And a top of the page! Let us find one that fits in appropriately with the above quote!

By Angua (who else! )

I have a sneaking suspecion that Skyrim will be beckoning until ME3.  Only reason why several people haven't personally gone insane from the wait.  And WOW that picture is hot (and drawn very well ).

I apologize if anyone has already brought this up, but has anyone seen The Fountain? I was telling my brother (who is like the Mass Effect wikia) about the synopsis of the movie, and while I was narrating Tommy and Izzi's section, how Tommy was trying to develop a cure for Izzi's illness (though Izzi was at terms with her death and just wanted to spend time with her husband), I thought of Thane and femShep, and it kind of creeped me out.  My brother even noted the similarity as well, and said that he was concerned that there could be a major choice where Thane could be cured, but it would have dire consequences (like neglecting a species or a planet or some other plot related thing).  Thoughts?  Refutes?

[Asenza]

@kirasdream,

I think that would be interesting, but the problem with that kind of situation is that it's only interesting on the surface. A childish question really, "How much do you love me? Show me!"

Thane's life versus all life on a planet, or the survival of a species? How could a situation like that even come to pass?  How could Thane or any other LI's life possibly mean the difference between life and death for entire species or planets? A stupid, contrived and unbalanced situation that could only end in emotional manipulation via the LI's death or flak for the rest of the game. Ohh, Commander-Save-Teh-Galaxy Shepard dared indulge in selfishness, desperate for some happiness during their near-hopeless mission to save the galaxy from a horde of mecha-cthulu!

Save Thane's life, but at the cost of his love/respect? This stems, I believe, from the people who think that a romanced Thane still wants to die, and that forcing some kind of life-preservation on him would cause him to lose respect/feelings/love for Shepard. Not only is that wrong- his final romance scene showed how much he didn't want to die and his LOTSB letter shows how much he wants to live for Shepard- it's not fair.

Most of the other LI's wouldn't be faced with a situation like this because the writers saw fit to only saddle Thane's already tragic past with a terminal illness. If only a Thane-romancing Shepard is forced to make a decision like that, then it's like the writers are punishing those who romanced Thane.

Again, interesting on the surface but the second you begin to think about it for even a minute, interesting becomes terrible, cheap, overly-dramatic, emotional manipulation, shouldn't be considered.

Modifié par Asenza, 04 décembre 2011 - 06:13 .

[kirasdream]

Asenza wrote...

@kirasdream,

I think that would be interesting, but the problem with that kind of situation is that it's only interesting on the surface. A childish question really, "How much do you love me? Show me!"

Thane's life versus all life on a planet, or the survival of a species? How could a situation like that even come to pass?  How could Thane or any other LI's life possibly mean the difference between life and death for entire species or planets? A stupid, contrived and unbalanced situation that could only end in emotional manipulation via the LI's death or flak for the rest of the game. Ohh, Commander-Save-Teh-Galaxy Shepard dared indulge in selfishness, desperate for some happiness during their near-hopeless mission to save the galaxy from a horde of mecha-cthulu!

Save Thane's life, but at the cost of his love/respect? This stems, I believe, from the people who think that a romanced Thane still wants to die, and that forcing some kind of life-preservation on him would cause him to lose respect/feelings/love for Shepard. Not only is that wrong- his final romance scene showed how much he didn't want to die and his LOTSB letter shows how much he wants to live for Shepard- it's not fair.

Most of the other LI's wouldn't be faced with a situation like this because the writers saw fit to only saddle Thane's already tragic past with a terminal illness. If only a Thane-romancing Shepard is forced to make a decision like that, then it's like the writers are punishing those who romanced Thane.

Again, interesting on the surface but the second you begin to think about it for even a minute, interesting becomes terrible, cheap,  dramatic emotional manipulation, shouldn't be considered.

I didn't think it was exactly child-ish and that it was misinterpreted, nor did I think that the situation would produce the line "How much do you love me? Show me!",  but I do see your point.  It would be unfair if the writers were to put only Thane romancers in that type of position, and hopefully it is unlikely.  I didn't say that saving him would lose his respect or anything like that; what I probably didn't make clear was that curing Thane with possible consequences would be more universal choice than just with Thane romancers.  One of the choices in Mass Effect was selecting the VS; choosing one person over another, essentially.  Bioware does have a pattern in choices, some of it dealing with the survival of members in your squad, and I was merely applying that pattern to a potential choice in Mass Effect 3.  It was just a theory, and an opinion is what I asked for, and I appreciate that you put time and thought into your response.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

I have always thought that a choice is the best 'choice' for Bioware to make. It keeps those who romanced him at bay, while also appeasing those who think his character arc should end with him dying.

But I think that the choice should involve something more personal. Like using Collector technology to prolong his life, using cybernetics to rebuild his lungs, or Kolyat dies in some noble cause, and Thane needs a lung transplant of someone who is biologically close to him.

Of course, Thane would likely disagree with any of these choices. So if Shepard omni-tools Mordin to make Thane survive, I imagine Shep may lose some of that respect.

Unless she/he uses te power of the magical paragon/renegade option of course

[Asenza]

kirasdream wrote...

I didn't think it was exactly child-ish and that it was misinterpreted, nor did I think that the situation would produce the line "How much do you love me? Show me!",  but I do see your point.  It would be unfair if the writers were to put only Thane romancers in that type of position, and hopefully it is unlikely.  I didn't say that saving him would lose his respect or anything like that; what I probably didn't make clear was that curing Thane with possible consequences would be more universal choice than just with Thane romancers.  One of the choices in Mass Effect was selecting the VS; choosing one person over another, essentially.  Bioware does have a pattern in choices, some of it dealing with the survival of members in your squad, and I was merely applying that pattern to a potential choice in Mass Effect 3.  It was just a theory, and an opinion is what I asked for, and I appreciate that you put time and thought into your response.

Oh, I understood your post fine. I probably should have said that my post was a response to this issue in general. I've seen people suggest this before, and not just for Thane. Thane's terminal illness just adds another element to it.

Unless one romanced Liara or has a strange sense of humor, the Virmire decision (while being needlessly binary and more than a bit contrived) was an easy one to make. LI or no LI? The other issue is, well... I'll just compare it to Arrival. They put a huge number on a screen and told you that lots of people would die. But you don't see them die, or freaking out as the explosion hits, or see them going about their day just before the mass relay wiped them out. So when the whole area got wiped out, well... they were just numbers on a screen. This isn't me being sadistic and wanting to see blood and carnage. I just wanted some kind of connection, however tenuous.

And it wasn't there.

You could care about the destruction in Arrival but it was in the abstact sense, like hearing about atrocities on the other side of the world. Same with this proposed, "LI or an entire species" decision. Thane vs Kahje or Liara vs a lot of asari, Tali vs Migrant Fleet, the known and loved face vs an amorphous mass of culture and traits.   

It's selfish to save one life at the expense of many, many, many others, but putting players in that kind of situation is just emotional manipulation. If an absurd LI vs Homeworld situation has to be manufactured solely for the purpose of injecting drama and emotion into the narrative, if it can't come naturally and the audience can see several ways the situation could have been averted well... then the writers have failed at the crux of the whole situation: making me care enough about both sides to make such a decision difficult.

Modifié par Asenza, 04 décembre 2011 - 07:02 .

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

There is a quote from a sadistic and psychotic (although surprisingly insightful) dictator named Stalin that I think is appropriate here:

'The lives of millions is just a statistic, but the life of one person is a tragedy.'

The point being, that death means very little unless it is personalised. Three hundred thousand batarians that we have never met? Sucks to be them. Happens here in real life too. You hear about an Earthquake, and it see the death toll. But it is just a statistic, unless you have personal connections with any of those individuals.

So in Thane's case, it would be a tragedy to a Shepard who romanced her if he died. But she pretty much shrugged off the three hundred thousand + batarians on the Arrival mission. And even Admiral Hackett was only concerned with the political consequences of their deaths in relation to the unsteady relationship between Batarians and Humans.

[JECWSU]

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

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Aha yes! I find that very cute.
Honestly, when after I learned about when he could go back into memory, I really thought he was going to do that when Shepard said that.

:lol:Haha. That would have been awkward. I wonder what he would have been remembering? Mmm. I can just imagine. Too NSFW to post here though, lol.

Hmm..maybe something about Irikah?

I hope not. I'm glad that didn't happen.

[TheSweetGirl]

I'm glad to see this thread is still alive and the people here nice and kind. =)
I have been lurking. =)

[mythlover20]

JECWSU wrote...

LiveLoveThaneKrios wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

EDIT: removed unnecessary quotes...

Aha yes! I find that very cute.
Honestly, when after I learned about when he could go back into memory, I really thought he was going to do that when Shepard said that.

:lol:Haha. That would have been awkward. I wonder what he would have been remembering? Mmm. I can just imagine. Too NSFW to post here though, lol.

Hmm..maybe something about Irikah?

I hope not. I'm glad that didn't happen.

I am too. Shepard would not have been happy if he did.<_<

[mythlover20]

TheSweetGirl wrote...

I'm glad to see this thread is still alive and the people here nice and kind. =)
I have been lurking. =)

These people are wonderful aren't they? They all made me feel so welcome. (Thanks btw), and they will make you feel wonderfully welcome too!

Since Tasha isn't online at the moment I'll say it for her: please, post more! Talk, discuss, debate! We love all Thane fans and we love to hear from everyone. So long as we're all respectful of each other, we invite any and all points of view, and the inevitable discussions that follow!

Please, post! Have fun! And I (and everyone else, I'm sure) look forward to hearing from you again soon!

(Sorry Tasha I stole your job from you. )

[Sohe]

Ok, I cant be the only one whom is curious about this, but what are the chances that we MIGHT get to see what Irikah looked like in ME3?

[hanar05]

Sohe wrote...

Ok, I cant be the only one whom is curious about this, but what are the chances that we MIGHT get to see what Irikah looked like in ME3?

It's possible we will get more clues as to what she looked like.

And I hope that even if we don't get to see them, we will get more of an idea as to what female drell look like

Modifié par hanar05, 05 décembre 2011 - 07:42 .

[Sealy]

Uhg, modding is hard, been fiddling all day, finally got everything I thought I wanted and my file corrupted. *facepalm* Wonder if I can tick Thane for early recruitment. I just want to move on from the opening scene and romance Thane now.

Modifié par Fleshdress, 05 décembre 2011 - 03:35 .

[TheComfyCat]

hanar05 wrote...

There is one line before the loyalty mission where Thane shows some interest, though.
And that's this following dialogue that I'm sure you're all familiar with XD

Shepard: "A friend, huh? That's a start."
Thane: "A start? That's... intriguing."

This quote brings back such warm, fuzzy, Thane memories (I haven't played ME2 in a while, been playing ME1 and Skyrim recently). I almost forgot that extra comma and made it "fuzzy Thane memories." Lulz (Teddy bear Thane? I dunno. Studying for finals is clearly frying my brain).

Anyway, I would love for my ThaneSheps to ride off into the sunset with a cured Thane after ME3, but not at the expense of a contrived (planet vs Thane type) decision. Given the treatment of the VS in ME3, though, it seems like they're aiming to crank up the drama, so I do expect some sort of dramatic sacrifice to cure Thane if it's possible to cute him at all. I really, really hope that Bioware will let us cure him.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Sohe wrote...

Ok, I cant be the only one whom is curious about this, but what are the chances that we MIGHT get to see what Irikah looked like in ME3?

Really not sure about that. Not saying it's impossible, but it's VERY unlikely.

[TheComfyCat]

FallTooDovahkiin wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Sohe wrote...

Ok, I cant be the only one whom is curious about this, but what are the chances that we MIGHT get to see what Irikah looked like in ME3?

Really not sure about that. Not saying it's impossible, but it's VERY unlikely.

I agree 
I don't see why they would show her. Unless if Thane either
A. Had a picture.
or B. He had a memory..but it showed her in the memory besides Thane talking about her in detail.

It'd be nice too see, but he's with Shepard (if romanced).

And considering how unlikely it would be for them to create a female drell model just for this brief glimpse by Thane fans:
C. They already made a female drell for multiplayer (which would be cool) that they could just recolor and call Irikah....

[feliciano2040]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Sohe wrote...

Ok, I cant be the only one whom is curious about this, but what are the chances that we MIGHT get to see what Irikah looked like in ME3?

Really not sure about that. Not saying it's impossible, but it's VERY unlikely.

It would already be too much if we saw female Drell.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

mythlover20 wrote...

TheSweetGirl wrote...

I'm glad to see this thread is still alive and the people here nice and kind. =)
I have been lurking. =)

These people are wonderful aren't they? They all made me feel so welcome. (Thanks btw), and they will make you feel wonderfully welcome too!

Since Tasha isn't online at the moment I'll say it for her: please, post more! Talk, discuss, debate! We love all Thane fans and we love to hear from everyone. So long as we're all respectful of each other, we invite any and all points of view, and the inevitable discussions that follow!

Please, post! Have fun! And I (and everyone else, I'm sure) look forward to hearing from you again soon!

(Sorry Tasha I stole your job from you. )

Hehe, don't worry. Sweet Girl used to post on the old Thane thread actually, so it is great to see you back here you lurkasaurus .

As for seeing Irikah, I doubt we will. But if we did, I imagine it will be from Kolyat's memory/perspective and not Thane's.

[JECWSU]

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

Sohe wrote...

Ok, I cant be the only one whom is curious about this, but what are the chances that we MIGHT get to see what Irikah looked like in ME3?

Really not sure about that. Not saying it's impossible, but it's VERY unlikely.

I agree. I highly doubt that will happen.
I'm not even sure we will hear about her much if at all.