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[Cosmochyck]

mythlover20 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Here's a question.

Did anyone every doubt that he loved Shepard befor he said so in the letter?

Not me,

 I really can't get over folks who think that sheps callously taking the place of Irikah.  Irikah died when Thane was 29 years old, you would expect him to have moved on after 10 years.  If she had not died in such horrific circumstances and he had not felt responsible he would quite likely have moved on much sooner and to do so would have been completely normal.

Thane goes into his relationship with Shepard because he's falling in love with her I think its quite patronising to the character to imagine that he's not man enough to make that decision.  It seems that some people expect the bereaved to become celibate which I think is very silly indeed.

I never doubted Thane's love for Shepard, for all the reasons stated above (I won't repeat everything again). I am disappointed though that there are people who think the love scene was Shepard taking advantage of the man. I have always viewed it as Shepard comforting him in the most basic way possible, because words were not enough. When she tries (the "just nerves" dialogue option) he murmers an agreement  and leaves. He seems rather unconvincing, he doesn't believe her platitudes, and I think looks a little sad as he leaves. The "be alive" option is just a woman comforting her man the only way she can. At least that's how I interpret it.

The pic's very nice Lyd!

I completely agree!!  I did do the "just nerves" dialogue (and of course re-loaded immediately!), and he doesn't seem to believe her at all.  And it never crossed my mind that Shep would be "taking advantage" of him!  He's already said he cares for her, his actions and discussions clearly indicate strong feelings, and the fact that he even came to her to discuss how he feels the night before the SM speaks VOLUMES! 
It's never bothered me either that he had a wife - everyone has a past. 

And great work as always Lyd!!

edit: ToP
So in honour of new year's, here's more fab Lyd!
by Louvette

Modifié par Cosmochyck, 03 janvier 2012 - 02:21 .

[kirasdream]

Cosmochyck wrote...

mythlover20 wrote...

wildannie wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Here's a question.

Did anyone every doubt that he loved Shepard befor he said so in the letter?

Not me,

 I really can't get over folks who think that sheps callously taking the place of Irikah.  Irikah died when Thane was 29 years old, you would expect him to have moved on after 10 years.  If she had not died in such horrific circumstances and he had not felt responsible he would quite likely have moved on much sooner and to do so would have been completely normal.

Thane goes into his relationship with Shepard because he's falling in love with her I think its quite patronising to the character to imagine that he's not man enough to make that decision.  It seems that some people expect the bereaved to become celibate which I think is very silly indeed.

I never doubted Thane's love for Shepard, for all the reasons stated above (I won't repeat everything again). I am disappointed though that there are people who think the love scene was Shepard taking advantage of the man. I have always viewed it as Shepard comforting him in the most basic way possible, because words were not enough. When she tries (the "just nerves" dialogue option) he murmers an agreement  and leaves. He seems rather unconvincing, he doesn't believe her platitudes, and I think looks a little sad as he leaves. The "be alive" option is just a woman comforting her man the only way she can. At least that's how I interpret it.

The pic's very nice Lyd!

I completely agree!!  I did do the "just nerves" dialogue (and of course re-loaded immediately!), and he doesn't seem to believe her at all.  And it never crossed my mind that Shep would be "taking advantage" of him!  He's already said he cares for her, his actions and discussions clearly indicate strong feelings, and the fact that he even came to her to discuss how he feels the night before the SM speaks VOLUMES! 
It's never bothered me either that he had a wife - everyone has a past. 

And great work as always Lyd!!

edit: ToP
So in honour of new year's, here's more fab Lyd!
by Louvette

Beautiful Picture!  May have to make it my background

It occured to me that talking to Shepard about his wife would be like a type of "Therapy" for Thane.  He mentioned he hadn't spoken about her in ten(?) years, and never told anyone about what happened and what he did.  Perhaps getting those memories and actually discussing it with another person (such as Shepard, who is portrayed as a logical and strong person in game, not to mention she/he could be the second Psychologist/Counselor on board the Normandy with Kelly) helped him get through any potential lingering hurts, or at least accept them.

Also, for your guys' Shepards' that romanced Thane, what were their backgrounds (such as Colonist, Sole Survivor)?  I am curious if a certain pattern emerges, or has someone already done this?  If so, I apologize.

[JECWSU]

I have three that romanced Thane.
One is a colonist, sole survivor. One is a Earthborn, War Hero,and the other is a Spacer, War Hero..


I think it might  be a kinc of therapy for Thane. He also sees that Shepard cares. He knows she doesn't have to do this. She chooses to spend all this time with him.

Modifié par JECWSU, 03 janvier 2012 - 05:10 .

[wildannie]

 I'm happy to have a shepard of any background romance Thane.  
Aside from Thane's obvious qualities, I think sheps experience of death and Thane's terminal illness could give them some common ground and mutual empathy.  
If it wasn't for her death I'd favour the colonist sole survivor background.  The one that I'm least fond of is the spacer war hero (I never play ruthless).

I personally would never romance Thane with a fully renegade shepard because I don't buy that Thane would like her (just my take though)

[JECWSU]

wildannie wrote...

 I personally would never romance Thane with a fully renegade shepard because I don't buy that Thane would like her (just my take though)

I always felt that Thane wouldn't agree with a lot of what a fully renegade Shepard does. It's one of the reasons why I have a hard time doing the things renegad Shepard does. I know that there are some who have full renegade shepards that work well with Thane. I gues it depends on you and how you play. I guess Thane is one of those characters that can go well with most Shepards.

[Friera]

JECWSU wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 I personally would never romance Thane with a fully renegade shepard because I don't buy that Thane would like her (just my take though)

I always felt that Thane wouldn't agree with a lot of what a fully renegade Shepard does. It's one of the reasons why I have a hard time doing the things renegad Shepard does. I know that there are some who have full renegade shepards that work well with Thane. I gues it depends on you and how you play. I guess Thane is one of those characters that can go well with most Shepards.

I love my renegade Shep with Thane. ITs like she is a badass b***, but with Thane she becomes a real woman with such a gentle and beautiful love. Just...sexy

Regarding taking advantage of Thane;
I don´t think Shep take advantage. However, I must say the timing is really bad for Thane.
Thane was ready to die, and was hoping for a good way to go. (aka suicide mission/Nassana) . But then he met Shepard, and the timing is  just wrong!  But its love, you can´t choose when it happens.
Imagine you have been  "dead" for 10 years. When you finally accept that you will depart from the world.  Must be a horrible feeling that you know you will die, leaving something you hold so close to your heart.


Another note;
If ME3 is one year after ME2, Thane must already have one foot in the grave, considering he has 8-12 months left... There really is a slim chance of  him surviving.

[JECWSU]

When did Bioware say that ME3 took place a year after ME2?
I never heard that.

[Cosmochyck]

Friera wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 I personally would never romance Thane with a fully renegade shepard because I don't buy that Thane would like her (just my take though)

I always felt that Thane wouldn't agree with a lot of what a fully renegade Shepard does. It's one of the reasons why I have a hard time doing the things renegad Shepard does. I know that there are some who have full renegade shepards that work well with Thane. I gues it depends on you and how you play. I guess Thane is one of those characters that can go well with most Shepards.

I love my renegade Shep with Thane. ITs like she is a badass b***, but with Thane she becomes a real woman with such a gentle and beautiful love. Just...sexy

Regarding taking advantage of Thane;
I don´t think Shep take advantage. However, I must say the timing is really bad for Thane.
Thane was ready to die, and was hoping for a good way to go. (aka suicide mission/Nassana) . But then he met Shepard, and the timing is  just wrong!  But its love, you can´t choose when it happens.
Imagine you have been  "dead" for 10 years. When you finally accept that you will depart from the world.  Must be a horrible feeling that you know you will die, leaving something you hold so close to your heart.


Another note;
If ME3 is one year after ME2, Thane must already have one foot in the grave, considering he has 8-12 months left... There really is a slim chance of  him surviving.

Yeah I romanced Thane with a full-on renegade Shep - maxxed my renegade points (which I thought I would NEVER do).  It's not what I would normally choose, but decided for one renegade playthrough.  And I was Earthborn - Ruthless.  And ruthless was a great way to describe my actions!  However I always chose wisely with Thane...it was my Shep's way of connecting with someone else that she didn't have to "save" - he wasn't looking for it.  He was just available for chatting

[kirasdream]

JECWSU wrote...

When did Bioware say that ME3 took place a year after ME2?
I never heard that.

I'm getting my info from here --->
http://masseffect.wi...m/wiki/Timeline

And Mac Walters stated on his twitter the year when ME3 takes place ---> https://twitter.com/...45791139409920/

Modifié par kirasdream, 03 janvier 2012 - 07:29 .

[wildannie]

Friera wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

wildannie wrote...

 I personally would never romance Thane with a fully renegade shepard because I don't buy that Thane would like her (just my take though)

I always felt that Thane wouldn't agree with a lot of what a fully renegade Shepard does. It's one of the reasons why I have a hard time doing the things renegad Shepard does. I know that there are some who have full renegade shepards that work well with Thane. I gues it depends on you and how you play. I guess Thane is one of those characters that can go well with most Shepards.

I love my renegade Shep with Thane. ITs like she is a badass b***, but with Thane she becomes a real woman with such a gentle and beautiful love. Just...sexy

Regarding taking advantage of Thane;
I don´t think Shep take advantage. However, I must say the timing is really bad for Thane.
Thane was ready to die, and was hoping for a good way to go. (aka suicide mission/Nassana) . But then he met Shepard, and the timing is  just wrong!  But its love, you can´t choose when it happens.
Imagine you have been  "dead" for 10 years. When you finally accept that you will depart from the world.  Must be a horrible feeling that you know you will die, leaving something you hold so close to your heart.


Another note;
If ME3 is one year after ME2, Thane must already have one foot in the grave, considering he has 8-12 months left... There really is a slim chance of  him surviving.

He said he would be fine for 8-12 months, that doesn't indicate how long he would be ill thereafter before succumbing.  If he gets a transplant... who knows how long that buys him.  As for it being bad timing, if it provides the impetus for him seeking a transplant or new treatments then it could be seen as good timing, or just in the nick of time timing .

[JECWSU]

If ME3 takes place a year after ME2. Thane might not be well enough to do anything at all.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

kirasdream wrote...

Also, for your guys' Shepards' that romanced Thane, what were their backgrounds (such as Colonist, Sole Survivor)?  I am curious if a certain pattern emerges, or has someone already done this?  If so, I apologize.

My Shepard who will romance Thane is still in the planning stages, so I've only decided on Earthborn. I figured this would be the best way of giving them something from the past in common - both grew up in a situation where they had to learn how to kill and survive younger than most, and now because of it, my FemShep already knows how it is to love someone who could die at any time. That's just the way it was when all of her friends (and potential boyfriends) were gang members for the first half of her life, and soldiers for the second.

She's a Paragade. I don't know which military history I'll end up giving her, but it probably won't be War Hero. Sole Survivor or Ruthless could work, but I worry that her past might end up too similar to some of my other Shepards if I make her a Sole Survivor. This FemShep has a bit of a redemption storyline of her own. She's the type who got used to doing what needs to be done, no matter what she thinks of it morally - basically wanting to do the right thing, but not knowing if it's possible to accomplish her mission that way. As an example, her first instinct is to give TIM the Collector base because, even though she's uncomfortable with the idea, there might be something in that tech that can help them defeat the Reapers. Thane's comment will change her mind.

Originally, I had planned for Thane to be with one of my other FemSheps, a Renegade Spacer War Hero, because she likes assassins, but just thinking about that moment at the Collector base made me realize that they're too different. She has morals in the way that "even evil has standards", but Thane... probably has too much of a moral code for her. She would work better with Kai Leng or TIM. Plus, she's the brilliant military strategist who would never, by any stretch of the imagination, lose someone on the suicide mission. This new FemShep could. Thane will only catch Shepard when she's jumping for the ship if the other squadmate died in the final battle, so it works out well for dramatic purposes too.

By the way, the first FemShep I described there is Natalie, and the second is Katherine.

[hanar05]

wildannie wrote...

Friera wrote...
Another note;
If ME3 is one year after ME2, Thane must already have one foot in the grave, considering he has 8-12 months left... There really is a slim chance of  him surviving.

He said he would be fine for 8-12 months, that doesn't indicate how long he would be ill thereafter before succumbing.  If he gets a transplant... who knows how long that buys him.  As for it being bad timing, if it provides the impetus for him seeking a transplant or new treatments then it could be seen as good timing, or just in the nick of time timing .

It's true, Thane does mention that he will be fine for another 8-12 months in this following dialogue:

Thane: "I should be fine for another eight to twelve months. The more time I spend in humid environments, the faster it progresses."

BUT he also mentions this line:

Thane: "I mentioned when we met on Illium that I was dying. It's called Kepral's syndrome. It's not communicable, but I have less than a year to live."

So by "fine", Thane means alive. Typical Thane, trying to make it sound like not such a big deal!

ME3 may take place in the following year but that doesn't mean that exactly one year has passed. We will have to see how things progress.

Modifié par hanar05, 04 janvier 2012 - 04:43 .

[mythlover20]

I only have one Shepard who romanced Thane so far, but she romanced Kaidan first and I want to have a loyal playthrough for Thane as well as for Garrus, so I'll be doing another one soon.

Margurite Shepard is Earthborn, Sole Survivor, Sentinal. She's a Danish-born Englishwoman, who is friends with the HRHs of the time (both of whom she met during her basic training). She's a confident woman, full Paragon but with a very health dose of Renegade (I accidentally kicked that merc out the window, cause I tend to automatically do the renegade/paragon option when it pops up. She did Garrus' loyalty mission first though so I'm pretending that she was still upset at Garrus' reaction to her not letting him kill Sidonis, and was felt guilty afterwards). She is capable of navigating political minefields, though she hates it and can't be bothered at times, and is as capable in high society as she is on the battlefield. She loves classical music and opera instead of techno, because she figures she gets enough violence in her day job. She is also steadfastly ignoring her reactions to being brought back from the dead, so she's got a few psychological issues. I chose Sentinal because I like that mix of tech and biotic abilities.

As for the next one, I haven't planned her yet, but I'm thinking maybe Spacer, War Hero, Adept. Or maybe Colonist. I'm not sure.

Sorry I got a little carried away with Margurite's character development.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I always go overboard with character development too. xD It's a good kind of overboard though. I think it's more fun to play a Shepard with a personality, history, and opinions of their own to back up their choices.

Your post also reminded me that my Natalie Shepard does not have a class yet. Now I have to think of one...

hanar05 wrote...

So by "fine", Thane means alive. Typical Thane, trying to make it sound like not such a big deal!

Aww, that's just like him. Thane is similar to a lot of my favorite characters in this way.

[stwu]

I can't say that I think a renegade Shep and Thane mesh. I haven't played Mass Effect 2 in a while so I can't remember perfectly but he say's a "Siha is a fierce protector". I can't see how a renegade protects anyone, they usually take out the vast majority of people they come across.
My Sara Shep is a paragon, survivor. I only have one romance for Thane. I can't share him with other Shepards even my own.

[Tasha vas Nar Rayya]

So, my boyfriend is really getting into Star Wars: The Old Republic (I can't play it yet as I need to wait for my new computer.) And I was thinking about the classes on there and the parallels with the characters from Mass Effect. I thought that Garrus very much fitted into the role of a Bounty Hunter. But I got stuck with Thane, to me, he is neither light side nor dark side (neither is Garrus, but still, I can't think of what class Thane would be.) Any ideas?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I'm so jealous. xD I can't play SW:TOR without a gaming PC either. Eventually...

I don't know about Garrus as a Bounty Hunter. Maybe if he helped whoever he thought was right in the end, but that's kind of bad for business. I can't think of a better fit for him out of those classes though. Now, Zaeed and Wrex would definitely be Bounty Hunters. Kai Leng too, and even younger Thane. But Thane as he is in ME2? I think of him as some kind of Jedi... possibly because he's wise, calm, and has biotics. Saren's totally a Sith Inquisitor, by the way.

I can just imagine these guys playing a MMO.

Edit: Actually, either Imperial Agent or Bounty Hunter for Kai Leng and young Thane... I forgot Agents were assassins too, and it might be a better fit since they worked for large organizations/governments.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 04 janvier 2012 - 12:11 .

[Sealy]

Lol When I romance Thane with my full out renegades I spend a lot of the game making a head canon full of Thane facepalming. Like when she shoots Kolyats hostage and then looks over at Thane like "What?" *shrug* I don't take him on the really bad renegade choices like sending off the drugged Volus, thats always Jack and Legion.

[Sealy]

Second page! I think not.

So I usually keep Samara alive because I know here and Thane a buddies and this time I killed her and kept Morinth. How do you think Thane would react to finding out it was Morinth instead of Samara, to a non romanced Shep and a romanced Shep?

I am stuck really for a non romaced Shep I think he would be seriously pissed and you would lose his loyalty, I think he would stay though cause he really wants to take down the Collectors. With a romanced Shep? I have no idea, probably deeply betrayed, but I think he would decide to trust whatever reason she gives him. Or if not trust to accept. I think I agree with the others when they say logically Thane should not be romancable by a renegade Shep, she is just a little too... bad, for him to fall in love with.

[stwu]

Fleshdress wrote...

Lol When I romance Thane with my full out renegades I spend a lot of the game making a head canon full of Thane facepalming. Like when she shoots Kolyats hostage and then looks over at Thane like "What?" *shrug* I don't take him on the really bad renegade choices like sending off the drugged Volus, thats always Jack and Legion.

Lol! Exactly. No way does a renegade Shep mesh with Thane. I suppose he could use the same excuse he uses on himself to justify his actions. But my Sara Shep doesn't buy that.

[xxfallenangel]

Wait I thought those spoilers were old? (from the last page)  I really hope so, anyways. Because I also read other things so now Im confused. I really hope I'll be happy with Thanes inclusion in ME3.

Modifié par xxfallenangel, 05 janvier 2012 - 05:22 .

[JECWSU]

I think those spoilers are old. Honestly no one really knows what is going to happen until the game comes out.
I'm also hoping that I'll be happy with what they do with his character in ME3.

I haven't been happy at all with anything I've heard, but I am still willing to wait and see.

Modifié par JECWSU, 05 janvier 2012 - 05:50 .

[stwu]

Your referring to the troll on the last page. I haven't read any of the spoilers but it appears that those who have read it have reported many things. Like JECWSU said we'll just have to wait and see.

With that said, BIOWARE PLEASE SAVE THANE!

[xxfallenangel]

Thanks for replying guys. Yeah I honestly don't think BioWare will disappoint us, by at least give us choices to make. Fingers crossed. I'll just stay as positive as I can.