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[JECWSU]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

Then you're very lucky that you to have your favorites with you. My favorite isn't going to be with me. No one from ME2 is going to be with us. Except for Garrus and Tali. Bioware just doesn't seem to be to interested in the rest of them. They haven't given any information on any of them, and at this point I don't expect them to. I'm also very use to my favorite characters being pushed to the side or killed. That's why this one bothers me so much, and one of the reasons that I feel no excitement about this game. How does anyone know that this is going to be a great game? Before I can decide that I have to play the game, but I'm not expecting much.

I'm guessing you haven't read the spoilers? Most (possibly all) of the squadmates who don't return to Shepard's team have good reason for it, at least in my opinion. I still consider their roles important, sometimes even more so than the squadmates.

My excitement is based mostly on the fact that I've enjoyed every BioWare game I've played (ME1, ME2, DAO & Awakening, DA2, Jade Empire, and part of KOTOR) more than any other, and partly based on what I've read from the leaked script.

Actually I have, and I still feel that they could have been able to join you. At least at some point. Instead we get maybe one mission and that seem  to be it.  I'm sure there is a good enough reason for Tali and Garrus to not join your team, but they do. If anyone has a good reason not to join Liara does, but she's with for most if not all of the game. The things I've read for Thane don't sound good to me at all. It also seems like some of the decisions we have made through out the games won't matter much in ME3.

I haven't enjoyed every Bioware game I've ever played. Just ME1&2, and Jade Emplre, so it's not like I had a strong faith in them to begin with.

[wasp777]

            

[The Sarendoctrinator]

I guess we just have different views about what we wanted for the squadmates in ME3 then. They could have gone another route with Thane, and I would have liked to have him on the team, but it doesn't bother me much that he isn't. I didn't miss Wrex when he wasn't a squadmate in ME2 even though I brought him everywhere with me in ME1 - he was completely in-character, doing something important, the short scenes he was in were awesome, and now I wouldn't want it any other way. Thane's story has more sadness, of course... but I like what I've read so far. Just my opinion.

wasp777 wrote...

 In comparison, Mass Effect 2 only had 23 minutes of cutscenes, which leads me to believe the game will focus heavily on non-interactive plot development. On the other hand, this could also indicate various versions of each cutscene deepening on player choices throughout the game.

Really? Wow, I thought there would have been more than that in ME2. That makes it sound like ME3 is going to be a very long game by comparison. And if so, yay! It could be that different cutscenes happen with different choices. I'll bet a good part of it could be showing Reaper attacks though.

Edit: Thane with an assassin hood and omni-blade!

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 07 janvier 2012 - 12:46 .

[wildannie]

I'm sure I saw it posted somewhere that ME2 had around 70mins cutscenes. ME3 does have more but I'm pretty sure its not *that* much more.

[wasp777]

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Modifié par wasp777, 07 janvier 2012 - 03:10 .

[wildannie]

I stand corrected

I really hope that means there's more choices and depth requiring varied cut scenes rather than a more scripted experience.

[JECWSU]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

I guess we just have different views about what we wanted for the squadmates in ME3 then. They could have gone another route with Thane, and I would have liked to have him on the team, but it doesn't bother me much that he isn't. I didn't miss Wrex when he wasn't a squadmate in ME2 even though I brought him everywhere with me in ME1 - he was completely in-character, doing something important, the short scenes he was in were awesome, and now I wouldn't want it any other way. Thane's story has more sadness, of course... but I like what I've read so far. Just my opinion.

Edit: Thane with an assassin hood and omni-blade!

Wrex is different. He isn't an LI. I'm guessing Thane isn't your LI.
I don't see how you're going to have a satisfactory continuation to your romance if your LI. Meanwhile other characters get a wonderful continuation.

@Wasp
That's a big difference in in cutscenes. Hopefully it means some good conversations and scenes in general for ME3.

wildannie wrote...
I really hope that means there's more choices and depth requiring varied cut scenes rather than a more scripted experience.

I hope so too.


 

Modifié par JECWSU, 07 janvier 2012 - 06:24 .

[coldwetn0se]

Mei Mei wrote...

Dropped in to return a few PM's and check in on the Thane thread and what do I find? Negativity. Where's the optimism? Where's the love!? WHERE'S THE SPIRIT!? 

Well... I am going to have to remind you of the great words of Bluto (John Belushi) from Animal House.

Otter: Looks like I missed something
Boon: Yeah you did. We're all officially kicked out of school. Wormer just got our grades.
Otter: They kicked us out of school? Huh. That makes sense.
Bluto: Hey what's this lying around ****?
Stork: Well What we suppose to do you moron!
D-Day: War's over, man. Wormer dropped the big one.
Bluto: Over? Did you say "over"? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!
Otter: Germans?
Boon: Forget it, he's rolling.
Bluto: And it ain't over now. 'Cause when the goin' gets tough...
[thinks hard, room is quiet]
Bluto: The tough get goin'! Who's with me? Let's go! Com'on! Ha!
[runs out, alone; then returns] 
Bluto: What the f**k happened to the Delta I used to know? Where's the spirit? Where's the guts, huh? This could be the greatest night of our lives but your going to let it be the worst. "Ooh, we're afraid to go with you Bluto, we might get in trouble." Well just kiss my a** from now on! Not me! I'm not gonna take this. Wormer, he's a dead man! Marmalard, dead! Niedermeyer!
Otter: Dead! Bluto's right. Psychotic, but absolutely right. We gotta take these b*stards. Now we could fight them with conventional weapons that could take years and cost millions of lives. No. No. No, in this case I think we have to go all out. I think that this situation absolutely requires a really futile and stupid gesture be done on somebody's part.
Bluto: We're just the guys to do it.
[everyone stands]
Boon: Let's do it.
Bluto: LET'S DO IT! AHH!!!!! Go! Go! GO!



Now, we could let the death of Thane brings us down. We could wallow in our loss and sadness or we could look at our time here, what this character has brought into our lives and be thankful. No matter what happens. No matter if Thane dies, or doesn't continue on, its what we gained from this experience that is important.

Now, come back to the light, bring your joy, your sorrow, your happiness and your pain. Come back and talk about Thane Krios. The kicka** Drell Assassin we all know and love. Let me see the joy in this thread again.

Okay, never posted here before (BTW, LOVE Thane, and all my femSheps romance him), but need to give a serious *golf clap* to Mei Mei for that entry.  Bravo, Sir/Madam!  That whole cast can make me smile!

And nice effort in trying to rally the Thane lovers to reach for the half FULL glass of Pinot/Beer/Rum/Shirley Temple....whatever be your poison.

[zonders]

So I just finished my Thane LI playthrough, and managed to read the letter he writes you in the Shadow Broker's lair.
Wow. I've never actually been so affected by a love story in a videogame before. That letter sealed the deal for me. I hope Thane gets a suitably fantastic role in ME3. Just wow.

[wildannie]

@coldwetn0se

mine's an amaretto on ice, I'll raise a(nother) glass for maximum choice in ME3

@zonders

Welcome to the club:wizard:

Modifié par wildannie, 07 janvier 2012 - 09:12 .

[JECWSU]

Welcome to the thread coldwetn0se and zonders

@Zonders I competely agree,and hope for the same thing.

Modifié par JECWSU, 07 janvier 2012 - 09:19 .

[RGC_Ines]

JECWSU wrote...
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I don't see how you're going to have a satisfactory continuation to your romance if your LI. Meanwhile other characters get a wonderful continuation.

 

Well if leaked files are in final game, female players as usually will not be satisfacted.
Anyway, if in ME3 will be an option to save Thane and add him to the team I would do anything for that ..even next Virmire... ...To be honest Im little dissapointment by perma squad members in ME3 ( if we can say that anyone is perma there). My dream team is Thane, Samara,Jack, Wrex and Garrus..I would be more than happy if I could have them all on Normandy again.

[JECWSU]

RGC_Ines wrote...

JECWSU wrote...
.
I don't see how you're going to have a satisfactory continuation to your romance if your LI. Meanwhile other characters get a wonderful continuation.

 

Well if leaked files are in final game, female players as usually will not be satisfacted.
Anyway, if in ME3 will be an option to save Thane and add him to the team I would do anything for that ..even next Virmire... ...To be honest Im little dissapointment by perma squad members in ME3 ( if we can say that anyone is perma there). My dream team is Thane, Samara,Jack, Wrex and Garrus..I would be more than happy if I could have them all on Normandy again.

I would have no problem doing another Virmire if it meant I could save Thane and have him on my team. That would be easy for me. I had no problem with the first Virmire.

My team would be Thane, Garrus, Jack, Miranda. I would love to have Wrex, and probably Kaidan.

I completely agree with what you said about those files. If they are in the final game I don't think I'm going to be very satisfied.

Modifié par JECWSU, 07 janvier 2012 - 09:46 .

[wasp777]

Mass Effect 3 will feature 40.000 lines of dialogue, a number that puts it almost to the amount of dialogue from the first two games combined. For comparison, Mass Effect 1 featured 20.000 lines of dialogue and Mass Effect 2 featured 25.000 lines.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I assume if the're not going to be especially deep, convoluted plots then they might as well give way to player choice whenever possible.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Bioware I trust!

Modifié par wasp777, 07 janvier 2012 - 10:03 .

[RGC_Ines]

JECWSU wrote...

I would have no problem doing another Virmire if it meant I could save Thane and have him on my team. That would be easy for me. I had no problem with the first Virmire.

My team would be Thane, Garrus, Jack, Miranda. I would love to have Wrex, and probably Kaidan.

If those files end up in the game I don't think I will be very satisfied at all.

For me Virmire was a hard choice,becouse I liked very much both of my companions. Ash was my BFF, even if I didn't agree with her about aliens, and Kaidan..well he was first my friend, and then an LI...so it was hard to sacrifice someone. Unfortunetly ( once again if spoilers are true), I don't feel any bond with ME3 version of  Kaidan anymore, and I doubt, that I will be OK with him in a game, even with my only " loyal " FemShep. Honestly I even doubt I will use this save, becouse it's not worth for me anymore.
But Thane is another story..First I was a little dissapointment by romance options in ME2. Jacob wasn't for me, becouse I hated the way, my Shep was talking to him. Garrus was always for me like a youngest brother, so it would be weird to romance with him...I also wasn't sure if I will romance with alien..But then I done Nassana Tower mission and guess what? I found Thane very interesting character...as a teammate and as a LI..And now Im sure, that he is this one true romance option for my FemSheps. To stay " loyal" to Kaidan was extremaly hard task, especially after Thane called my Shep " Siha" I knew, that he is very ill when I started romance, Im prepared for his death in ME3, if this is the way that BioWare want to follow..As I said before I would be happy to have him close to my Shep and with her at the end of Trilogy...Maybe it's silly  but still I have little hope that I will get my  happy ending...

[Jerome Jira]

wasp777 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 will feature 40.000 lines of dialogue, a number that puts it almost to the amount of dialogue from the first two games combined. For comparison, Mass Effect 1 featured 20.000 lines of dialogue and Mass Effect 2 featured 25.000 lines.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                      I assume if the're not going to be especially deep, convoluted plots then they might as well give way to player choice whenever possible.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  In Bioware I trust!

Wow, seriously? Well I'm not complaining. There must really be a lot of dialogs, since ME3 has like 83 minutes of cut scnenes while ME2 had something like 63 (I don't remember correctly).

[zonders]

Thanks for the welcome . Also, is there any information on Thane out yet? I've read both the script and the rumours that he will be on a planet called Invictus, but I don't know if they are correct or trustworthy. Has there been anything? Or is all we can say is that he will be in ME3 but we don't know how?

[RGC_Ines]

zonders wrote...

Thanks for the welcome . Also, is there any information on Thane out yet? I've read both the script and the rumours that he will be on a planet called Invictus, but I don't know if they are correct or trustworthy. Has there been anything? Or is all we can say is that he will be in ME3 but we don't know how?

Nope, there's nothing official yet ( BioWare dislike Fem players) only rumours, leaked scripts and romance dialogs....

[JECWSU]

zonders wrote...

Thanks for the welcome . Also, is there any information on Thane out yet? I've read both the script and the rumours that he will be on a planet called Invictus, but I don't know if they are correct or trustworthy. Has there been anything? Or is all we can say is that he will be in ME3 but we don't know how?

There hasn't really been any information on Thane. There isn't any real proof that Invictus even exists, so it seems to  have been just a rumor. All we know is that he's in ME3, but nothing else.

[JECWSU]

RGC_Ines wrote...

JECWSU wrote...

I would have no problem doing another Virmire if it meant I could save Thane and have him on my team. That would be easy for me. I had no problem with the first Virmire.

My team would be Thane, Garrus, Jack, Miranda. I would love to have Wrex, and probably Kaidan.

If those files end up in the game I don't think I will be very satisfied at all.

For me Virmire was a hard choice,becouse I liked very much both of my companions. Ash was my BFF, even if I didn't agree with her about aliens, and Kaidan..well he was first my friend, and then an LI...so it was hard to sacrifice someone. Unfortunetly ( once again if spoilers are true), I don't feel any bond with ME3 version of  Kaidan anymore, and I doubt, that I will be OK with him in a game, even with my only " loyal " FemShep. Honestly I even doubt I will use this save, becouse it's not worth for me anymore.
But Thane is another story..First I was a little dissapointment by romance options in ME2. Jacob wasn't for me, becouse I hated the way, my Shep was talking to him. Garrus was always for me like a youngest brother, so it would be weird to romance with him...I also wasn't sure if I will romance with alien..But then I done Nassana Tower mission and guess what? I found Thane very interesting character...as a teammate and as a LI..And now Im sure, that he is this one true romance option for my FemSheps. To stay " loyal" to Kaidan was extremaly hard task, especially after Thane called my Shep " Siha" I knew, that he is very ill when I started romance, Im prepared for his death in ME3, if this is the way that BioWare want to follow..As I said before I would be happy to have him close to my Shep and with her at the end of Trilogy...Maybe it's silly  but still I have little hope that I will get my  happy ending...

Virmire was easy for me becasue I didn't like Ashley so I always picked Kaidan, and he was my LI in ME1. Even though I picked Kaidan most of the time Ashley is alive in two playthroughs, and I still didn't have an issue at all picking Kaidan to die. I just felt no attachment to either character really.

Thane was pretty much the perfect choice for my FemShep in ME2. I did romance Garrus, but Thane is my favorite. I was looking forward continuing Thane's romance to the most. Now I have no idea what Bioware has planned for him. That's one of the things that worries me.

I also don't think it' silly because I still have a little hope for my Shepard to get her happy ending with Thane. 

Modifié par JECWSU, 07 janvier 2012 - 11:25 .

[zonders]

Man, I can't handle this suspense... Can't say I'm not excited though!

[wildannie]

RGC_Ines wrote...
...I knew, that he is very ill when I started romance, Im prepared for his death in ME3, if this is the way that BioWare want to follow..As I said before I would be happy to have him close to my Shep and with her at the end of Trilogy...Maybe it's silly  but still I have little hope that I will get my  happy ending...

I was more prepared for his death at the end of ME2 in February 2010 than I am now because of the vague (but hopefully not backhanded) hints towards treatments that have been given to us since then that have naturally raised expectations.  Few of us want a tragic end forced upon us and if Thane's death is made cannon then maybe all LIs should meet a tragic end too for the sake of parity.  

Bioware has created a variety of characters that appeal to a wide variety of players and while most players appreciate a few of the characters, many also find some of the characters to be annoying.  As it stands the ME3 squad is massively underwhelming for me with Garrus and Kaidan being the only two I have any interest in whatsoever.  If you throw the unavoidable death of Thane into that mix the product is game that is not going to be much (if any) fun for me.  On the other hand if Thane gets treatment and lives on beyond ME3 I'm pretty sure I'll love the game.

Modifié par wildannie, 08 janvier 2012 - 12:13 .

[The Sarendoctrinator]

JECWSU wrote...

Wrex is different. He isn't an LI. I'm guessing Thane isn't your LI.
I don't see how you're going to have a satisfactory continuation to your romance if your LI. Meanwhile other characters get a wonderful continuation. 

He is for one of my FemSheps. The characters I like only get one Shepard, and the others sometimes have more so I can play around with the "cheating" options. Thane's among my favorite romance options for Shepard (second for Femshep, and third overall).

wasp777 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 will feature 40.000 lines of dialogue, a number that puts it almost to the amount of dialogue from the first two games combined. For comparison, Mass Effect 1 featured 20.000 lines of dialogue and Mass Effect 2 featured 25.000 lines.  

I assume if the're not going to be especially deep, convoluted plots then they might as well give way to player choice whenever possible.  

In Bioware I trust!

That's awesome news!  Now I want ME3 even more!

"In BioWare I trust." I like it. It should be on a banner.

[JECWSU]

wildannie wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...
...I knew, that he is very ill when I started romance, Im prepared for his death in ME3, if this is the way that BioWare want to follow..As I said before I would be happy to have him close to my Shep and with her at the end of Trilogy...Maybe it's silly  but still I have little hope that I will get my  happy ending...

I was more prepared for his death at the end of ME2 in February 2010 than I am now because of the vague (but hopefully not backhanded) hints towards treatments that have been given to us since then that have naturally raised expectations.  Few of us want a tragic end forced upon us and if Thane's death is made cannon then maybe all LIs should meet a tragic end too for the sake of parity.  

Bioware has created a variety of characters that appeal to a wide variety of players and while most players appreciate a few of the characters, many also find some of the characters to be annoying.  As it stands the ME3 squad is massively underwhelming for me with Garrus and Kaidan being the only two I have any interest in whatsoever.  If you throw the unavoidable death of Thane into that mix the product is game that is not going to be much (if any) fun for me.  On the other hand if Thane gets treatment and lives on beyond ME3 I'm pretty sure I'll love the game.

I have never really been prepaired for his death. I'm hoping that it is still a matter of choice.

I agree that if his death is unavoidable that this game isn't going to be very much fun for me. It's bad enough that he's not on our team. His unavoidable death is the last thing I want to see. If this is the road that they decide to take then there isn't really much we can do about it. I just hope they know what they are doing, but at this point I doubt it.

[Asenza]

JECWSU wrote...

wildannie wrote...

RGC_Ines wrote...
...I knew, that he is very ill when I started romance, Im prepared for his death in ME3, if this is the way that BioWare want to follow..As I said before I would be happy to have him close to my Shep and with her at the end of Trilogy...Maybe it's silly  but still I have little hope that I will get my  happy ending...

I was more prepared for his death at the end of ME2 in February 2010 than I am now because of the vague (but hopefully not backhanded) hints towards treatments that have been given to us since then that have naturally raised expectations.  Few of us want a tragic end forced upon us and if Thane's death is made cannon then maybe all LIs should meet a tragic end too for the sake of parity.  

Bioware has created a variety of characters that appeal to a wide variety of players and while most players appreciate a few of the characters, many also find some of the characters to be annoying.  As it stands the ME3 squad is massively underwhelming for me with Garrus and Kaidan being the only two I have any interest in whatsoever.  If you throw the unavoidable death of Thane into that mix the product is game that is not going to be much (if any) fun for me.  On the other hand if Thane gets treatment and lives on beyond ME3 I'm pretty sure I'll love the game.

I have never really been prepaired for his death. I'm hoping that it is still a matter of choice.

I agree that if his death is unavoidable that this game isn't going to be very much fun for me. It's bad enough that he's not on our team. His unavoidable death is the last thing I want to see. If this is the road that they decide to take then there isn't really much we can do about it. I just hope they know what they are doing, but at this point I doubt it.

I'm with you, Jecwsu.

What hits me the most is the... unfairness of this situation. Thane's the only LI with a terminal illness. Thane's the only one people are demanding a heroic death for. Or a desperately cloying deathbed vigil.

While all the other LI's are involved in life or death situations due to the whole Reaper war, Thane is the only one who can die (and soon) due to something unrelated.

That's why I believe there will be a have a happy ending with Thane, and I mean, one where he and Shepard survive ME3 together. I really don't want to believe that Bioware could be so incredibly unfair in this last installment of the series.

Now, if Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Liara get unavoidable deaths, then that's another story.....

Modifié par Asenza, 08 janvier 2012 - 05:55 .