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Asenza wrote...

I'm with you, Jecwsu.

What hits me the most is the... unfairness of this situation. Thane's the only LI with a terminal illness. Thane's the only one people are demanding a heroic death for. Or a desperately cloying deathbed vigil.

While all the other LI's are involved in life or death situations due to the whole Reaper war, Thane is the only one who can die (and soon) due to something unrelated.

That's why I believe there will be a have a happy ending with Thane, and I mean, one where he and Shepard survive ME3 together. I really don't want to believe that Bioware could be so incredibly unfair in this last installment of the series.

Now, if Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Liara get unavoidable deaths, then that's another story.....


I don't think I will ever understand why some people seem to want his death so bad, and don't want any kind of compromise.

I really hope you're right about the happy ending, because I think it would be unfair for every other LI gets to have some kind of happy ending while Thane doesn't.

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Asenza wrote...

I'm with you, Jecwsu.

What hits me the most is the... unfairness of this situation. Thane's the only LI with a terminal illness. Thane's the only one people are demanding a heroic death for. Or a desperately cloying deathbed vigil.

While all the other LI's are involved in life or death situations due to the whole Reaper war, Thane is the only one who can die (and soon) due to something unrelated.

That's why I believe there will be a have a happy ending with Thane, and I mean, one where he and Shepard survive ME3 together. I really don't want to believe that Bioware could be so incredibly unfair in this last installment of the series.

Now, if Tali, Garrus, Miranda and Liara get unavoidable deaths, then that's another story.....


Jack has her neural degeneration. Yes she's getting stronger, but for how long, it's speculated that this will slowly be her demise. So in a sense, Thane might not be the only one with an unavoidable death.

I believe he deserves a chance at a "new life", he deserves it. Especially if he's able to find happiness with your Shepard and rekindling his relationship with his son. Even if there was a limit, say 10 years, that's still more time to embrace this positivity throughout his future (well of course for the Reapers, but I'm speculating after those events).

Thane to me, will be one of Shepard's closest friends, I don't know, there is just such a good connection between the two, for me at least. Personally, I'm not against a heroic death, but I'm all for expanding his life span, if possible. Though it depends on certain circumstances. Either way, as I've stated in other threads, permanence doesn't necessarily mean better character development for "x" character (though I'm speaking from my perspective of Jack's role in ME3, which I find very fitting and respectable for her character).

Modifié par spiros9110, 08 janvier 2012 - 06:17 .


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spiros9110 wrote...

Jack has her neural degeneration. Yes she's getting stronger, but for how long, it's speculated that this will slowly be her demise. So in a sense, Thane might not be the only one with an unavoidable death.
 


That neural degeneration thing is a throwaway scrap of information because no one else ever comments on it or acts like they are aware of it, and it never became relevant in the course of Jack's story.

Maybe the writers had planned on making it a bigger part of her character then scrapped it and left that little bit in just 'cause? Whatever the reason though, Jack's situation is in no way comparable to Thane's.

And it STILL wouldn't be fair to Thane or Jack fans (and doubly cruel to me, seeing as I love both characters alarmingly dearly) because the other five or so LI's would still get their sail-off-into-the-sunset ending.

Modifié par Asenza, 08 janvier 2012 - 06:33 .


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The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

wasp777 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 will feature 40.000 lines of dialogue, a number that puts it almost to the amount of dialogue from the first two games combined. For comparison, Mass Effect 1 featured 20.000 lines of dialogue and Mass Effect 2 featured 25.000 lines.  

I assume if the're not going to be especially deep, convoluted plots then they might as well give way to player choice whenever possible.  

In Bioware I trust!

That's awesome news! Image IPB Now I want ME3 even more!

"In BioWare I trust." I like it. It should be on a banner.

You read my mind.:lol: And one more news story that you might have missed.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             Mass Effect 3 to follow "over 1000" story variations.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        Casey Hudson: "Numerically, it's over 1000 variables that we'll have access to for shaping the Mass Effect 3 experience for people who've played the previous games. While the primary storyline remains relatively static, decisions players make in the first and second games will combine and branch out into various ways to once again create a unique experience for individual players in Mass Effect 3. Players of Mass Effect 2 will no doubt be especially curious to discover how their big decision and the loss of certain crew members during the final sequence will impact their experience in the third game, along with various romances and relationships."                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                   I think that Thane's life in your hands. I'm sure that would also feature bonus dialogue if you romanced him.

Modifié par wasp777, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:49 .


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Bioware has a habit of saying a lot of things that turn out not to be true, and I wouldn't trust everything Casey says either. He also doesn't say anything about Thane's fate. We aren't going to know what will happen to him until we get the game. All we can do is hope that bioware will give us a choice to save him.

Modifié par JECWSU, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:28 .


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wildannie wrote...

I was more prepared for his death at the end of ME2 in February 2010 than I am now because of the vague (but hopefully not backhanded) hints towards treatments that have been given to us since then that have naturally raised expectations.  Few of us want a tragic end forced upon us and if Thane's death is made cannon then maybe all LIs should meet a tragic end too for the sake of parity.  

Bioware has created a variety of characters that appeal to a wide variety of players and while most players appreciate a few of the characters, many also find some of the characters to be annoying.  As it stands the ME3 squad is massively underwhelming for me with Garrus and Kaidan being the only two I have any interest in whatsoever.  If you throw the unavoidable death of Thane into that mix the product is game that is not going to be much (if any) fun for me.  On the other hand if Thane gets treatment and lives on beyond ME3 I'm pretty sure I'll love the game.

Im very, very weak person so I saw spoilersImage IPBAnd to be honest if Thane death is forced..well all I will say that I will be ok with things I saw...Plus there's option that another female LI will die also. But to be honest all things I saw so far are a big dissapointment for me. Since DA:O I feel that BioWare is a little unfair with female LI. The first thing was a Dark Ritual in DA:O. OK, male players just slept with theirs LI once again, have fun with another female, or just let someone else slept with Morrigan..Female players ( if Alistair was LI)  let theirs LI slept with another woman or lost him..That was unfair in my eyes. Now in Mass Effect if scripts are true, there's only one romance option  for female players which seems be OK ( don't include Vega here) , another that maybe will work ( not for my nerves TBH), and two LIs that are screwed...Looks like bad things are only for female players LIs..not fair again...
To be honest Im against " forced death" not only for LIs but also for others NPCs. I would prefer that theirs " fate" was a choice, even in the Virmire way. I want that my choices have real impact on story, I want to have chance for my happy ending. I know that ME is not " love story" and there are hundreds lives to save etc...but I want to have a one, personal and good reason to fight for....

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I haven't read all the scripts, but it doesn't sound like it's looking to good.
There also isn't anytime to fix any of these things if they aren't already fixed. Maybe in a dlc I'll get to have Thane with me if they do a dlc for ME3.

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JECWSU wrote...

I haven't read all the scripts, but it doesn't sound like it's looking to good.
There also isn't anytime to fix any of these things if they aren't already fixed. Maybe in a dlc I'll get to have Thane with me if they do a dlc for ME3.

So You are lucky...Spoilers ruined Kaidan as LI for me...I liked him a lot in ME1, was angry on him in ME2 ....and now I don't want to continue my relationship with him...I even don't want him on Normandy ( probably I will not have to). About DLCs I don't have faith in BioWare. In my opinion in ME2 Kaidan/Ash needs DLC badly to stabilize theirs relationship with Shepard, as we could do this with Liara in LotSB, but we never had it. I know, that the reason is probably that BioWare needs "cheaters" to add some drama to ME3, but after spoilers I see it  failed too..

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After stating that he's a viable transplant candidate in LotSB there is now no way conceivable that they could make Thane's death unavoidable that I will be okay with - its just not possible.

 The only other LI any of my Shepards have pursued is Kaidan so if his story arc is ruined then ME3 could be a massively disappointing game.

I don't think there's a snowballs chance in hell of a Thane DLC, when it comes to LIs it's the male fanbase that is catered for (Leliana, Morrigan, Liara). This is why Bioware needs to make sure they provide satisfactory conclusions that appeal to all sections of the fanbase in the game.  

I don't have very much money but I spend much of my spare cash on gaming.  I know that its not unreasonable, within the context of the ME series to date, for me to expect to be able to save Thane.  I need to have agency over the outcome of character arcs (beyond where and when their forced death occurs) to enjoy replaying the game.  If I'm not replaying the game I will not buy DLC.  If others see things as I do then killing off Thane (or any one specific character) unavoidably would not be good business.

sorry if that seemed like a bit of a rant.

I will be surprised (not to mentioned shocked and horrified) if we don't get a chance to save him.  

Modifié par wildannie, 08 janvier 2012 - 02:53 .


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wildannie wrote...

After stating that he's a viable transplant candidate in LotSB there is now no way conceivable that they could make Thane's death unavoidable that I will be okay with - its just not possible.

 The only other LI any of my Shepards have pursued is Kaidan so if his story arc is ruined then ME3 could be a massively disappointing game.

Don't get me wrong please, maybe for You romance continuation with Kaidan will be great. I don't want to talk here on forum about this, becouse it's about spoilers, and I understand, that people don't want to know some things before date relase. It's ruined only for me, and in his behaviour are things that I can't accept in my partner, that's all. For others it could be great  point in game, and they will truly understand it ( like they accept and understand Kaidan's behaviour on Horizon).

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Kaidan is my other LI so I'm hoping that hasn't been ruined. I haven't liked anything I've read for Thane. I have no idea why they thought cutting out all the LI's from ME2 was a good idea. I don't see how we can have a satisfactory conclusion with him if he isn't with us.

I wasn't talking about a Thane dlc. I know there is no way bioware would ever do that. I'm talking about a regular dlc not focused on any one character, but where we would at least get the chance to maybe have him back on our team. It was just a thought anyway.

@wildannie. You are not ranting because I agree with everything you have said. At this point I have very little fath left in bioware. All we can do is hope that they don't make his death unavoidable,and that we get a satisfactory conclusion to his story and romance.

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I agree with what people have been saying so far, completely. The last thing I want is for Thane's death to be forced - we should be able to have the option to save him. Key word there being "option" as I feel that would please everyone (the people that want him dead and those that don't).

But there have been such mixed messages regarding Thane (mostly from leaked sources so I have no idea what is true or not) but I am sincerely hoping that the quest mentioned in the first page of this thread is genuine.

Also I am quite glad to hear I'm not the only one who's experience of me3 will be greatly affected by Thane's fate!!

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Holy peoples, I adorize you all but your making this thread crazy depressing. Stop worrying yourselves to death. Look at the bright side, Thane is definitly in ME3 and they could have just had one of the characters tell Shep he died while she was on earth. Haven't read his spoilers but they have done good things with the characters, everything has a new depth to it and that is so so fine by me.

Thane will get his airtime, and if he dies I'll cry, and if he lives My Shep wants to settle down and start a family with adopted war babies. That is if she lives, which I find less likely then Thanes death. I have a feeling Sheps stories are kaput.

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I'm sorry for that, but it's not like there is a lot to talk about. They haven't given us any information, and those leaked files do not make it look good for Thane.

Yes his in it, but we don't know how long he is in the game. It could be for five minutes and that's it. We don't know if he will have a well written story at all. Him being in it isn't saying much. I just want him to have a wonderfuly written story no matter how long or short it is, and I want a good conclusion to his romance.

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If you want to talk about something ele than here is a question

I was wondering did everyone pre-order this game?

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I've had the CE preordered since July, Ava. When I have it, I'm going to lock my door and forget I have a life.

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Fleshdress wrote...

That is if she lives, which I find less likely then Thanes death. I have a feeling Sheps stories are kaput.

Oh and who is pessimist right now hmm?Image IPB Shepard store will end in ME3, but it don't have to mean her/his death. Plus we are talking about thing, that worry us the most-that means Thane fate in ME3...
Once again, Kaidan's story is terrible for me, becouse my own feelings and my point of view about relationships, so don't worry too much about this please.
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Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I've had the CE preordered since July, Ava. When I have it, I'm going to lock my door and forget I have a life.

Same here! Tell everyone I am on holiday, and tell my uni lecturers I have chickenpox or something! Hehe.

As for something a bit more uplifting we can talk about Thane is...

He has given chocolate to Mouse, but has he tried chocolate himself? What chocolate bar would be his favourite?

And we have already reached the conclusion he would like chocolate-coated strawberries ;)

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I've got the CE preordered too and am going to book a few days off work to play... hope I'm not disappointed

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Looking at the past games none of the squadmates have to die if you don't wish it to be that way.
Bar from the Virmire choice, but even so you pick who to keep alive.
Everyone CAN die, but sofar it's always been a choice, I don't see that changing.
Maybe that makes me overly optimistic, but judging from the past 2 games there's a pattern in it, and I don't see a reason for them to break with it.

As to rumors of Thane biting the bullet, I find it highly doubtful seeing the amount of development time that went into creating him. Aside from that, top point applies.

Modifié par Ottemis, 08 janvier 2012 - 08:08 .


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@Ottemis

Even if what you say is true, the last game features a galaxy-wide war against an horde of giant machines and its minions... had anyone listened to Shepard and prepared somehow, maybe, but we know thats not the case.

All your squadmates surviving in such scenario is quite unbelievable ... even if its a game and I prefer something similar to ME2 suicide mission to decide our squad survival, I would understand if some deaths are mandatory... I will be a very sad panda though :crying: 


On a unrelated note: Do we know where in the Galaxy map is Fredom's Progres? or the Lazarus Station or the station we visit rigth after? I assume they are in the same system since we are using the Kodiak to travel.... :?

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Hello Thane thread!!
I've been away for a few days and have PAGES to catch up on, but I'm hoping someone can help. I have 5 PTs on an old 360 and I'm wondering if I can use a USB key to load them to my new 360 and then import into ME2?

On-topic - Ordered my CE today!! And started PT #6 last night (tore myself away from Skyrim) as I was missing my fave drell!!

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Cosmochyck wrote...

Hello Thane thread!!
I've been away for a few days and have PAGES to catch up on, but I'm hoping someone can help. I have 5 PTs on an old 360 and I'm wondering if I can use a USB key to load them to my new 360 and then import into ME2?

On-topic - Ordered my CE today!! And started PT #6 last night (tore myself away from Skyrim) as I was missing my fave drell!!


I think you can use a usb memory to transfer saves but I've never tried it.  I transferred all my ME saves onto my new 360 using the MS transfer cable which I picked up secondhand on amazon.  It worked fine although I did have to redownload one DLC that had corrupted.  I then sold the cable on for the same as I paid for it ;).

I've just got to mop up a few missions plus LotSB and Arrival on a couple of my sheps then I'm done until three comes out.  I'm not going to start a new PT until I know what 3 has in store for us.

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JECWSU wrote...

I'm not sure about Feron. I like him, but I don't think he can replace Thane.

He'll probably be to busy at the Shadow Broker base since Liara is going to be with you most of the time.

Of course he can't replace Thane. No character can replace another. But if you can't have first prize even though you earned it, you at least deserve a consolation prize. And I think his coloring is really nice. I would like to fictionally rock his fictional universe. Really, if they took Thane away from us arbitrarily, it would be the absolute least they could do. (Not that I think they will.)

And hey, as long as they don't go killing off the most-beloved male LI in their entire series, there's still no need to choose. I repeat, with relish, drell sandwich. :D

wasp777 wrote...
                                                      
                                                                       
                                                                       
        The leaked script is incomplete, and there are various versions;
Thane, who is described as being involved in a mission completely
different to what has been revealed in the media already about him.
Makes me wonder how old this stuff is. (Whether these rumors are true or
not is another question.) Either way, that's a sign of incompletion.

That is heartening, to think that we really don't know what they decided in the end. Yeah, I'm hoping they decided to do the smart thing after putting enough thought behind it--meaning, transcend the whole question of Thane dying (too tragic and arbitrary and a waste of a beloved LI) and Thane living without any conflict whatsoever (too sappy-happy-ending; too cheap a deus ex machina to do him justice) and instead went for the beautiful clever compromise of Earn Your Happy Ending.

Ideally, I'd like to see a dual scenario where you have to pull off a tricky mission (much like ME3's suicide mission in terms of, you can either succeed or fail gloriously) to preserve him and the cure, or make a hard decision and sacrifice something in order to do so. And then the result is that you either pull it off and he lives, or you fail and have to watch him die through your agonized tears. I would try the former first, and the latter later on (as I did when I made my heartrending "Shepard dies" playthrough.) It makes the stakes feel more real, and success far more rewarding if you are aware of what happens otherwise, I think.

I don't want Thane to live OR die at face value. I want to have to save him, and I don't want the outcome predetermined. I want to be able to fail. Then if I can save him, I will feel awesome.

wasp777 wrote...

Female Shepard Trailer will be Released Before March 6th, 2012.
According to Bioware employee it will be worth the wait. [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

BUT I WANT IT NAO! :(

Seriously, I wish they'd at least tell us a concrete date. But then maybe they'd have to make it a later date than it needs to be just to be safe. Aieee.... I want to hear Jennifer Hale and I want to see that badass redhead in action and I want to see the first ever trailer NOT featuring ManShep, but a Shep of the gender I've mostly been playing her as throughout the series! I want to be able to show it to my friends and say, "Look, girls play games too, THIS is why!" 

Hurry up, Bioware. Pretty please with, um, ryncol on top? :)

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Woah, woah, woah, woah, woah!

FERON?!

Liara's Feron? Skittlez Feron? Ferron-for-spare-parts Feron?

Why? *chokes* My God, why?


Besides the fact that he's a drell? I mean, it wouldn't work for any
other LI, people would lose their minds if Tali was replaced by a random
quarian, or Miranda by some random human chick (unless she has a hot body)  or Liara with some token Asari.

I was under the impression that drell could get Kepral's from mere overexposure to liquid which could happen on places besides the hanar homeworld, but no, he doesn't have Kepral's at the moment as far as we know. That was more an offhand comment.

Why Feron, who is definitely not just random drell #42? Let me count the ways! 
  • He was pretty dashing and mysterious in the comics.
  • He has very nice coloring and roughly the same tasty visual attributes as Thane.
  • He has a sexy voice. Not as deep as Thane's, but still sexy.
  • Because the only thing better than one drell LI? Has to be TWO drell LI.
  • Because rescuing a guy from torture makes me want to give him the opposite of torture. I'm a sucker for that hurt/comfort vibe and little makes me more fond of a character than him needing my help.
  • And finally, because the idea of a badass female Shepard with an actual much-less-badass-than-her... not quite civilian character, but certainly not in the same line of work, unlike EVERY OTHER romance so far--that appeals to me. He could understand her world, but his strengths are in other areas, not in kicking yahg butt. It's a refreshing change.
As for Feron being Liara's, though something could develop there, nothing exists right now. That much is clear when you ask the two of them about it, and they knew each other for like 2 days in the comics, so they're not exactly deeply connected longtime friends. And furthermore, Liara is not Feron's. She belongs to my Ryla (and a host of other Shepards). She and Feron are not exactly epically destined for each other; if anything, I expect they will happen if nothing else does. That doesn't mean Feron won't be on the menu at all. They've said there will be non-squadmate LIs, and nothing says he can't be one.

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My FemShep who will romance Thane wouldn't want to
move on with someone else so quickly anyway. Eventually, sure. I think
Thane would want that for her. But it would have to be a few years, at
least.

I'm not sure; you could make the case that in a universe where people can die so abruptly and so many have, moving on becomes a bit easier. Especially when Shepard and Thane haven't had very long with one another anyway. But it really depends on the individual character.

My Shepard who romanced Thane... she moved on pretty fast after Kaidan, as if a door had slammed. She felt something strong for Thane, but I didn't feel like she had the chance to really get to know him. She's mostly going on instinct; there's just something about him that made her feel like this was a person who got her, whereas Kaidan vastly misunderstood her. I don't think she'd move on easily, and it would take time--far more if he died, just as you were saying.

But another playthrough, with another character who mostly felt sympathy and fear of death? I could imagine a different character from my current Thane-mancer who would move on (and I would make one, since Thane is still the best ME2 LI in my opinion--I keep choosing him and have still never gone for Jacob; Garrus only once.) I would dislike her a bit for doing so, but making characters who aren't like me is part of the fun of roleplay. I'll take as many options as they'll give us.

Hmm, that includes the idea of playing the field... not sure how that will work but when I figure it out, I will play me a lady version of Casanova, in space! ;) Mission: Save the galaxy and leave a trail of broken hearts behind her!

zonders wrote...

So I just finished my Thane LI playthrough, and managed to read the letter he writes you in the Shadow Broker's lair.
Wow.
I've never actually been so affected by a love story in a videogame
before. That letter sealed the deal for me. I hope Thane gets a suitably
fantastic role in ME3. Just wow.

*peeks at the wiki for a refresher* Ah, yes... I'd almost forgotten what a heart-melter that was. Dammit. :crying:

Okay, I'm losing my resolve to play that heartbreaker Shep. Damn, if that's how they're going to write him in ME3, then I don't know how I'm gonna bring myself to not romance him on my subsequent playthroughs!

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Thanks for the positivity guys. I wasn't
aiming my previous comment at anyone in particular. It is just that I
realised that ME3 is only 2 months away now, and I am very excited for
it! And I can't wait to see Thane (especially in that sandwich that
Wynne mentioned... [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/devil.png[/smilie]

Now, that's what I'm talking about! :lol:

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Cosmochyck wrote...

Hello Thane thread!!
I've been away for a few days and have PAGES to catch up on, but I'm hoping someone can help. I have 5 PTs on an old 360 and I'm wondering if I can use a USB key to load them to my new 360 and then import into ME2?

On-topic - Ordered my CE today!! And started PT #6 last night (tore myself away from Skyrim) as I was missing my fave drell!!

Yes, You can use USB key.
And BTW I ordered CE version of gameImage IPB

Ottemis wrote...
As to rumors of Thane biting the bullet, I find it highly doubtful seeing the amount of development time that went into creating him. Aside from that, top point applies.

It's not as simple as You think

Modifié par RGC_Ines, 08 janvier 2012 - 09:59 .