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[Wynne]

Asenza wrote...

And it STILL wouldn't be fair to Thane or Jack fans (and doubly cruel to me, seeing as I love both characters alarmingly dearly) because the other five or so LI's would still get their sail-off-into-the-sunset ending.

I'm right with you, there. :/ If the most popular characters are the only ones safe from death, it would be seriously lame. Although, I really think Thane and Jack are both very popular, since they're freaking awesome. They really shouldn't be arbitrarily killed off.

wasp777 wrote...
                                                                    
  Mass Effect 3 to follow "over 1000" story variations. 
                                                                       
  Casey Hudson: "Numerically, it's over 1000 variables that
we'll have access to for shaping the Mass Effect 3 experience for people
who've played the previous games. While the primary storyline remains
relatively static, decisions players make in the first and second games
will combine and branch out into various ways to once again create a
unique experience for individual players in Mass Effect 3. Players of
Mass Effect 2 will no doubt be especially curious to discover how their
big decision and the loss of certain crew members during the final
sequence will impact their experience in the third game, along with
various romances and relationships."                                    
                                                                       
  I think that Thane's life in your hands. I'm sure that would also feature bonus dialogue if you romanced him.

WHOA. That along with the cutscene and dialogue stuff you posted seems like fantastic news! Thank you for this.

abnocte wrote...

All your
squadmates surviving in such scenario is quite unbelievable ... even if
its a game and I prefer something similar to ME2 suicide mission to
decide our squad survival, I would understand if some deaths are
mandatory... I will be a very sad panda though [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/crying.png[/smilie]

Same here. :/ But I'd rather it be random, truly random, or based on some sort of measure of their skill + randomness, than be mandatory. THAT to me would feel like a war with desperate stakes, not "Tali doesn't die because she's wearing her popularity shield and her the-fanboys-would-kill-us armor." So I hope if it's done, it's more like the suicide mission, only much harder, where you have to make the truly optimal decisions in order to have it all work out.

RGC_Ines wrote...

 In my opinion in ME2 Kaidan/Ash needs
DLC badly to stabilize theirs relationship with Shepard, as we could do
this with Liara in LotSB, but we never had it. I know, that the reason
is probably that BioWare needs "cheaters" to add some drama to ME3, but
after spoilers I see it  failed too..

 That is pretty scary, as you and I have always had very similar tastes in the past... but I have to keep my faith that the team will have realized that need between the earlier drafts and the way it is now. I still remember Casey's words on Jan. 5th: "No time to tweet except this: The team is putting in a heroic effort, and it shows. #MassEffect3 is turning out better than I ever imagined."

If it's not so that they've fleshed out the VS relationship since then... then yeah, Kaidan won't be getting romanced except as an experiment if I ever feel like it. Damn, that's depressing. I wanted to feel the tension of a love triangle. That sure won't happen if Thane is as gentle and mature as before while Kaidan acts like he did on Horizon. If he did, I wouldn't want him on my ship, either.

I was very interested in being understanding and at least mending the friendship, but that's entirely contingent upon him not returning to the ME2 attitude of "I'm suddenly a douche who won't listen to you."

Modifié par Wynne, 08 janvier 2012 - 10:19 .

[RGC_Ines]

Wynne wrote

If it's not so that they've fleshed out the VS relationship since then... then yeah, Kaidan won't be getting romanced except as an experiment if I ever feel like it. Damn, that's depressing. I wanted to feel the tension of a love triangle. That sure won't happen if Thane is as gentle and mature as before while Kaidan acts like he did on Horizon. If he did, I wouldn't want him on my ship, either.

I was very interested in being understanding and at least mending the friendship, but that's entirely contingent upon him not returning to the ME2 attitude of "I'm suddenly a douche who won't listen to you."

Hmmm...hard to explain without spoiler....If we are talking about  romances I have nothing against BioWare job with VS I saw so far ( as usually a few dialogs in BioWare standarts plus some hot action), but I really can't accept Kaidan's behaviour at the start of game, and this fact will keep me away from him in ME3 when and most important IF I will play my "loyal" Shepard. About Thane, to be honest I don't regret to be " cheater" in ME2 It was worth no matter if I will get my happy ending or not...

[mythlover20]

What's this? I'm away for a few days sick and there are six pages for me to catch up on? Does everyone wait until I've left to come on line? I'm going to develope issues if this keeps up (kidding! kidding!).

Right, epic response post coming up. Skip to the end if you don't want to read it all. I don't mind.

1. HELLO zonders and coldwetn0se! Pleased to meet you. Hope I see you around a lot!

2. I preordered my CE a couple of months ago. I can't wait to get my hands on it. I'm really excited about it, and getting more excited about it every day. Especially now that I've seen...

3. 1000 variables? 40,000 lines of dialogue? 83 minutes of cutscenes? ALL RIGHT!!!

4.

Wynne wrote...

That is heartening, to think that we really don't know what they decided
in the end. Yeah, I'm hoping they decided to do the smart thing after
putting enough thought behind it--meaning, transcend the whole question
of Thane dying (too tragic and arbitrary and a waste of a beloved LI)
and Thane living without any conflict whatsoever (too
sappy-happy-ending; too cheap a deus ex machina to do him justice) and
instead went for the beautiful clever compromise of Earn Your Happy Ending.

Ideally,
I'd like to see a dual scenario where you have to pull off a tricky
mission (much like ME3's suicide mission in terms of, you can either
succeed or fail gloriously) to preserve him and the cure, or make a hard
decision and sacrifice something in order to do so. And then the result
is that you either pull it off and he lives, or you fail and have to
watch him die through your agonized tears. I would try the former first,
and the latter later on (as I did when I made my heartrending "Shepard
dies" playthrough.) It makes the stakes feel more real, and success far
more rewarding if you are aware of what happens otherwise, I think.

I'm still worried about The Fate of Thane. I don't want his death canon, but like Wynne said, I want to earn my happy ending. I don't want it to be too difficult to achieve, but I want to have to work for it.

5. @abcnote: I have no idea where Freedom's Progress, Lazarus Station, or that other station is. I think someone must have just forgotten. I do want to find out where TIM is though, so I can go disembowel the bastard.

6. Yeah... nah. Not Skittles. Definitely not. He is just not right for my Shepard. Margurite is loyal to those she loves. In my head-canon, it was a few weeks until she received Kaidan's letter, about three months until she recruited Thane, and another couple of months before she started developing romantic feelings for him, which were acknowledged and solidified during his LM. Moving on to another drell just wouldn't fit, not for her.

For me, however, I'll definitely take the Drell Sandwich.

7. I've never really liked Kaidan, but then I'm rushing through ME1 just to find out what the character is like, but to me, at the moment, and this is going to earn me a beating I just know it, he just seems like a slightly more likeable version of Jacob. Though this is probably coloured by the fact that I played ME2 first and absolutely hated him.

THE END OF THIS POST...

And this thread is still depressing. So I'm going to suggest something to try to make Tasha and Mei happy. I've noticed that a few of the other threads do writer's prompts, and I was wondering why we didn't? It would certainly keep us occupied until March, and give us something else to talk about since we have no new info on Thane. I even have a suggestion for a theme, though Tasha and some of the vetran members should choose the first ones. Make each post between 500 and 2000 words long and just run with them. I know we have a lot of writers of various degrees of awesome on this thread.

Or was this suggested some time in the "Long, Long Ago" and rejected? Either way, just a thought.

[Ottemis]

RGC_Ines wrote...

Ottemis wrote...
As to rumors of Thane biting the bullet, I find it highly doubtful seeing the amount of development time that went into creating him. Aside from that, top point applies.

It's not as simple as You think

I don't think it's simple, I'm just naming some of many reason why I think it unlikely Thane specificly would die without option to save him. But if you want to toss another random comment against that statement, be my guest.

[The Sarendoctrinator]

mythlover20 wrote...

Does everyone wait until I've left to come on line?

I've often felt the same way. xD Now here goes the catch-up post.

And this thread is still depressing. So I'm going to suggest something to try to make Tasha and Mei happy. I've noticed that a few of the other threads do writer's prompts, and I was wondering why we didn't? It would certainly keep us occupied until March, and give us something else to talk about since we have no new info on Thane. I even have a suggestion for a theme, though Tasha and some of the vetran members should choose the first ones. Make each post between 500 and 2000 words long and just run with them. I know we have a lot of writers of various degrees of awesome on this thread.

Or was this suggested some time in the "Long, Long Ago" and rejected? Either way, just a thought.

This thread does need some happiness. I don't have time to be writing fanfics (even short ones), but I can make up some dialogues for Thane and my Shepards if anyone wants to see them. They're usually a crazy sort of comedy.

And now, because it would make this post unnecessarily large to quote every one, I'm going to post replies by topic.

Thane's possible death in ME3, and what this means for other characters/romances: I would definitely like to have a choice to save Thane. It would be great for my Natalie Shepard (who romances him) to have a happy ending with him rather than a bittersweet ending. There are many other Shepards of mine who will also be saddened by his (possible) death because he's a good friend of theirs. But if there is no way to save him, they're prepared for it. Thane had already made his peace with it from the moment they met him, and that helps them cope with it too. Natalie knew going into the relationship that it might not last long, and only wanted to make the most of the time they did have together. I guess that's why it doesn't bother me as much. One of the first things Thane said to Shepard was "I'm dying." Normally, when my favorite characters die, I'm not given a warning by the character themself in the scene we're meeting them. Plus, one of the spoiler scenes I've read does so much justice to the friendship Thane has with my MainShep, and was perfectly in-character for her.

I don't believe that every romance has to be equal in the way of characters dying. Each romance is different. Thane was in the final stages of a terrible illness when the romance began. He's also not the only character who can die while Shepard is in a romance with them. It wouldn't make sense to kill off everyone, if only because there wouldn't be much left for squad choices (and if one of the new spoiler squadmates is DLC, it's possible that people who don't have it wouldn't have enough squadmates left for the required two slots). The romance that got the worst end of the deal, in my opinion, is Jacob... if the spoilers I've read were complete and true. But even then, I could see it happening. All of the romances are different. Some happened over three games, some over two, and some can even start and end with the last.

Feron: If he was an option, I'd give him a FemShep who wasn't previously involved with anyone, or one who was and then broke up. Not for my grieving Shep. I do have playthroughs planned with Shepards who moved on with someone else, but they no longer care for the person they broke up with, at least not in a romantic way. It's different for Thane, because Shepard would still love him when he dies. Of course, how long it takes for her to get over it would vary with each Shepard, but for mine... she would wait a few years and just concentrate on saving/rebuilding the world until she's ready to find someone else.

Kaidan: My opinions of Kaidan have progressed like this - (ME1) good friend for Shepard, interesting history and I like some of the opinions he has about things, didn't show enough personality for me, not really interested in his romance, but will play it eventually; (ME2) don't like him at all after Horizon, which will be really hard for him to fix this in the next game, and I honestly don't expect him to; (ME3) wow, his personality just got interesting, and even with the rocky start, I can actually see some of my Shepards forgiving him.

This really surprised me. I thought the majority of my Shepards would want to kill him for sure. I thought it would be hard to make one of my FemSheps stay loyal to him. And now I find that it might actually be possible, not only for the playthrough of his romance to be fun, but for my MainShep to forgive him and try to rebuild their friendship. My MainShep, of all people. She forgives no one, not even for the slightest insult. (Well, except for Saren. He could get away with anything.) This will certainly make my playthroughs more varied and interesting.

Shepard's fate: I used to be worried about this. I'm not anymore.

Also, @wasp: more awesome news! Thanks for posting all this ME3 info. I don't know where everyone finds it, so I pretty much have to rely on the forums.

[JECWSU]

[quote]Wynne wrote...

Of course he can't replace Thane. No character can replace another. But if you can't have first prize even though you earned it, you at least deserve a consolation prize. And I think his coloring is really nice. I would like to fictionally rock his fictional universe. Really, if they took Thane away from us arbitrarily, it would be the absolute least they could do. (Not that I think they will.)

And hey, as long as they don't go killing off the most-beloved male LI in their entire series, there's still no need to choose. I repeat, with relish, drell sandwich.

[quote]




Do you want Feron as an LI or just on her team or both? I like Feron, and would like to see him again. Feron could be fun, but he seems a bit out of Shepards league. At least in the game that's how he seemed to me. I'm not sure about Feron from the comic book. Also if you had him then who would be running the Shadow Broker base since Liara is going to be with you most of the time.

Maybe a drell sandwich in fanfic. I know someone could write that.[/quote]

Modifié par JECWSU, 09 janvier 2012 - 05:24 .

[Purple_Lobster]

Hey guys and girls, I'm new to this thread. (: I signed up just so I could post on this and share some of my Thane love!
From what I've been reading it seems like some of us are extremely distraught about the fact that Thane may die in the upcoming Mass Effect game and I feel the same way. I would feel cheated if Thane gets an anti-climactic death or if he simply isn't in the game for more than 7 minutes but I highly doubt Bioware would do this to us. Surely they must know that Thane has some extreme fan girls ( or just fans ) that think he deserves more than a 4 minute cameo ( like what Kaidan/Ashley got on Horizon.)
I hope that Thane joins Shep for more than a couple of missions but I think we should be thankful that he's even in the game at all. He might have not featured in it and that would have been horrible. I'm just grateful that Thane was in Mass Effect 2 and I got to connect with him. I've never felt so connected to a character and my femshep was most certainly grateful he was in the game .
My vision is that if Thane does die (fingers crossed he doesn't, but if he does) it will be extraordinarily touching and emotional for the female and male shepard/players alike. I won't lie, if Thane does die, I'll probably lock myself up in my room and cry for years! Who else will call my shepard Siha?!
Of course there is the possibility that Thane and my femshep will walk hand in hand into the sunset, to live happily ever after. Sorry Kaidan! What can I say, I have a weakness for aliens with deep sexy voices...
Nevertheless, I'm excited for Mass Effect 3 and I'll have to take a few "sick" days off from school. I love you Thane, you'll always hold a special place in my heart!

[JECWSU]

Welcom to the thread Purple_Lobster

It's great to have another Thane fan.
I know how you feel. Thane is the first character that I've ever been attached to. I'm just hoping not to be disappointed by bioware.

[JECWSU]

sorry double post

Modifié par JECWSU, 09 janvier 2012 - 05:16 .

[Purple_Lobster]

Thank you for the welcome. (:
I completely agree with you. My first playthrough I romanced Thane and totally connected with him and in my second PT, I romanced Garrus but didn't feel the connection I had with Thane. Garrus and Shepard definitely have a connection but I feel it's not the same connection as Thane and Shepard.
Fingers crossed we don't get disapointed! When I heard Thane was coming back in ME3, major fangirl squealing occured.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Welcome aboard, PL! I's always nice to have more supporters.

[Purple_Lobster]

Thank you! I'm glad that there are fellow supporters to talk/discuss with. (:

[JECWSU]

Purple_Lobster wrote...

Thank you for the welcome. (:
I completely agree with you. My first playthrough I romanced Thane and totally connected with him and in my second PT, I romanced Garrus but didn't feel the connection I had with Thane. Garrus and Shepard definitely have a connection but I feel it's not the same connection as Thane and Shepard.
Fingers crossed we don't get disapointed! When I heard Thane was coming back in ME3, major fangirl squealing occured.

I knew I wanted him fo rmy LI when I first saw him. He just seemed so interesting. Then after I spoke to him that was it I was hooked. I do understand. I have one Garrus romance and one loyal Kaidan one, but Thane is my favorite. He is the perfect LI for my Shepards. His romance gave me everything I wanted for my Shepard.

How could anyone not fall for him after being called Siha, and reading his LotSB letter.

[Purple_Lobster]

JECWSU wrote...


I knew I wanted him fo rmy LI when I first saw him. He just seemed so interesting. Then after I spoke to him that was it I was hooked. I do understand. I have one Garrus romance and one loyal Kaidan one, but Thane is my favorite. He is the perfect LI for my Shepards. His romance gave me everything I wanted for my Shepard.

How could anyone not fall for him after being called Siha, and reading his LotSB letter.

Sorry if I stuffed up the quoting thing, I attempted to quote what you said but I haven't quite got the hang of it :/
Anyway, onto more important matters! I agree with you, the first time I saw Thane I was like "Wow.." he was mysterious and had a certain look about him. Thane is definitely my favourite too.
Oh, don't even get me started on his love letter! I can't help but well up every time I read it, his words are just so sweet. The last line "I will wait for you across the sea." (Forgive me if I'm wrong). That line gets me every time. I could just melt every time I read it.

Never mind, the quoting worked! (:

Modifié par Purple_Lobster, 09 janvier 2012 - 05:37 .

[JECWSU]

It took me a little while to figure the quotes out, and sometimes I still mess them up.

You're not the only one. I think everyone of us loves that letter. I think we all felt luck as Thane fans to get it. Especially since Thane was the only one who had anything like that. It's very much like Thane.

That last line get's me too. That and the fact that he tells Shepard he loves her.

[Purple_Lobster]

It is very much like Thane which is one of the many reasons I adore him. I can't recall how many times I've read it. It's still as emotional every time I read it.
Him telling Shepard he loves her is also very touching.
I also find that when Liara says to Shepard, "You're experiencing what an asari goes through with a shorter-lived spouse. It's not about how much time you have but what you do in that time," - emotional and touching. I think I've been over-using the word "touching" (;

[JECWSU]

Yes.
I guess since the asari live so long they go through that often. I couldn't imagine living for the next 400 or 500 years without the person you love.

I've read the letter quite a bit myself. I think he is definitely one of the deepest romances in the game. I hope that continues into ME3. They really worked hard on his character in ME2, and it shows. I really hope we get something close to this in ME3. I try not to worry, but it's hard. March will be hear soon enough and then we will know.

[JECWSU]

Tasha vas Nar Rayya wrote...

Fiery Phoenix wrote...

I've had the CE preordered since July, Ava. When I have it, I'm going to lock my door and forget I have a life.

Same here! Tell everyone I am on holiday, and tell my uni lecturers I have chickenpox or something! Hehe.

As for something a bit more uplifting we can talk about Thane is...

He has given chocolate to Mouse, but has he tried chocolate himself? What chocolate bar would be his favourite?

And we have already reached the conclusion he would like chocolate-coated strawberries

I'm not sure. Thane doesn't seem like the snickers type. Maybe some unusual flavor.

Yes his favorites are chocolate covered strawberries and green tea ice cream. He can't get enough.

[Purple_Lobster]

I couldn't imagine that either, it would be a very difficult thing to do.
Agreed, he is most definitely one of the deepest and meaningful LI's in the game.

I understand, it is hard not to worry especially since Thane made such an impact on me but I suppose I can wait less than two months to see what Bioware has done with him. Part of me is looking forward to it and the other part is extremely nervous.

[JECWSU]

Did you pre-order the game?

[Purple_Lobster]

Nope, not yet. Have you?

[The Sarendoctrinator]

Thane's letter is great. I've read it a few times on the wiki, and it's beautifully written.

Completely forgot about the chocolate question when I was typing my wall-of-text. I didn't really think of Thane as the type who would eat a lot of chocolate/candy, but you never know. The FemShep that I pair him with, on the other hand... big fan of sugar.

Edit: And forgot the pre-order question. Nope, I'll just buy the game on day one like I did with ME2 and DA2.

Modifié par The Sarendoctrinator, 09 janvier 2012 - 06:21 .

[Purple_Lobster]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Thane's letter is great. I've read it a few times on the wiki, and it's beautifully written.

^Agreed!

[JECWSU]

Purple_Lobster wrote...

Nope, not yet. Have you?

Not yet.

[JECWSU]

The Sarendoctrinator wrote...

Thane's letter is great. I've read it a few times on the wiki, and it's beautifully written.

Completely forgot about the chocolate question when I was typing my wall-of-text. I didn't really think of Thane as the type who would eat a lot of chocolate/candy, but you never know. The FemShep that I pair him with, on the other hand... big fan of sugar.

Edit: And forgot the pre-order question. Nope, I'll just buy the game on day one like I did with ME2 and DA2.

It is beautifully written. The writer did an excellent job, with a little help from his girlfriend.

Maybe not a big candy lover, but for some reason I've always had in my head my Shepard giving him ice cream. Specifically green tea.  I think it's becasue that might be green tea in that cup on the table. Some people think it might be hot chocolate.

Modifié par JECWSU, 09 janvier 2012 - 06:35 .